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**** Official Super Bowl XLI: Chicago Bears vs. Indianapolis Colts ****

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Acanthus
All i know is, as a Chicago fan i want to see the Bears draft a new QB to start next year.

Anything is better than Hex Grossman.
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The Bears will be significantly worse next year if they put in a rookie QB from the draft.

The Bears have the 31st pick, you'll be hoping for a diamond in the rough at best.

Griese would be a far better option than a rookie QB. Hell, even Orton would be better than a rookie QB.

Those aren't exactly stellar options. So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.


The Bears will have some more serious issues on offense to take care of than the QB position. Jones is a year older, Benson is injured for an unknown time (and he really hasn't yet shown that he can be a star in the league). The offensive line is getting older and hasn't protected Grossman well all year, or opened up many holes for the running game. The receivers don't make the spectacular catches that the Colts receivers consistantly make, so Manning looks that much better.
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the recivers and running game would be a lot better with a consistant QB. sure Rex has talent but he is widely inconsistant. with being in the legue 4 years now he should know better.

I haved always thought they should have kept Orton in (they did great with him also). I think in the long run Orton is going to be far better then Rex.

but yeah they have a crappy choice for a QB. Rex? at least he was healthy all year. but i wouldnt trust him to throw anything ever. Orton? good but lacks experiance. Griese? good but to damn old.

Draft? hahah yeah. they won't get crap in the draft.

so only thing they can do is trade.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Acanthus
All i know is, as a Chicago fan i want to see the Bears draft a new QB to start next year.

Anything is better than Hex Grossman.
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The Bears will be significantly worse next year if they put in a rookie QB from the draft.

The Bears have the 31st pick, you'll be hoping for a diamond in the rough at best.

Griese would be a far better option than a rookie QB. Hell, even Orton would be better than a rookie QB.

Those aren't exactly stellar options. So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.


The Bears will have some more serious issues on offense to take care of than the QB position. Jones is a year older, Benson is injured for an unknown time (and he really hasn't yet shown that he can be a star in the league). The offensive line is getting older and hasn't protected Grossman well all year, or opened up many holes for the running game. The receivers don't make the spectacular catches that the Colts receivers consistantly make, so Manning looks that much better.
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Colts performance aside, benson and jones are a great combo, they played well all year.

The O-Line could use some work, defensively the Bears are looking great.

As with the last 15 years or so, the Bears need a QB.

I dont care if they have Lovie Smith out there QBing, Grossman belongs playing ball with old people at a nursing home, not in the NFL.

However, i agree that Orton and Griese arent good options either.

The only way the Bears are getting a good offense, is getting rid of Grossman. Maybe the owners will wake up and spend some real money on a QB. I thought trading away Krenzel after his injury was a huge mistake.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Acanthus
All i know is, as a Chicago fan i want to see the Bears draft a new QB to start next year.

Anything is better than Hex Grossman.
Click to expand...
The Bears will be significantly worse next year if they put in a rookie QB from the draft.

The Bears have the 31st pick, you'll be hoping for a diamond in the rough at best.

Griese would be a far better option than a rookie QB. Hell, even Orton would be better than a rookie QB.

Those aren't exactly stellar options. So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.


The Bears will have some more serious issues on offense to take care of than the QB position. Jones is a year older, Benson is injured for an unknown time (and he really hasn't yet shown that he can be a star in the league). The offensive line is getting older and hasn't protected Grossman well all year, or opened up many holes for the running game. The receivers don't make the spectacular catches that the Colts receivers consistantly make, so Manning looks that much better.
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Colts performance aside, benson and jones are a great combo, they played well all year.

The O-Line could use some work, defensively the Bears are looking great.

As with the last 15 years or so, the Bears need a QB.

I dont care if they have Lovie Smith out there QBing, Grossman belongs playing ball with old people at a nursing home, not in the NFL.

However, i agree that Orton and Griese arent good options either.

The only way the Bears are getting a good offense, is getting rid of Grossman. Maybe the owners will wake up and spend some real money on a QB. I thought trading away Krenzel after his injury was a huge mistake.
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I wouldnt knock Orton. I really think he is a better QB then Rex. hell his passer rating i think is even higher.

They made the playoffs wiht Orton last year (wich rex lost for them..). i think lovie made a big mistake sticking with Rex so long. it cost him the superbowl this year. hell it might cost him a big payday also.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Acanthus
All i know is, as a Chicago fan i want to see the Bears draft a new QB to start next year.

Anything is better than Hex Grossman.
Click to expand...
The Bears will be significantly worse next year if they put in a rookie QB from the draft.

The Bears have the 31st pick, you'll be hoping for a diamond in the rough at best.

Griese would be a far better option than a rookie QB. Hell, even Orton would be better than a rookie QB.

Those aren't exactly stellar options. So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.


The Bears will have some more serious issues on offense to take care of than the QB position. Jones is a year older, Benson is injured for an unknown time (and he really hasn't yet shown that he can be a star in the league). The offensive line is getting older and hasn't protected Grossman well all year, or opened up many holes for the running game. The receivers don't make the spectacular catches that the Colts receivers consistantly make, so Manning looks that much better.
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Colts performance aside, benson and jones are a great combo, they played well all year.

The O-Line could use some work, defensively the Bears are looking great.

As with the last 15 years or so, the Bears need a QB.

I dont care if they have Lovie Smith out there QBing, Grossman belongs playing ball with old people at a nursing home, not in the NFL.

However, i agree that Orton and Griese arent good options either.

The only way the Bears are getting a good offense, is getting rid of Grossman. Maybe the owners will wake up and spend some real money on a QB. I thought trading away Krenzel after his injury was a huge mistake.
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I wouldnt knock Orton. I really think he is a better QB then Rex. hell his passer rating i think is even higher.

They made the playoffs wiht Orton last year (wich rex lost for them..). i think lovie made a big mistake sticking with Rex so long. it cost him the superbowl this year. hell it might cost him a big payday also.
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I would agree that Orton is probably the best of the 3, or at least the most consistant.

Sticking with Krenzel wouldve been the best in my opinion. He was amazing in college.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
I would agree that Orton is probably the best of the 3, or at least the most consistant.

Sticking with Krenzel wouldve been the best in my opinion. He was amazing in college.
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Grossman was amazing in college too.

It's a tough decision what to do for next year. But I just look at all the options and cannot see any other quarterback available that can take the Bears to the Super Bowl next year. Orton is an option, but he's still unproven, and even his better games last year, I don't think that would have been good enough to get past the Seahawks or the Saints this year, let along match up to Colts.

I wish Grossman could be given another chance. If he can correct himself in the off-season, it definately makes the Bears the NFC favorites going into the '07 season. But he's probably never going to get the chance to redeem himself.
 
The bottom line, I think, is that the Bears needed the same thing tonight they've needed all season: a QB who simply would not lose the game for them. Their D & ST have been so outstanding this year, a competent QB could've taken them all the way. Grossman is simply the worst QB to ever start a Super Bowl. He has been terrible all year; his flashes of 'brilliance' have only seemed as such because of his abysmal baseline for comparison.

This was easily one of the least-entertaining Super Bowls I've ever watched; not even being in Indianapolis made it more enjoyable. My friends & I weren't extolling the excellence of the Colts, we were simply dumbfounded that such a horrid QB could be playing in the Super Bowl. I'm not sure if I'm happier that Manning, the O-Line, the receivers, and our much maligned D (finally) won their Rings, or if I feel sorrier for the Bears' D, who were absolutely incredible, getting let down again by Grossman.
 
Why does everyone think the Bear's defense was so good this game? Giving up 29 points in horrible conditions isn't anything to get excited over. Sure there were lots of turnovers, but they seemed pretty soft in general. Gave the receivers way too much space and had trouble stopping the run. Yeah the Bear's offence was absolutely atrocious and is what cost them the game, but their defense wasn't that stellar today.
 
Originally posted by: ebeattie
Bears offense (GROSSMAN) killed their chances. Couldnt just stick with the run and march the fvcking ball down the field could we? Noooo....we got to try and get a shaky quarterback his confidence back IN THE FVCKING SUPERBOWL?!?!?!?!?!? WTF! Passing the ball didnt work and the Bears O coordinator didnt do SH!T ABOUT IT. And what the HELL WAS RON RIVERA THINKING? BRINGING A 4 MAN RUSH?!?!?! Did you not read your fvcking scouting reports? You put pressure on Manning he gets REALLY shaky and makes mistakes...... but no.... we stick with the fvcking zone and get shredded underneath, let them run all over us, and basically continue to call that style of defense.

SOMEONE'S HEAD NEEDS TO BE ON A GIANT PLATTER. THE PLAY CALLING IN THAT GAME WAS UNACCEPTABLE ON THE BEARS SIDE OF THE BALL. Im still a Bears fan, but there is no excuse for the poor signal calling and no adjustments being made. Shame on you Bears coaching staff, shame.

Congratulations Colts fans, the Colts won.

EDIT: CBS needs to be banned from carrying any more big NFL games. I have never, EVER felts such a lack of excitement from the booth or presentations. I thought the AFC Champ game was bad, this was worse.

Congratulations CBS, no matter how hard your try, you'll always be that old and boring channel. Hell, even CSI cant save your image. CBS, YOU ARE BORING!
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Put pressure on Manning? Are you kidding me? O-line on the Colts are too good to rely on that now. And if you could put pressure on him, it's not a sure bet anymore. He made tons of great passes balanced on one leg, and his footwork is getting awesome.
It's 2007, stop looking at Manning's performance from years ago.
 
Da bears QB needs too go. I actually felt sorry for da Bears because they were counting on Grossman to pull through but threw lemons into the air. Grossman actually tried to cheer them up in the 4th but the players looked at him as if he was a late night dinner.

Compared to the last 2 or 3 years this had to be the most lop sided super bowl ive seen. The Cults looked like they could of scored 50 points while the Bears couldnt make it past the 50 yard mark.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
Da bears QB needs too go. I actually felt sorry for da Bears because they were counting on Grossman to pull through but threw lemons into the air. Grossman actually tried to cheer them up in the 4th but the players looked at him as if he was a late night dinner.

Compared to the last 2 or 3 years this had to be the most lop sided super bowl ive seen. The Cults looked like they could of scored 50 points while the Bears couldnt make it past the 50 yard mark.
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and just imagine if they didn't get that TD in the first 15 seconds of the game.
 
Well we shouldn't have to worry about the Bears stinking up the Super bowl for another 15 years or so.

Indy's O looked good between the 20 yards lines but couldn't get it done in the Red Zone. A truly dismal Super Bore.
 
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Why does everyone think the Bear's defense was so good this game? Giving up 29 points in horrible conditions isn't anything to get excited over. Sure there were lots of turnovers, but they seemed pretty soft in general. Gave the receivers way too much space and had trouble stopping the run. Yeah the Bear's offence was absolutely atrocious and is what cost them the game, but their defense wasn't that stellar today.
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They only gave up 22.
 
The Bears D played a good game but not a great game. A great game by them was going to be needed by them to pull this out agaisnt the Colts. The Bears O was exactly what was expected with their unreliable QB, except I'd say their running game was shut down not counting that one 50 yard play by Jones. All in all, the D didn't step up big for the biggest game of the year, and the running game got stuffed. No chance for them to compete in the Superbowl.

As for the Colts, Peyton had a good game but not great, but that was all that was needed out of him, just a good game. The much maligned Colts D, and justifiably so, was the difference maker just as they have been all throughout the post-season. Without the Colts D playing lights out all post-season, some other AFC team would be the Superbowl winners right now. In my opinion, maybe Peyton got the MVP in the Superbowl, but the MVP of the entire post-season is the Colts D. What a surprise to everyone who had written them off, including me.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: cubby1223
So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.
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. . . the recivers and running game would be a lot better with a consistant QB.
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Considering the way Jeff Garcia played this year for the Eagles, the Bears could do far worse than giving him a decent two year contract and seeing how far he (along with their D at full strength and the rest of the team) could take them.

Garcia was money this year. The epitome of a polished pro. Not much arm strength but showed he could still throw the long completion when needed, and he simply DID NOT make mistakes . . . plus showed he could still scramble and throw on the run when needed.

I was truly impressed, and there's no way that the Eagles are gonna' get in even a mid-level bidding war with anyone for him.

Plus, I would keep Grossman and stash him out of the limelight. People really tend to forget that he STILL has not had a ton of NFL experience and that, traditionally, it can take quite a while for a QB to mature to that fast, fast NFL level.

Folks, watch Vince Young struggle at QB next year, and then fear my awesome NFL acumen. 😉

 
Originally posted by: daveymark
another junk superbowl

peyton needs to win 2 super bowls if he truly wants to be ranked among the elite
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Here we go. :disgust:

 
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
The bottom line, I think, is that the Bears needed the same thing tonight they've needed all season: a QB who simply would not lose the game for them. Their D & ST have been so outstanding this year, a competent QB could've taken them all the way. Grossman is simply the worst QB to ever start a Super Bowl. He has been terrible all year; his flashes of 'brilliance' have only seemed as such because of his abysmal baseline for comparison.

This was easily one of the least-entertaining Super Bowls I've ever watched; not even being in Indianapolis made it more enjoyable. My friends & I weren't extolling the excellence of the Colts, we were simply dumbfounded that such a horrid QB could be playing in the Super Bowl. I'm not sure if I'm happier that Manning, the O-Line, the receivers, and our much maligned D (finally) won their Rings, or if I feel sorrier for the Bears' D, who were absolutely incredible, getting let down again by Grossman.
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yeap thats the best way to put it. they needed a QB who would not lose the game for them.

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Why does everyone think the Bear's defense was so good this game? Giving up 29 points in horrible conditions isn't anything to get excited over. Sure there were lots of turnovers, but they seemed pretty soft in general. Gave the receivers way too much space and had trouble stopping the run. Yeah the Bear's offence was absolutely atrocious and is what cost them the game, but their defense wasn't that stellar today.
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the defense was pretty good. not great but darn good.

yeah they gave up 29 points. BUT they turned it over what 5 times? and they held manning to ONE TD. that is fricken good. IF the bears had a QB that didnt throw 2 picks (god i swear it was more. maybe it seamed like it) and fumbled twice. who could actually hit the recivers. they would have won.


but it was a good game until the 4th.

i am glad manning won though (though would be happier if the bears won). he is one of the elite. this game should get all the naysayers off his back. the guy is amazing. hopefully the colts trade him and the bears get him!
 
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Feel sorry for that muslim that the people booed at in the beginning of the game
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They weren't booing him, his name is Muhsin Muhammad, and they were chanting/yelling 'Mu....' for him
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I think he was being sarcastic. And he probably understands this. That's how I read it, and chuckled a bit
 
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Grossman maintains his worst QB rating in the NFL for the year, both pre and post season.

The achilles heel of the team did cost them the superbowl, i highly doubt he will be starting next year.
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And with around 1 min left, Indy was basically giving Grossman the short throws while they celebrate on the sidelines... His QB rating would've been worse if he didnt have those completions to pad his stats
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If im not mistaken, his fumbles dont factor into the QB rating either.
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Well the ones where he recovered and got tackled gets counted as sacks...
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i don't think sacs count either. QB rating is also passer rating, I believe. Maybe they do take 2 different values, but it seems to me that they like to focus on passing stats as the major evaluation.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Acanthus
All i know is, as a Chicago fan i want to see the Bears draft a new QB to start next year.

Anything is better than Hex Grossman.
Click to expand...
The Bears will be significantly worse next year if they put in a rookie QB from the draft.

The Bears have the 31st pick, you'll be hoping for a diamond in the rough at best.

Griese would be a far better option than a rookie QB. Hell, even Orton would be better than a rookie QB.

Those aren't exactly stellar options. So it's either that or try to bring in Drew Bledsoe or Jeff Garcia, if you were to make a change.


The Bears will have some more serious issues on offense to take care of than the QB position. Jones is a year older, Benson is injured for an unknown time (and he really hasn't yet shown that he can be a star in the league). The offensive line is getting older and hasn't protected Grossman well all year, or opened up many holes for the running game. The receivers don't make the spectacular catches that the Colts receivers consistantly make, so Manning looks that much better.
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Grossman will get his chance again. Remember; he really is a rookie QB, all things considered. Griese is there to take over if necessary. I doubt the bears will even consider drafting a QB, as they have no reason to.
 
Originally posted by: daveymark
another junk superbowl

peyton needs to win 2 super bowls if he truly wants to be ranked among the elite
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I assume you don't consider Dan Marino among the elite? Even without a Superbowl, Peyton is and would always have been better than Marino.
 
It's almost comical looking back at what made the Colts so good, and the Bears not. Just look at first round draft picks from several years ago, '98 to '03:

Indy takes Peyton Manning, Bears take Cade McNown
Indy takes Edgerrin James, Bears take Curtis Enis
Indy takes Reggie Wayne, Bears take David Terrell
Indy takes Dwight Freeny, Bears take Mark Columbo
Indy takes Dallas Clark, Bears take Michael Haynes

The only plus for the Bears was in 2000 when they took Brian Urlacher & Indy took Rob Morris


That's a huge disparity in talent...


Other than Urlacher in there - I challenge anyone outside of Chicago to even recognize those names.
 
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