***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

[VulgarDisplay]

GPU performance wise they'd be around the 690, but the frame buffer is holding them back at this point. Plus we're talking about overclocked 900+w vs 250, tech moves fast, they were fun while it lasted though.



Not even close.

I'm 100% serious. There were a bunch of benchmarks showing the gtx4xx/gtx5xx serious have far worse frame latency issues that Tahiti. Someone else can find them because I have to go to work now.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Just 1? Wouldn't that be a downgrade?

It would be when not framebuffer limited, but I'd rather have a new toy. I already sold my i5-2500k rig with tri sli, and my i3-540 bottlenecks even one overclocked card so I'm just using one.

This generation has been terrible for me, but I made my bed so now it's time to get Haswell and sleep in it. ^_^

I'm 100% serious. There were a bunch of benchmarks showing the gtx4xx/gtx5xx serious have far worse frame latency issues that Tahiti. Someone else can find them because I have to go to work now.

I do my own testing, I'm good

 

[SirPauly]

Single GPU crown is worthless if noone can buy it (almost noone). Also, most people who can buy it probably won't. If I sold my 670's and stretched a little, I could buy them, but no way would I do it. The reason is because they are overpriced. Why does that matter? Because they don't hold their value. Very soon, new cards will be faster, or nearly as fast and will cost $4-500. Thats always the case with GPUs, but its NOT always the case that you lose so much money in depreciation.
Titan is a luxury product for the next 12 months (if that). After that, it becomes a $1000 mid range card.

The Titan sku is a halo product to me to showcase their gaming technology prowess and remind everyone about their super computing, GPU processing technology prowess and offer more choice. To bring in more revenue and improve margins while not cannibalizing their other price-points, including SLi. They probably don't care if a gamer buys a Titan or GTX 690 or GTX 660ti Tri Sli -- as long as it is nVidia.

Always have said this: When nVidia did see the performance of the HD 7970 and its price point -- nVidia was dancing in the halls of Santa Clara!

 

[RussianSensation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1dN4aN6vS0

Linus should have scrapped the Ares II and instead of it tested 2 HD7970 Platinum Matrix cards. It would have rapped everything for $1000 and at 1300mhz on both 7970s it would have been blazing. What I don't get about the Titan is in the most demanding games like Crysis, Metro 2033, Witcher 2, and some of those compute games of 2012 it doesn't beat the 7970Ge by even 30%.

In other games it even loses to a GTX660Ti SLI.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Why do people keep inisting on treating this GPU like it's GK114? ^^

 

[Grooveriding]

Linus should have scrapped the Ares II and instead of it tested 2 HD7970 Platinum Matrix cards. It would have rapped everything for $1000 and at 1300mhz on both 7970s it would have been blazing. What I don't get about the Titan is in the most demanding games like Crysis, Metro 2033, Witcher 2, and some of those compute games of 2012 it barely outperforms the 7970.

I was surprised by Linus' conclusions. He's very partial to nvidia and will say as much, but even he is calling it disappointing and went so far as to say 660ti SLI is a better choice. :ninja:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Linus should have scrapped the Ares II and instead of it tested 2 HD7970 Platinum Matrix cards. It would have rapped everything for $1000 and at 1300mhz on both 7970s it would have been blazing. What I don't get about the Titan is in the most demanding games like Crysis, Metro 2033, Witcher 2, and some of those compute games of 2012 it doesn't beat the 7970Ge by even 30%.

In other games it even loses to a GTX660Ti SLI.

So the moral of the story here is that 660Ti SLI was always a much better deal than the 7970GHz?

 

[f1sherman]

2 TFLOPS of DP out of a single Titan WOOT

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Gefor...orce-GTX-Titan-mit-ueber-2-TFLOPS-DP-1056533/

 

[RussianSensation]

I was surprised by Linus' conclusions. He's very partial to nvidia and will say as much, but even he is calling it disappointing and went so far as to say 660ti SLI is a better choice. :ninja:

I just tend to think it's extremely disappointing that the Titan's performance advantage over the 7970GE shrinks in the most demanding games like Metro 2033, Crysis, Witcher 2, Sleeping Dogs with highAA, etc. But if it can't improve performance a lot in the most demanding games, what's the point? Look at Witcher 2 with UberSampling for example. You are paying $1000 for 7.1 fps more than a $400 HD7970. For real?

Just when you thought that you could increase AA IQ in Witcher 2 with a $1000 card, you still can't do it.

 

[blastingcap]

I agree, about the only people who would defend this level of thievery would be nvidia shareholders clinging to a wild hope that enough people will buy this massively overpriced and under-delivering per said massive price, video card.

What would be cool is if everyone else disclosed their interests on here, but luckily we can view people's post histories to see which way they slant.

This has me laughing at Anandtech's review hysterically. Titan stands alone in the compute benchmarks when the 7970GE isn't included. ROFL.

Yes it's faster than the nvidia cards included, but it looks ridiculously bad for the price when the benchmark includes the 7970GE.

I don't think Titan is intended to be a regular GeForce. Notice how we are not calling this GTX ###. No, it has a name, not just a number. It's not DP-crippled. It supports CUDA. AMD compute potential is good, but the compute ecosystem w/r/t GPUs is heavily in favor of NV. Even in consumer applications like Adobe software, NV GPU acceleration was working well before AMD GPU acceleration.

From a GeForce perspective Titan seems overpriced even for a halo card, but from a pro card (Quadro/Tesla) perspective, Titan is potentially a bargain for small-scale labs that need DP.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Look at that performance per watt, where is that power hungry "Fermi" 7970 GHz card in the graph?

 

[Vesku]

660Ti ~ $580
7970GHz ~ $430

No premium for being a single GPU a bit behind the dual GPU option. Run that through the Titan pricing formula and the 7970GHz should be back at day 1 7970 launch price + 15%.

On the plus side of Titan, it at least goes some way to filling the gap in compute that the switch to a more gaming focused design left in the 680. Perfect card for mixing gaming with trialing K20.

 

[sontin]

Actually, I did:

I agree, so let's see what tests your going to conduct.

Oh, sweet! Let's get to it then!

And yet there is a Battlefield 3 example of his measurings.

 

[Lonbjerg]

2 TFLOPS of DP out of a single Titan WOOT

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Gefor...orce-GTX-Titan-mit-ueber-2-TFLOPS-DP-1056533/

That is hardcore...:biggrin:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

And yet there is a Battlefield 3 example of his measurings.

Isn't Titan 40% faster than the GHz card in BF3, with more overclock headroom?

Oh yeah, and much better perf/watt!

That is hardcore...:biggrin:

Amazing!

 

[f1sherman]

they are going to have some sort of live presentation with some Nvidia PR guy here in one hour
http://www.pcper.com/live/

Thanks. It's up NOW!

PS
Tom Peterson is a cool guy

 

[railven]

Understood why AMD did what they did and if there was a blame pie, offered nVidia has a bigger slice based on not offering 28nm competition. Same here, AMD has a bigger slice based on not offering competition for the monolith.

I have plenty of posts that offer this!

Go premiums!

Go Premiums!

Face it guys, these companies are here to make money (what has changed, oh yeah just who released the overpriced "turd" - using that word subjectively.) Halo part, Halo price, and Halo Woof.

Thread is starting to go sour...

 

[badb0y]

Isn't Titan 40% faster than the GHz card in BF3, with more overclock headroom?

Oh yeah, and much better perf/watt!




Amazing!

Yep amazing it is, I am not complaining about that though .

 

[railven]

Actually, what I really want to know - Balla, are you going to buy a Titan?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Actually, what I really want to know - Balla, are you going to buy a Titan?

Costs too much :|

I still have hope for a cut GK110 chip without 2TF of DP for much less than 1k, but time as they say is running out. Almost to a point where I should logically just wait for Maxwell now.

Let's not kid ourselves, Maxwell mid-range is going to be faster than the Titan, and provide much better perf/watt.

 

[f1sherman]

Look at Witcher 2 with UberSampling for example. You are paying $1000 for 7.1 fps more than a $400 HD7970. For real?

Yeah if you think FPS=everything.
According to computerbase.de, single 680 is better than 7970 in Witcher 2

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-17-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/7/

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yeah if you think FPS=everything.
According to computerbase.de, single 680 is better than 7970 in Witcher 2

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-17-grafikkarten-im-vergleich/7/

I don't understand why RS hasn't picked up on frametime charts...

 

[Majcric]

It's not just RS, though he pushes it the hardest, we have several others sailing on the same ship.

 

[f1sherman]

I don't understand why RS hasn't picked up on frametime charts...

It's relatively new technique?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's relatively new technique?

It's been around for awhile, we used to use it for MGPU testing in the past.