***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

[Termie]

HardOCP: http://hardocp.com/article/2013/02/21/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_video_card_review

 

[SPBHM]

they are going to have some sort of live presentation with some Nvidia PR guy here in one hour
http://www.pcper.com/live/

 

[Lonbjerg]

Funny how people whine over something explained on the first page...byt then again...every GPU launch is like this...full of whiners...that never would have gotte nthe card anyways....whine on.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled

Titan will be a luxury product, geared towards a mix of low-end compute customers and ultra-enthusiasts who can justify buying a luxury product to get their hands on a GK110 video card. So in many ways this is a different kind of launch than any other high performance consumer card that has come before it.

I sense both a lot of scared fanboys from the red camp..and a lot of buthurt whiners that cannot afford the card...but would like to be able too...I'm having fun ^^

 

[SirPauly]

TR review is up

http://techreport.com/review/24381/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-reviewed

Thanks and smoothness is just as important when nVida doesn't have the single GPU crown or does have it.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Actually said the same exact thing both times:

No you did not. You said the exact opposite. You raged about AMD's pricing increases for over a year. People pointed out to you that 28nm was more expensive vs previous and a whole host of logical reasons AMD raised prices. Didn't matter, you still could not get past the fact that AMD was charging a premium price for premium performance. People even pointed out that AMD is cash strapped and can't afford to sell their GPUs at bargain basement prices. You still couldn't accept this.

You have done a complete 180 and are strongly defending this ridiculous price point.

On the die size/performance, I don't have any issue with that. There are diminishing returns, CPU bottlenecks etc. the actual performance of Titan I think is really good, especially for its power envelope.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, these look "comparable".

In a what to do vs what not to do sort of compare.

 

[DiogoDX]

Does not surprise me that the same guy who advocates in favor of the blurry mess txaa is defending the price of titan.:whiste:

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, these look "comparable".

In a what to do vs what not to do sort of compare.

You need to remember that AMD will be addressing this with the memory management driver. The DX9 games they addressed no longer look like that.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I think a lot of people have GK110 confused with GK114...

 

[sontin]

The best thing about TITAN? PCPer.com is calling AMD out for cheating with crossfire:

Why the bias?
If you haven't been following our sequence of stories that investigates a completely new testing methodology we are calling "frame rating", then you are really missing out. (Part 1 is here, part 2 is here.) The basic premise of Frame Rating is that the performance metrics that the industry is gathering using FRAPS are inaccurate in many cases and do not properly reflect the real-world gaming experience the user has.
Because of that, we are working on another method that uses high-end dual-link DVI capture equipment to directly record the raw output from the graphics card with an overlay technology that allows us to measure frame rates as they are presented on the screen, not as they are presented to the FRAPS software sub-system. With these tools we can measure average frame rates, frame times and stutter, all in a way that reflects exactly what the viewer sees from the game.
We aren't ready to show our full sets of results yet (soon!) but the problems lie in that AMD's CrossFire technology shows severe performance degradations when viewed under the Frame Rating microscope that do not show up under FRAPS. As such, I decided that it was simply irresponsible of me to present data to readers that I would then immediately refute on the final pages of this review - it would be a waste of time for the reader and people that skip only to the performance graphs wouldn't know our theory on why the results displayed were invalid.
Many other sites will use FRAPS, will use CrossFire, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. They are simply presenting data that they believe to be true based on the tools at their disposal. More data is always better.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ance-Review-and-Frame-Rating-Update/Frame-Rat


Yeah, get out and buy your Crossfire system. In the end you have nothing else than a second useless card in the pc.

 

[AtenRa]

Monster performancethumbsup for a monster price thumbsdown,

next year(?) at 20nm they both(AMD and NV) will raise the prices again :whiste:

 

[wand3r3r]

Funny how people whine over something explained on the first page...byt then again...every GPU launch is like this...full of whiners...that never would have gotte nthe card anyways....whine on.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled



I sense both a lot of scared fanboys from the red camp..and a lot of buthurt whiners that cannot afford the card...but would like to be able too...I'm having fun ^^

 

[Vesku]

GTX280/480/580 all charged way lower premiums for each 1% increase in performance over AMD cards. NV DOUBLED the price premium for each 1% increase in performance the Titan has over HD7970GE that it charged for 480/580 over 5870/6970. Even GTX280's price premium wasn't this bad. If NV maintained $7-8 price premium / 1% increase in performance 480/580 had over $369 5870/6970 cards, the Titan should be about $700 over the $430 1100mhz 7970. NV is charging that much not because of competition but because they tested the market with a nice price level and saw people paying $1000 for a GTX690 for almost a full year. Even if AMD dropped 7970 to $299 tomorrow, NV would keep the Titan at $1000 and justify it as a single-GPU replacement for the 690. NV's brand positioning is now moving closer and closer to Apple in terms of both marketing its products and perception. They essentially took a 550mm2 "real" GTX680, added on some nice metal heatsinks and charged $1K for it. Sure it looks stunning on the outside but underneath it's still a $649 550mm2 GPU.

I agree, $700-800 is more what I'd expect for a card like this. The extra $200-300 is Nvidia leveraging it's brand further than ever. Wondering if Titan is also signalling no expected refreshes until end of this year beginning of next year as a refresh of the 680 much sooner would really sour Titan buyers imo.

*Anyone who had a fit over 7970 launch pricing should be raging right now.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Monster performancethumbsup for a monster price thumbsdown,

next year(?) at 20nm they both(AMD and NV) will raise the prices again :whiste:

Indeed, but at least on the plus side after spending $550-600 dollars in Jan 2012 you won't be having to make an excuse about drivers 14 months later.

Oh yeah, we're workin on it bro :hmm:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

HardOCP: http://hardocp.com/article/2013/02/21/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_video_card_review

Their conclusion is one of the stupidest things I have ever read:

Ultimately, the DIY crowd will determine the value in retail, but we still think it is an appealing video card for enthusiasts and do it yourself builders. It provides some expanded overclocking ability and GPU Boost II technology that GTX 680 does not. If you put two of these video cards in SLI you will have faster than GTX 690 performance and up to 50% better performance compared to GTX 680 SLI. The great part is that all this is done under the same temperature profile as GTX 680 and not much more power required either. If you want the best 2-Way SLI setup, there is no question that GeForce GTX TITAN is superior in gameplay performance. If you want the best single GPU gameplay performance, it is GTX TITAN. I would personally rather run GeForce GTX 2-way SLI TITAN rather than a GeForce GTX 690 in my primary gaming machine. The GeForce GTX TITAN, as cliché as it sounds, is a TITAN among video cards.

Gee, if you put two $1000 graphics cards in your machine, it's faster than a single $1000 graphics card or two $500 cards. My mind is blown. Maybe HardOCP can move on to address the question of why Ferraris seem to go faster than Kias. Because apparently the cost of something is utterly irrelevant in everyone's purchasing decisions.

 

[moonbogg]

Thanks and smoothness is just as important when nVida doesn't have the single GPU crown or does have it.

Single GPU crown is worthless if noone can buy it (almost noone). Also, most people who can buy it probably won't. If I sold my 670's and stretched a little, I could buy them, but no way would I do it. The reason is because they are overpriced. Why does that matter? Because they don't hold their value. Very soon, new cards will be faster, or nearly as fast and will cost $4-500. Thats always the case with GPUs, but its NOT always the case that you lose so much money in depreciation.
Titan is a luxury product for the next 12 months (if that). After that, it becomes a $1000 mid range card.

 

[wand3r3r]

Indeed, but at least on the plus side after spending $550-600 dollars in Jan 2012 you won't be having to make an excuse about drivers 14 months later.

Oh yeah, we're workin on it bro :hmm:

It doesn't appear Titans drivers are in order either, according to the reviews even.

 

[badb0y]

The best thing about TITAN? PCPer.com is calling AMD out for cheating with crossfire:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ance-Review-and-Frame-Rating-Update/Frame-Rat


Yeah, get out and buy your Crossfire system. In the end you have nothing else than a second useless card in the pc.

Yea right before that they write this gem

One question I know will be asked about this review is that in our benchmarks today you will not see results from AMD CrossFire configurations in 2-Way or 3-Way combinations. AMD is only represented by a single Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition card while we are using both the GTX 690 dual-GPU card, GTX 680s in SLI and GTX TITANs in SLI.

At least be consistent, microstutter is microstutter is microstutter. Every multi-GPU configuration suffers from it so it seems kind of stupid to make exclusions like that when you are already including multi-GPU options.

Just ask Lonbjerg, he'll tell you all about microstuttering in Crossfire/SLi.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yup...a lot of people confuse the GK110 with the GK114...sad on tech forum.

 

[SirPauly]

No you did not. You said the exact opposite. You raged about AMD's pricing increases for over a year. People pointed out to you that 28nm was more expensive vs previous and a whole host of logical reasons AMD raised prices. Didn't matter, you still could not get past the fact that AMD was charging a premium price for premium performance. People even pointed out that AMD is cash strapped and can't afford to sell their GPUs at bargain basement prices. You still couldn't accept this.

You have done a complete 180 and are strongly defending this ridiculous price point.

On the die size/performance, I don't have any issue with that. There are diminishing returns, CPU bottlenecks etc. the actual performance of Titan I think is really good, especially for its power envelope.

Understood why AMD did what they did and if there was a blame pie, offered nVidia has a bigger slice based on not offering 28nm competition. Same here, AMD has a bigger slice based on not offering competition for the monolith.

I have plenty of posts that offer this!

Go premiums!

 

[sontin]

Yea right before that they write this gem

At least be consistent, microstutter is microstutter is microstutter. Every multi-GPU configuration suffers from it so it seems kind of stupid to make exclusions like that when you are already including multi-GPU options.

Maybe you should read the part from the link.
It's not only microstuttering. They "boosting" in some way the fps number which fraps and co is displaying.

The result makes speachless.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Understood why AMD did what they did and if there was a blame pie, offered nVidia has a bigger slice based on not offering 28nm competition. Same here, AMD has a bigger slice based on not offering competition for the monolith.

I have plenty of posts that offer this!

Go premiums!

I think most people also forget that the gtx580 3gb was selling for $600 when the 7970 was released.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Don't worry guys, you can always CF for less and get moar cores.

 

[badb0y]

Maybe you should read the part from the link.
It's not only microstuttering. They "boosting" in some way the fps number which fraps and co is displaying.

The result makes speachless.

That's called cheating and it's a pretty big accusation. Can they back that up?

 

[Lonbjerg]

The best thing about TITAN? PCPer.com is calling AMD out for cheating with crossfire:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ance-Review-and-Frame-Rating-Update/Frame-Rat


Yeah, get out and buy your Crossfire system. In the end you have nothing else than a second useless card in the pc.

Oh oh...do you know what you have done now?
Prepare for the red flames...facts about multi GPU and it's downfalls always gets peoples caps to go off