***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

[VulgarDisplay]

What is many sites? What is degraded performance? Have you seen a graph of AMD's turbo boost implementation?

There are also sites that are noting that 3 stacked cards in tri-sli never topped above 79c in continuous testing, which is beneath turbo-throttling.
From a above posted link.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...and-battlefield-3-vs-hd-7970-ghz-edition.aspx


Also from Anand review article : Available in Evga Precision, a user can adjust these settings. Like a user can adjust to +20% in CCC .

Titan still hits a wall at 265 watts. You can adjust your settings, but the card throttles as soon as it hits 265 watts. It runs at what 240watts stock? That is not much headroom at all.

 

[wand3r3r]

I added to my above post above. You can adjust the temperature and TDP target from stock settings. This fear mongering is more of not telling the whole story. If you were to put this card in a SFF pc, it could probably run better than lower tdp cards because of it's advanced monitor/sensor controls.

Allegedly the clocks are 'boosted' while the card is cooler, thus the benchmarks can be skewed. It's taking e.g. 20 minutes to settle to the true clocks that will stay.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34664254&postcount=54

You're not even talking about the same thing. See above.

 

[notty22]

You're not even talking about the same thing. See above.

You are grasping to one reviewers thoughts on what might be happening. I addressed it. See above.

 

[notty22]

Titan still hits a wall at 265 watts. You can adjust your settings, but the card throttles as soon as it hits 265 watts. It runs at what 240watts stock? That is not much headroom at all.

Define hits a wall?

AMD and NVIDIA have gone back and forth in this game over the past year, and as of late NVIDIA has held a very slight edge with the GTX 680. That means Titan has ample opportunity to push well past the 7970GE, besting AMD’s single-GPU contender by 52% at 2560. Even the GTX 680 is left well behind, with Titan clearing it by 48%.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

You are grasping to one reviewers thoughts on what might be happening. I addressed it. See above.

I now see the problem with discussing overclocked benchmarks compared to a stock card.

Yes you can overclock Titan, but all the benchmarks comparing stock Titan to stock gtx680's and 7970ghz editions can easily be higher than real world performance if the reviewer doesn't get the card hot before running a benchmark.

Also, what I said stands. The firmware of the card throttles at 265w regardless of how hot the card is running and how you adjust it's temperature thresholds.

 

[wand3r3r]

You are grasping to one reviewers thoughts on what might be happening. I addressed it. See above.

More investigation is welcome, I'm not grasping at anything. I'm merely pointing out that what was said above about titans performance benchmarks potentially being skewed was referring to the info shown in the link.

At least I'm not making stuff up, you're the one grasping at defending it like this couldn't exist.

And the 265w is a wall, read a review it's already been posted many times probably in this thread.

 

[Skurge]

I added to my above post above. You can adjust the temperature and TDP target from stock settings. This fear mongering is more of not telling the whole story. If you were to put this card in a SFF pc, it could probably run better than lower tdp cards because of it's advanced monitor/sensor controls.

Thanks, I didn't realise you could change the target temps like powertune for AMD (but gpu turbo for AMD is as well designed as nvidia's). I'm not sure what you mean by runs better.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Define hits a wall?

First and foremost, Titan still has a hard TDP limit, just like GTX 680 cards. Titan cannot and will not cross this limit, as it’s built into the firmware of the card and essentially enforced by NVIDIA through their agreements with their partners. This TDP limit is 106% of Titan’s base TDP of 250W, or 265W. No matter what you throw at Titan or how you cool it, it will not let itself pull more than 265W sustained.

From anandtech's review. The card will not draw more than 265watts. I believe reviews said at stock it draws around 240watts. Doesn't leave much room for overclocking.

 

[notty22]

Thanks, I didn't realise you could change the target temps like powertune for AMD (but gpu turbo for AMD is as well designed as nvidia's). I'm not sure what you mean by runs better.

AMD has mentioned they are updating to a more elegant turbo-boost, like Nvidia's. We have people trying to turn a positive feature in to a negative.

A hot card instantly starts becoming less efficient. So if you have system in place that both keeps temps in check by tdp and vice verse, that is GOOD. What used to happen is heat/power cascading up without these things in place. The old fashioned fan curve could not keep this process in check. These new systems do.

 

[Skurge]

AMD has mentioned they are updating to a more elegant turbo-boost, like Nvidia's. We have people trying to turn a positive feature in to a negative.

A hot card instantly starts becoming less efficient. So if you have system in place that both keeps temps in check by tdp and vice verse, that is GOOD. What used to happen is heat/power cascading up without these things in place. The old fashioned fan curve could not keep this process in check. These new systems do.

Sorry, I meant to not as well designed as nvidia's

 

[wand3r3r]

AMD has mentioned they are updating to a more elegant turbo-boost, like Nvidia's. We have people trying to turn a positive feature in to a negative.

A hot card instantly starts becoming less efficient. So if you have system in place that both keeps temps in check by tdp and vice verse, that is GOOD. What used to happen is heat/power cascading up without these things in place. The old fashioned fan curve could not keep this process in check. These new systems do.

Is that what your marketing handbook tells you?

Taking away overvolting/overclocking capabilities and that's what you spin it into? Right, I guess that is "good". (If you could truly control every aspect, why not but being they neuter the overclocking abilities via power usage it's pathetic)

The feature is in question for potentially offering more performance until the card hits normal operating temperatures, whereupon it's allegedly dropping performance/clock speeds. They are not hitting extreme highs, just normal operating temperatures. Let's just pretend this skewing of result can't exist and continue deflecting.

 

[Firestorm007]

Is that what your marketing handbook tells you?

Taking away overvolting/overclocking capabilities and that's what you spin it into? Right, I guess that is "good". (If you could truly control every aspect, why not but being they neuter the overclocking abilities via power usage it's pathetic)

The feature is in question for potentially offering more performance until the card hits normal operating temperatures, whereupon it's allegedly dropping performance/clock speeds. They are not hitting extreme highs, just normal operating temperatures. Let's just pretend this skewing of result can't exist and continue deflecting.

:thumbsup:

 

[Firestorm007]

Spot on! Sorry double post!

 

[3DVagabond]

Don't you have some microstutter to deny?

how do you interpret what I said as denial?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Alrite, here's what microstuttering looks like (from HardwareCanucks ):

With SOLID blue all over the place. It's purely up and down with each and every frame, like as if every other frame is almost ("basically") skipped with GTX 690.

Possible texture trashing, 1600p doesn't look like that.



Also can we stop putting so much emphasis on Price/Performance on $450+ cards? You guys act like people who generally care about Price/Performance are buying 7970/680 products in the first place. They aren't they're buying 7850s and 660's, these cards we're comparing were never price/performance sector cards in the first place.

 

[notty22]

Is that what your marketing handbook tells you?

Taking away overvolting/overclocking capabilities and that's what you spin it into? Right, I guess that is "good". (If you could truly control every aspect, why not but being they neuter the overclocking abilities via power usage it's pathetic)

The feature is in question for potentially offering more performance until the card hits normal operating temperatures, whereupon it's allegedly dropping performance/clock speeds. They are not hitting extreme highs, just normal operating temperatures. Let's just pretend this skewing of result can't exist and continue deflecting.

More fud dropping. Name calling, handbook, Nvidiot, green wall every other post is like this from you. You can't make a logical argument, so you play internet tough guy. Fail.

 

[3DVagabond]

Possible texture trashing, 1600p doesn't look like that.



Also can we stop putting so much emphasis on Price/Performance on $450+ cards? You guys act like people who generally care about Price/Performance are buying 7970/680 products in the first place. They aren't they're buying 7850s and 660's, these cards we're comparing were never price/performance sector cards in the first place.

I think you're wrong. Most people at all price points care about perf/$.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I think you've found the one and only area AMD can steak a claim and have gone overboard on it.

Nobody spends $500 on a 7970 because they care about price/performance, they were buying them because they were the best single card performance on the market for ~6 months.

To say otherwise is disingenuous, the fact is that every card in the current stack below the 7970 GHz offers a better price/performance ratio than the 7970. To say the 7970 is now a good price/performance solution because there is another card offering worse is an oxymoron.

7970 = Bad Price/Performance
Titan = Worse Price/Performance

Anyone who cares about Price/Performance would get neither.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think you've found the one and only area AMD can steak a claim and have gone overboard on it.

Nobody spends $500 on a 7970 because they care about price/performance, they were buying them because they were the best single card performance on the market for ~6 months.

To say otherwise is disingenuous, the fact is that every card in the current stack below the 7970 GHz offers a better price/performance ratio than the 7970. To say the 7970 is now a good price/performance solution because there is another card offering worse is an oxymoron.

7970 = Bad Price/Performance
Titan = Worse Price/Performance

Anyone who cares about Price/Performance would get neither.

So you are saying that while the 7970 was the best performing card people would have paid $1000 for it? They wouldn't have thought the perf/$ sucked and bought the 680 instead? /rhetorical question.

Many people seem to feel that $700 would be a reasonable price for it's performance and features. Considering it's a 6gig card, that's probably about right.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No of course not, it's AMD and the performance increase over the 580 wouldn't have gone over at that price point.

If someone says "I have $1000 to get the best performance I can" Their options are Titan, CF, or SLI. The latter two are lesser options, so that leaves Titan.

Whatever people "feel" it doesn't matter, there are clearly people willing to spent $1k+ on graphics cards, that's the market Nvidia wanted.

Personally I would have liked to have seen $650-600 with another model with a plastic cooler and 3GB of ram for $500, and then another model with 2.5 GB, a cut bus and 1 less SMX for $370... But clearly Nvidia doesn't care what I "want".

 

[f1sherman]

Many people seem to feel that $700 would be a reasonable price for it's performance and features. Considering it's a 6gig card, that's probably about right.

GTX 680 - twice the price of GTX 660 for 45% perf. increase.
Titan - twice the price of 680 for 40% perf. increase.

Not so bad price/perf anymore, right?

However, if like TechReport you believe that latency-focused 99th-percentile frame time metric is the best measure of overall gaming performance,
then Titan offers identical price/perf like 7970CF!

Now toss in Nvidia + GK110 goodies, all the hassle with CF, and it looks like Nvidia is the one getting robbed 😱

Hard-coded 265 TDP ceiling? I guess we'll know about that soon enough

 

[Grooveriding]

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Some of the most asinine spinning I have seen yet.

 

[blackened23]

Now toss in Nvidia + GK110 goodies, all the hassle with CF, and it looks like Nvidia is the one getting robbed 😱

Uh, Titan is a great card with undeniably terrible value, after reading this I don't even know what to say. Utter disbelief.

I guess nvidia is doing us all a favor by giving us Titan at 1000$ 😱

 

[f1sherman]

LOL that was a hyperbole ofc.,

but Titan is not such a terrible price/perf value that people are making it to be, and for Halo product that is pretty amazing.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Not to mention it's the only high end chip on the market today ^_^