I don't know where anyone would get the idea you're insinuating that Moore (and the National Rifle Association) belong in the same group as violent white supremecy groups just because you're lumping Moore (and the National Rifle Association) in the same category along with violent white supremecy groups. What a ludicrous thought!
Originally posted by: tcsenter
I don't know where anyone would get the idea you're insinuating that Moore (and the National Rifle Association) belong in the same group as violent white supremecy groups just because you're lumping Moore (and the National Rifle Association) in the same category along with violent white supremecy groups. What a ludicrous thought!
well they are in the same category, w.r.t. people who stand up for their beliefs regardless of P.C.ness. you can't deny that. i'm just saying it's rediculous to admire the guy for that quality.
The Aryan Nations and the Klu Klux Klan don't "stand-up for their beliefs". That's why they wear hoods and masks to hide their identities. To stand up means to do so in a way that you aren't afraid of everyone knowing who you are. The Aryan Nations and KKK also stand to lose nothing except perhaps their dignity and self-respect. When they stand to lose something, they quickly retreat back into the closet.
And the NRA just happens to be correct in its position, which indeed makes it worthy of respect. Can you surpass the level of stupidity you've displayed here today?
i'll concede on the point of the KKK, but from what i've seen of the aryan nation... they march in public in the face of violent and angry crowds, and do not hide their identies. so lets go respect them.
no, but apparently you can! i said nothing about respecting a group for the correctness of their beliefs, and neither did the guy i originally quoted.
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Standing up for one's beliefs is an admirable virtue. If those beliefs are wrong that's where you're going to have people question you. But, ignoring that aspect, since judgement is subjective of those beliefs, it's definitely a respectable virtue to stand up for your beliefs (even if doing so makes you an unrespectable person - like a KKK member who stands up for their beliefs).
If one has nothing worth standing up for it would indicate to me that that person themself is of limited worth.
well i think we can agree to disagree, i just disdain this P.C. bs of "oh just try your best" type thinking where people are respected for standing up for their beliefs regardless of how ass backwards they are. i mean there's people that adamantly insist they are napoleon, even though the entire world is telling them they're wrong. are we to respect them? i mean just because some people are crazy/stupid and/or stubborn means they get respect for that?
Ok, you win. I understand your perspective.
People who believe nothing is worth taking a stand for, have no strong convictions, and have never taken a risk in their life, aren't in a position to appreciate or understand what is to be respected about those who do, even when you don't agree with them.
I don't think the person to whom you were originally responding meant 'anyone' who stands up for what they believe is worthy of respect, but those who do so in a way that is principled, non-violent, and through legitimate channels of recourse and dissent that are hallmarks of civilized society.
I would think it 'understood' that those who resort to violence, terroristic intimidation, and blind hate (e.g. the KKK) as their preferred means of recourse and advancing their cause contravene by their contemptible beliefs all worthiness of respect.
I still don't understand why the National Rifle Association should be categorized along with the KKK and Aryan Nations as being groups who demonstrate that standing up for one's beliefs doesn't necessarily make it worthy of respect. Perhaps you'd like to explain this rather absurd insinuation at the risk of making an even greater imbecile of yourself?
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oh, you mean to sneak things in you know are illegal in the dead of night. this is the man that claimed his religious object would be of no offense to others while being personally offended by a statue of a long dead greek religion. a statue of the greek goddess of justice he had to walk by each day. such blatant intellectual dishonesty is disgusting.
this man only allowed one media group to come in and film this placement. A film crew from a Florida based televangelism outfit, which later sold the video to raise money for the judge?s defense. Kinda funny again huh?
This is the man that when urging the denial of adoption rights in a civil adoption decision for a lesbian couple said that homosexuality, "violates both natural and revealed law. thus making it a detestable and abominable sin." That?s legal analysis for ya oh judges who are protectors of our constitution, not their religion?.
And he basically said that gay people should be executed. "the state carries with it the power of the sword. that is the power to prohibit physical conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement, and even execution. it must use that power to prevent the subversion of children towards this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle."
bush created 21 grants from an executive slush fund called the compassion capital fund. part of his faith based initiative, or in other words, operation funnel tax payer money to religious institutions. 500 proposals submitted, only 21 funded. 1 worth 500k went to pat Robertson. A man that calls Hindus devil worshippers, Muslims insane, prespaterians representatives of the antichrist. This is where your tax money has gone people thanks to this hack president. a man that surely admires moore.
if you find this refreshing, i'm sure you'd find the local klan rally just as refreshing. gutless mindless wonders.
No religious man/woman should hold office. It just shows he can't tell the difference between fact and fiction. The judge should be ousted from the position for just being an idiot. And what the hell is up with swearing in on the Bible? I'm looking for that to be done away with too.
I guess the judge didn't pray hard enough...OR, the Lord just works in mysterious ways.
This has nothing to do with political correctness, genius. He blatantly and knowingly broke the law (that's why he had to sneak in at night to post that monument) and defied the law when the other federal judges ordered him to take it down. It's that simple. He does have spunk - I'll give that to him, but that doesn't mean his action was something to admire. He stepped on a lot of people's religious freedom and imposed his fundalmentalist views on everyone else (gays for example). I can't say I'm happy with this guy being finally kicked off the bench, because he shouldn't have been on there in the first place.
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