***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

[blackened23]

Lepton, we all moved from the value argument like a year ago. We know its a poor value 😛 For someone who can get a 300-400$ card for 1080p, should they bother with Titan? Nah.

Some will still buy it. Even though I don't really need it, after news of custom Titans I gotta say I'd love to get a MSI lightning version.

 

[Lepton87]

Lepton, we all moved from the value argument like a year ago. We know its a poor value 😛 For someone who can get a 300-400$ card for 1080p, should they bother with Titan? Nah.

Some will still buy it. Even though I don't really need it, after news of custom Titans I gotta say I'd love to get a MSI lightning version.

That was in response to someone claiming that 1000$ is SO CHEAP. I'd also like a custom Titan, but I prefer ROG cards, IMHO Asus Matrix 7970 is way better then MSI lighting version. Also custom versions can also have some stupid OCing restrictions enforced by NV, all for our good, because they know better what's good for us then we do. They don't want us to fry our 1200$ "investments"

 

[Keysplayr]

Pathetic defense.

Of what?

 

[Lepton87]

Of what?

Of you saying anything to make NV look good, that also make you contradict yourself or make you seem schizophrenic.

. You forget that I don't generally o/c my graphics cards. Once in a blue moon for benching, but very mild.

For 1000 dollars, I think I'd be glad that the manufacturer placed a limit. Knowing me, I'd over do it and fry my thousand dollar investment. A BIOS switch is an intriguing option though. Those that want to risk it, can. But the second you use that switch, warranty is void.

Also

I wonder how many threads there would be right now if Nvidia had not put limits on the Titan. How many "Defective Titan boards coming from AIB's at an astounding rate" threads do you think would be by people who pushed their cards too far? Who knows. But because the safety's are in place, we likely won't and avoid that whole fiasco. Mebbe?

We discussed earlier how that could be prevented with a simple BIOS switch, yet you still keep saying the same thing over and over.

 

[Keysplayr]

Of you saying anything to make NV look good, that also make you contradict yourself or make you seem schizophrenic.




Also
We discussed earlier how that could be prevented with a simple BIOS switch, yet you still keep saying the same thing over and over.

Whatever you just listed there has no contradictions my "friend".
What is it that you're not understanding about my position? That I hardly overclock myself? Or that if I had the choice, I'd go for the BIOS switched offered solution in the event I wanted to o/c beyond the limits? Or that I'm glad that there are limits in place to prevent 1000 dollar investments from frying? Which is it? You are making absolutely no sense saying I'm contradicting myself. Do you even know what a contradiction is? I don't think it means what you think it means, or else you have your very private specific definition of it. Point out EXACTLY where I contradict myself. In detail cause I can't find it because it exists only in your own head. How is that for schizophrenic? Just quit yer trollin.

 

[Lepton87]

Whatever you just listed there has no contradictions my "friend".
What is it that you're not understanding about my position? That I hardly overclock myself? Or that if I had the choice, I'd go for the BIOS switched offered solution in the event I wanted to o/c beyond the limits? Or that I'm glad that there are limits in place to prevent 1000 dollar investments from frying? Which is it? You are making absolutely no sense saying I'm contradicting myself. Do you even know what a contradiction is? I don't think it means what you think it means, or else you have your very private specific definition of it. Point out EXACTLY where I contradict myself. In detail cause I can't find it because it exists only in your own head. How is that for schizophrenic? Just quit yer trollin.

"Knowing me, I'd over do it and fry" then "You forget that I don't generally o/c my graphics cards. Once in a blue moon for benching, but very mild."

You are 100% consistent my apologies. It was all in my head, I forgot to take my meds, it happens from time to time. Pay no mind. Peace.

 

[f1sherman]

Thanks for copy/pasting and linking a post from another forum, posted by someone who joined there today and that was their first post. 😵

Did you just post that there so you could link it here or something ?.... lol 😛

No. I posted that as a curiosity.

Because apparently there is a whole sub-market (CUDA) in which $1000 Titan is practically a steal.

 

[Lepton87]

No. I posted that as a curiosity.

Because apparently there is a whole sub-market (CUDA) in which $1000 Titan is practically a steal.

With its uncut DP performance that's true, probably the reason it's OOS in most places. That goes to show it's not really targeted at gamers, it's a marketing gimmick to be on top of the charts.

 

[Crap Daddy]

No. I posted that as a curiosity.

Because apparently there is a whole sub-market (CUDA) in which $1000 Titan is practically a steal.

Yes. People around here who pretend to be experts on everything forget the fantastic value of this card for professional use. Titan will never get cheaper. It's sold out about everywhere.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It doesn't have Hyper-Q or Dynamic Parallelism like it's K20(x) brothers does it?

I'm also pretty sure it's cut on DP as well, just nowhere near as deeply as past GeForce products.

 

[Keysplayr]

"Knowing me, I'd over do it and fry" then "You forget that I don't generally o/c my graphics cards. Once in a blue moon for benching, but very mild."

You are 100% consistent my apologies. It was all in my head, I forgot to take my meds, it happens from time to time. Pay no mind. Peace.

You dolt. 😀 This, "Knowing me" means I admit my INEPTNESS at overclocking. Which is probably why "I don't generally o/c my graphics cards."
I'm not contradicting anything man. You're just interpreting it the way you want to. Which is out of context anyway.

 

[SirPauly]

It doesn't have Hyper-Q or Dynamic Parallelism like it's K20(x) brothers does it?

I'm also pretty sure it's cut on DP as well, just nowhere near as deeply as past GeForce products.

I'm having trouble understanding the cheaper professional angle -- why would nVidia cannibalize sales of their professional sku's by offering a GeForce sku?

 

[Lonbjerg]

I'm having trouble understanding the cheaper professional angle -- why would nVidia cannibalize sales of their professional sku's by offering a GeForce sku?

It has full DP capabilities like he K20, sorry.

This is a perfect Card for "light" GPGPU...want to do heavy GPGPU...buy a Tesla Card...it's that simple.

 

[Keysplayr]

It benefits them somehow. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at some of these big company board meetings.
See why certain decisions are made and see how it affects their long and short term goals.
Also, in order to truly cannibalize professional sales, there would have to be no difference in software and drivers. Something is there to differentiate consumer and professional applications. Hard to buy a GeForce today and use it as a quadro in a workstation or in a cluster like ORNL Titan without software to support.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Don't you need a workstation card to get licensed software to work?

If I were to guess, it's probably because AMD is shipping fully enabled chips to desktops for low prices. Nvidia doesn't want novice and inspiring poor people to get shut out of real performance enabled CUDA cards and instead switch over to OpenCL and AMD because they're cheap.

So perhaps Titan is a compromise Nvidia didn't want to make, but had to as a strategic move.

100% from left field*

The Titan’s non-gaming features are a bit more complex. GK110 is a supercomputing GPU first and foremost and includes support for features that games can’t take advantage of. The Tesla K20X is capable of spinning off its own work threads (Dynamic Parallelism), allows the CPU to spin off multiple GPU workloads simultaneously (Hyper-Q), includes a Grid Management Unit (GMU) to manage multi-threaded scenarios effectively, and includes new virtualization technology (GPU Direct).



The GTX Titan does not include any of these features — but it runs double-precision floating point operations at full GPU speed, as shown above.

 

[SirPauly]

I get the DP Precision but how robust and flexible is the GeForce Titan in professional use when compared to the professional Sku's?

I can see some buyers looking for very light GPGPU developing but no where near the demand for buyers looking for some very heavy gaming for this GeForce sku!

 

[Lonbjerg]

I get the DP Precision but how robust and flexible is the GeForce Titan in professional use when compared to the professional Sku's?

I can see some buyers looking for very light GPGPU developing but no where near the demand for buyers looking for some very heavy gaming for this GeForce sku!

Depends on your workload, but should be more than enough for the targetgroup...it's only the real heavy GPGPU stuff that Titan will fall behind the K20's...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Distributed computing seems to be hacked off too.

 

[SirPauly]

It is an interesting concept though ----- professional unlimited GK-110 with professional software and support --- professional premiums.

Titan --- named after the world's fastest super-computer -- a reminder to all consumers of nVidia's technology leadership in GPGPU super-computing and their leadership in gaming --- the ultimate Halo product for technology leadership to establish more awareness to everything that is nVidia.

Aimed at the ultra high end for gamers that desire less compromises and for prospective buyers that desire to develop with limited GPGPU abilities and software, while not cannibalizing sales for their professional sku's.

 

[notty22]

CAD programs that are accelerated using cuda, I read greatly benefit from this card. processing ower and massive memory buffer. ECC is not needed for that, just specs alone speed up the workload.
Raytracing

Forum questions on Titan's usage model's.
GTX Titan .... now I'm confused

 

[SirPauly]

Thanks for that!🙂

 

[Vesku]

AFAIK, hasn't been any affirmative announcement of Titan getting the workstation driver features. So far it's gaming and GPGPU (excluding workstation sw that requires workstation certified drivers) only.

 

[notty22]

AFAIK, hasn't been any affirmative announcement of Titan getting the workstation driver features. So far it's gaming and GPGPU (excluding workstation sw that requires workstation certified drivers) only.

Think you are talking about a very specific software section that requires your certification moniker. Many programs, support cuda acceleration.
From Anands launch review.
NVIDIA's GeForce GTX Titan, Part 1: Titan For Gaming, Titan For Compute

Titan For Compute
Titan, as we briefly mentioned before, is not just a consumer graphics card. It is also a compute card and will essentially serve as NVIDIA’s entry-level compute product for both the consumer and pro-sumer markets.
The key enabler for this is that Titan, unlike any consumer GeForce card before it, will feature full FP64 performance, allowing GK110’s FP64 potency to shine through. Previous NVIDIA cards either had very few FP64 CUDA cores (GTX 680) or artificial FP64 performance restrictions (GTX 580), in order to maintain the market segmentation between cheap GeForce cards and more expensive Quadro and Tesla cards. NVIDIA will still be maintaining this segmentation, but in new ways
But most of all, Titan brings with it NVIDIA’s Kepler marquee compute features: HyperQ and Dynamic Parallelism, which allows for a greater number of hardware work queues and for kernels to dispatch other kernels respectively.

 

[Vesku]

Indeed I am Notty22, as that would be the distinction of a true workstation GPU. The gist is will the few high end programs that don't support being run on a 680/690 run on Titan, so far it does not seem as if they will. In other words you aren't buying into the workstation driver section of Nvidia's website when you purchase a Titan, afaik.

 

[notty22]

I'm guessing you are choosing not to read links.

As the link stated, it's filling a new role. I can't say it any better than the review did, if you choose to ignore, to keep pronouncing what you feel is the truth. Carry on. lol