Official Ron Paul "Free At Last 2008" Money Bomb Thread

[Mavtek3100]

Palehorse currently those who are here illegal are not represented at all, that doesn't mean they should vote, but maybe just maybe areas like San Antonio should get more representatives than they are currently allowed because of a their huge influx of non-citizens. I'm not sure why I had to spell that out for you, but do you get it now? Is that outside the box thinking?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Palehorse currently those who are here illegal are not represented at all, that doesn't mean they should vote, but maybe just maybe areas like San Antonio should get more representatives than they are currently allowed because of a their huge influx of non-citizens. I'm not sure why I had to spell that out for you, but do you get it now? Is that outside the box thinking?

"representation" by whom? in what forum? with what powers?

Your statement sounds an awful lot like "voting" to me. After all, there are already thousands upon thousands of lawyers and lobbyists who have taken up their cause - both local and national.

So, before we go further in this discussion, please clarify what exactly what you mean by "representation"?!

 

[Pabster]

So, what was the big total for the "Money Bomb"?

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Palehorse currently those who are here illegal are not represented at all, that doesn't mean they should vote, but maybe just maybe areas like San Antonio should get more representatives than they are currently allowed because of a their huge influx of non-citizens. I'm not sure why I had to spell that out for you, but do you get it now? Is that outside the box thinking?

"representation" by whom? in what forum? with what powers?

Your statement sounds an awful lot like "voting" to me. After all, there are already thousands upon thousands of lawyers and lobbyists who have taken up their cause - both local and national.

So, before we go further in this discussion, please clarify what exactly what you mean by "representation"?!

I was only equating it to the 3/5 that the slaves sort of attained as being more than what Illegals get now. As far as representation I've never really thought about that issue, it is something that should be investigated though.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

If you wanna roll sparky, make your case for why the Fed should be eliminated. I am really looking forward to yet another series of "ZOMG, CPI!" graphs.

Then, after this, how about I convince an admin to sticky your reply up top, as a warning to all RPBs.

This is exactly why you are a clown. First off, like I said, you don't know me, or where I stand on any issue, but you make an ASSumption, and then go off railing about how you have been bitchslapping paulbots, since before I was in diapers, when you clearly have no clue to whom you are speaking. Unless you're in your late fifties, you have hardly been doing anything since I was in diapers, if you are in your late fifties, and still playing internet commando, than you seriously need to rethink your life, as it seems pretty sad and pathetic. So lay out you proof that he is crazy, or link me to your past arguments so I can read them, or don't and post another sad and pathetic tough guy response.

So, in response to LK's challenge to lay out a case for eliminating the Fed, you...uhhh... challenged him back?! 😕

You remind me of a punk little kid on the school bus trying to rile two people up just to watch a fight. You need a fucking life.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

If you wanna roll sparky, make your case for why the Fed should be eliminated. I am really looking forward to yet another series of "ZOMG, CPI!" graphs.

Then, after this, how about I convince an admin to sticky your reply up top, as a warning to all RPBs.

This is exactly why you are a clown. First off, like I said, you don't know me, or where I stand on any issue, but you make an ASSumption, and then go off railing about how you have been bitchslapping paulbots, since before I was in diapers, when you clearly have no clue to whom you are speaking. Unless you're in your late fifties, you have hardly been doing anything since I was in diapers, if you are in your late fifties, and still playing internet commando, than you seriously need to rethink your life, as it seems pretty sad and pathetic. So lay out you proof that he is crazy, or link me to your past arguments so I can read them, or don't and post another sad and pathetic tough guy response.

So, in response to LK's challenge to lay out a case for eliminating the Fed, you...uhhh... challenged him back?! 😕

You remind me of a punk little kid on the school bus trying to rile two people up just to watch a fight. You need a fucking life.

So says the guy who gave up trying to counter me because you can't, much like Lozina. You're only bringing up the analogy because you got your ass kicked once already and there is no fight anymore.

Palehorse is bringing up good points, they just aren't in your favor.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: Pabster
So, what was the big total for the "Money Bomb"?

1.9 million.

From around 25,000 contributors I believe. Keep in mind this one had far less planning and organization than the others. So the total of the 3 large money bombs is right at $12 million in 3 total days from roughly 160,000 contributors. These number are estimates.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Pabster
So, what was the big total for the "Money Bomb"?

1.9 million.

From around 25,000 contributors I believe. Keep in mind this one had far less planning and organization than the others. So the total of the 3 large money bombs is right at $12 million in 3 total days from roughly 160,000 contributors. These number are estimates.

How did you get 160,000? By adding them up? No overlap?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
What you talkin bout Willis? You do realize that this is way to distribute representation based on Census. Those who who were not free or indentured were counted at 3/5 in this census of representation. It did not directly disavow them from voting, it did in fact recognize them as non-citizens. I think this same rule should be applied today for those who are working here illegally, we treat them as slaves surely they should get at least 3/5 representation currently they have none. Indeed the founders were more decent than we are today.

So, 3/5 representation was a good idea because slaves wouldn't have had representation at all without it? Fundamentally this country should be, and was intended to be, founded based on the equality of all men (equality of women came later). My point earlier is that the constitution institutionalized a division among men and tacitly approved slavery, as well as other forms of inequality.

sirjonk - calling me short-sighted isn't going to accomplish anything. You're trying to make a different point than me. The constitution approved and confirmed the existence of an inequality among men - it is not, was not, and never will be a perfect document. To say the Constitution "paved the way for [slavery's] eventual eradication" is completely wrong. The Constitution was a compromise and part of that compromise allowed for slaves who were already in the country to remain slaves. It took an entire civil war to remove slavery from this country. The only thing the Constitution "paved the way for" was the unification of the 13 colonies.

To say that we should bind ourselves blindly to the constitution's word with no consideration for how the world works is complete nonsense. We've used it as a framework within which to think and we should continue to do so. Our country hasn't gotten to Jan 2008 as a federal system via a giant conspiracy. It's arrived here because a federal system has been needed to create the society desired by the people who live here.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Pabster
So, what was the big total for the "Money Bomb"?

1.9 million.

From around 25,000 contributors I believe. Keep in mind this one had far less planning and organization than the others. So the total of the 3 large money bombs is right at $12 million in 3 total days from roughly 160,000 contributors. These number are estimates.

How did you get 160,000? By adding them up? No overlap?

Yes in those 3 Money bombs 160,0000 contributors because the Campaign has gotten contributions from roughly 265,000 different people. It's an estimate of course.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
What you talkin bout Willis? You do realize that this is way to distribute representation based on Census. Those who who were not free or indentured were counted at 3/5 in this census of representation. It did not directly disavow them from voting, it did in fact recognize them as non-citizens. I think this same rule should be applied today for those who are working here illegally, we treat them as slaves surely they should get at least 3/5 representation currently they have none. Indeed the founders were more decent than we are today.

So, 3/5 representation was a good idea because slaves wouldn't have had representation at all without it? Fundamentally this country should be, and was intended to be, founded based on the equality of all men (equality of women came later). My point earlier is that the constitution institutionalized a division among men and tacitly approved slavery, as well as other forms of inequality.

How would have recommended the founders do it differently? Attempt to abolish slavery right after they fought a bloody war with the Brits?



To say that we should bind ourselves blindly to the constitution's word with no consideration for how the world works is complete nonsense. We've used it as a framework within which to think and we should continue to do so. Our country hasn't gotten to Jan 2008 as a federal system via a giant conspiracy. It's arrived here because a federal system has been needed to create the society desired by the people who live here.

Yes I advocate using it as a framework, regarding Civil Liberties.