***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

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Dammit, the review for the OriginPC liquid cooled 3-SLI Titan PC is not out yet... :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
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f1sherman said:
Quick someone call the police. We need to get to the bottom of this coverup.

Fastest GPU is perhaps NOT the quietest after all :eek:


113% power target WOOT

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Ahh, so all Kingpin needed is a 113% power target, rather than like 150% or more, while still giving the boost yet another 740MHz!?! That shows how much sub-zero cooling reduced leakage, keeping power consumption low enough for massively increased clocks. I wonder if power leakage is even more of an issue at 28nm than it was at 40nm (which was already so much worse than what it used to be at 90nm)...
 
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3DVagabond said:
I don't think that's it. They could easily build it so that doesn't happen. I think it's more a company direction to not allow it. While I agree that it should reduce RMA's from numpties, I think the main reason is to allow more control over granularity between models.
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Makes sense, man! You hit the nail right on the head, it seems!
 
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^ Team green will be in here shortly to deflect.

Neutering the cards, ... I mean, but, then the marketing materials will start flowing again. :p
 
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BoFox said:
Ahh, so all Kingpin needed is a 113% power target, rather than like 150% or more, while still giving the boost yet another 740MHz!?! That shows how much sub-zero cooling reduced leakage, keeping power consumption low enough for massively increased clocks. I wonder if power leakage is even more of an issue at 28nm than it was at 40nm (which was already so much worse than what it used to be at 90nm)...
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Isn't it hardware modded? So people achieved better performance with GTX590 than 580SLI by soldering some additional power circuitry. Reference GTX680 also needs some additional power circuitry for extreme OC, while 7970 only needs LN2 cooling. Great PCB designs by NV no doubt.
 
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Lepton87 said:
Isn't it hardware modded? So people achieved better performance with GTX590 than 580SLI by soldering some additional power circuitry. Reference GTX680 also needs some additional power circuitry for extreme OC, while 7970 only needs LN2 cooling. Great PCB designs by NV no doubt.
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I showed this pic before. The card was heavily modded.

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blackened23 said:
Oh come on fisherman. You can argue against this but using a kingpin screenshot? You do understand that he had extra VRM's soldered on his card, sub zero temperatures, had it under LN2, and had a custom BIOS provided to him be EVGA? That BIOS is not available to any consumer, and it would be risky even for HWBOT users with LN2.

This is not what a normal card does. You know this. My favorite part of your screenshot is the 0C temperature at 1752mhz, a 100% overclock. Hmm.

You can make an opposing argument and that's great, but don't use kingpin as your example. I'm sure there's a middle ground somewhere, with one exteme being mentioned here and the other extreme being kingpin. You took the argument from one extreme to the other. Kingpin is absolutely not representative of what a normal person does, unless the normal person uses LN2 / sub zero temperatures with a blowtorch every 5 minutes to prevent cold boot bug. Come on.
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But still, wouldn't part of that be achievable with water, as long as the GPU boost didn't have that stupid TDP limit and the card had 2x8pin connectors?
 
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kache said:
But still, wouldn't part of that be achievable with water, as long as the GPU boost didn't have that stupid TDP limit and the card had 2x8pin connectors?
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It would take NV not to skimp on power circuitry, that's not going to happen. 2x8pin would not be enough, the card would need more expensive power circuitry and probably more phases like 8+3. It would make the card as much as 40$ more expensive to produce, given the already razor thin margins NV has on their cards it's not possible. There are some 7970s that all they need for extreme OC is subzero cooling, hell even reference 7970 is good for that. Premium NV product my ass. It's like soldering extra VRMs on my motherboard to achieve extreme OC. I didn't buy the most expensive/the best mobo on the market to deal with that crap.
 
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Grooveriding

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Lepton87 said:
It would take NV not to skimp on power circuitry, that's not going to happen. 2x8pin would not be enough, the card would need more expensive power circuitry and probably more phases like 8+3. It would make the card as much as 40$ more expensive to produce, given the already razor thin margins NV has on their cards it's not possible. There are some 7970s that all they need for extreme OC is subzero cooling, hell even reference 7970 is good for that. Premium NV product my ass. It's like soldering extra VRMs on my motherboard to achieve extreme OC. I didn't buy the most expensive/the best mobo on the market to deal with that crap.
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The margin on Titan is anything but razor slim. There is likely about $800 in markup, most going to nvidia, some to the AIB and some to the retailor.
 
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kache said:
But still, wouldn't part of that be achievable with water, as long as the GPU boost didn't have that stupid TDP limit and the card had 2x8pin connectors?
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You don't need 2x8pin, you just need bios to give more TDP headroom, and possibly (most likely) more voltage headroom.

6+6 can pull gobs more than it's rated for.

Also no way you'd hit those clocks even with an unlocked card with extra hardware, 1700MHz is just too high, 1300-1400 (best case) is more likely what we'd get without voltage and tdp restrictions on water.
 
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f1sherman said:
Cheaper to produce than GTX 580? Riiiight....

Titan's BoM is $350 easy.
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Considering GTX 580/480 was under $200 and Titan is pretty much the same sort of card on 28nm, I seriously doubt a piece of plexiglass and a few shards of metal are adding over $150 to the bill of materials. Of course there could be other costs we're not aware of, neither of us actually know.

$350 is really doubtful though, maybe $250... I think the plan is to make an extra $200 or so on early adopters then drop the price to about $800 or wherever it needs to drop at to keep them selling. Similar to what they did with 8800ultra.
 
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Is Titan production being stopped at 10,000 units, or is this a first run and production will continue depending on market response?
 
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ctsoth said:
Is Titan production being stopped at 10,000 units, or is this a first run and production will continue depending on market response?
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Don't ask me to find it now, but I had read where nVidia said it's not a limited production item and will continue to be sold.
 
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Okay so it was the 570 that was under $200 and the 580 was $200, we can split the difference all day. A piece of plexiglass and some scraps of aluminium is not going to cost $150... :awe:

How is it a negative that needs to be spun that Titan has a $700+ markup on it ? Isn't that great for shareholders that nvidia is going to milk Titan for massive margins until they end up dropping prices after the initial rush wears of ? :D

I mean it's a slap to the face of their customers, but who cares about them!
 
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6GB of 6Gbps DDR5 alone is +$100

NVIDIA hasn’t gone into depth for launch quantities, but they did specifically shoot down the 10,000 card rumor; this won’t be a limited run product and we don’t have any reason at this time to believe this will be much different from the GTX 690’s launch (tight at first, but available and increasingly plentiful).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6760/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-1/2
 
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Grooveriding said:
The margin on Titan is anything but razor slim. There is likely about $800 in markup, most going to nvidia, some to the AIB and some to the retailor.
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I was being ironic, I thought no one could take what I said seriously. It's the most overpriced card, ever. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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kache said:
But still, wouldn't part of that be achievable with water, as long as the GPU boost didn't have that stupid TDP limit and the card had 2x8pin connectors?
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The lack of power delivery has nothing to do with the number of wires going into the card.
 
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