***Official Reviews Thread*** Nvidia Geforce GTX Titan - Launched Feb. 21, 2013

[BallaTheFeared]

Thankfully you guys have cleared it up now so that we can't talk about and consider anything else other than the performance of titan. (puts on nvidiot blinders, go nv)

I'm just glad we got to talk about something other than the price/performance ratio.

That is total pooy, can't debunk that one!


However the PCB angle was a total hoax, give it some time guys I'm sure you can find another talking point besides price/performance.

 

[thilanliyan]

The Titan is better than any single GPU out there at stock so I wouldn't worry about how far it can o/c. Which happens to look pretty decent btw.

I see your point in that it is very much the fastest single GPU, but personally I watercool my GPUs and CPUs so look to OC more than the average person on air does. Not because I HAVE to, but because I WANT to. Voltage locks take the fun out of that though. Hopefully nV does away with them eventually (although I doubt they will in the near future) because part of the fun of this hobby is tweaking IMO.

 

[Lepton87]

I don't know how some people are happy with NV saving 20$ on the PCB for a 1000$ card. Even if the PCB is enough for the power limit the card has, the card shouldn't have a power limit in the first place, at the very least you should be able to turn it off. Really, for such an unprecedented price for a single GPU card ASUS MATRIX's PCB should look like a toy compared to the mighty titan.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Where are people getting the idea that Nvidia saved anything on the PCB?

The card is capped at 265w and is capable of delivering over 300w of power...

 

[thilanliyan]

The card is capped at 265w and is capable of delivering over 300w of power...

Why is it capped at 265w? On a card such as this, the limit should be higher IMO. On a $100 card I wouldn't expect much, but on a $1000 card...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Why is there any limit at all?

I don't know, there is nothing wrong with the card to require the 265w TDP cap though.

More importantly however, is why is the voltage tweaking so small? 36mv? Gotta be a huge joke at Nvidia over the warning it gives!

TDP can be (most likely) increased with a bios flash, I haven't seen anything to increase voltage tables though with GK104... So I think people will get past the 265w cap, but the real question is how far they can go with such a small voltage increase.

Maybe someone will figure out a pencil mod... lulz

 

[Lonbjerg]

Why is there any limit at all?

I don't know, there is nothing wrong with the card to require the 265w TDP cap though.

More importantly however, is why is the voltage tweaking so small? 36mv? Gotta be a huge joke at Nvidia over the warning it gives!

TDP can be (most likely) increased with a bios flash, I haven't seen anything to increase voltage tables though with GK104... So I think people will get past the 265w cap, but the real question is how far they can go with such a small voltage increase.

Maybe someone will figure out a pencil mod... lulz

Dissapation.
It's all about the lifetime of the product.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Some interesting developments with GPU Boost 2.0 - apparently it throttles more than GK104 throttle, has anyone else experienced this? From callsignvega (He's an enthusiast on the level of AdamK) over at hardocp/ocn:





Sounds like over-voltage is once again, gimped on the Titan as it was on the GTX 680.

I bet this is the 265watt wall being hit. Up clocks all day and it will let you, but my understanding from the reviews is that the card will throttle to not draw over 265watts.

 

[Keysplayr]

Is 265 not enough? I mean, are we not seeing people reaching 1100MHz regularly? From 837MHz, that is actually quite a nice O/C don't you guys think? 263MHz isn't bad, and I'm sure some will get a bit lower or a bit higher as well.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Is 265 not enough?

For most people it's well more than enough, for the ultra enthusiast it limits the amount of overclocking that can be done. However even if you removed the TDP limit I don't think you would be able to get much further on overclocking anyway

 

[BallaTheFeared]

For most people it's well more than enough, for the ultra enthusiast it limits the amount of overclocking that can be done. However even if you removed the TDP limit I don't think you would be able to get much further on overclocking anyway

Could get another 10-15% or even more, which is nothing to sneeze at...

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Honestly, the diff btw a titan oc and 7970 at 1150 is the difference between a 6950 stock and 580 stock. In terms of both performance and price perc difference.

What isn't the same is that the prices of both have doubled and cards of then could max out most games of that time which is no longer true.

 

[Lepton87]

Is 265 not enough? I mean, are we not seeing people reaching 1100MHz regularly? From 837MHz, that is actually quite a nice O/C don't you guys think? 263MHz isn't bad, and I'm sure some will get a bit lower or a bit higher as well.

That 837MHz figure is meaningless, the average GPU clock in games is close to 1GHz, I know it's your job to spin everything about nv in a positive light but this is over the top. It DOES NOT OC close to 30%.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/15

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/7/

computerbase.de only achieved 11% performance increase from overclocking nv titan.

And no, 265 is not enough. PERIOD. I want an unrestrained beast, I couldn't care less if it would draw 400W.

 

[Keysplayr]

Honestly, the diff btw a titan oc and 7970 at 1150 is the difference between a 6950 stock and 580 stock. In terms of both performance and price perc difference.

What isn't the same is that the prices of both have doubled and cards of then could max out most games of that time which is no longer true.

Ya meant Dishonestly right? I think you had a typo there.

 

[Keysplayr]

That 837MHz figure is meaningless, the average GPU clock in games is close to 1GHz, I know it's your job to spin everything about nv in a positive light but this is over the top. It DOES NOT OC close to 30%.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/15

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/7/

computerbase.de only achieved 11% performance increase from overclocking nv titan.

And no, 265 is not enough. PERIOD. I want an unrestrained beast, I couldn't care less if it would draw 400W.

You hear that everyone. That 837MHz is meaningless. I wonder if it would mean anything if it was 500MHz or 1500MHz. Yup. This is me wonderin.
And you already have an unrestrained beast in your rig, so I'm not sure why yer complaining about the titan when you have your fulfilment already.

 

[Deltaechoe]

Realistically I think you could get this card close to or even (maybe) slightly beyond 670 SLI performance which still is nothing to scoff at. This card will last people for at least the next 2 years and most likley more like 4 especially if you SLI them

 

[Annisman*]

Realistically I think you could get this card close to or even (maybe) slightly beyond 670 SLI performance which still is nothing to scoff at. This card will last people for at least the next 2 years and most likley more like 4 especially if you SLI them

This is what I aim to find out for us!

 

[Keysplayr]

This is what I aim to find out for us!

I would love to hear what you find. Looking forward to it.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Is 265 not enough? I mean, are we not seeing people reaching 1100MHz regularly? From 837MHz, that is actually quite a nice O/C don't you guys think? 263MHz isn't bad, and I'm sure some will get a bit lower or a bit higher as well.

Yes, people are clocking it to 1100MHz but there are now people reporting that the card regularly downclocks itself from 1100mhz even with it's within it's temperature threshold. It's most likely hitting the 265w wall when heavier workloads are running on the card.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, people are clocking it to 1100MHz but there are now people reporting that the card regularly downclocks itself from 1100mhz even with it's within it's temperature threshold. It's most likely hitting the 265w wall when heavier workloads are running on the card.

But I thought that GPU Boost 2 was temperature oriented instead of power usage oriented. Sure, eventually the 265W wall will be hit, but as far as downclocking? That is related to temps and just editing the fan profile would help that. Or water cooling like many plan on doing.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No it downclocks at a 265w TDP, it's the only way to explain why people are boosting to 1200+ on desktop then dropping down IG... Even with every setting maxed out.

 

[The Alias]

You hear that everyone. That 837MHz is meaningless. I wonder if it would mean anything if it was 500MHz or 1500MHz. Yup. This is me wonderin.
And you already have an unrestrained beast in your rig, so I'm not sure why yer complaining about the titan when you have your fulfilment already.

actually it would be meaningless because the rating specified on the box and evga precision is not indicative of what the actual clocks are .

and now you have a problem with people explaining why they will not be buying a card ? You're so encapsulated in your own little nvidia-world that you fail to see legitimate reasons to and not to buy a video card . Titan by all means is a beast of a chip, but it does not cater to enthusiasts almost at all rather it is controlled by internal algorithms that cannot be tinkered with unless you take risks with your cards

 

[Keysplayr]

No it downclocks at a 265w TDP, it's the only way to explain why people are boosting to 1200+ on desktop then dropping down IG... Even with every setting maxed out.

So even on LN2 this will downclock at 265W.

 

[Lepton87]

You hear that everyone. That 837MHz is meaningless. I wonder if it would mean anything if it was 500MHz or 1500MHz. Yup. This is me wonderin.
And you already have an unrestrained beast in your rig, so I'm not sure why yer complaining about the titan when you have your fulfilment already.

The answer is simple, I don't want to deal with Mgpus. I had to play some of my games on just 1/4 of my hardware, FarCry3 being the notable example. The game did scale with CF but it was very choppy, not MS choppy, choppy like the game was constantly loading something from a very slow HDD even though I had it on an SSD. I want a single card that would beat my current cards in every game and have better price/performance then when I bought them 2 years ago. I don't want to wait for CF profiles, etc. Titan is a big disappointment because it could have been that card, but NV made some choices that restrained that card for enthusiasts, almost akin to Intel releasing multiplier locked CPUs without releasing K series CPUs. NV still can release those K CPUs (custom cards like MSI lighting, ASUS ROG etc and allow them to tweak frequency, voltages and power targets.) I would like the ability to completely disable GPU boost, too. That's probably wishful thinking, GTX690 has been on the market for almost (over?) a year and still custom cards are nowhere to be seen, NV said that GTX Titan will be the same. If the card had been released at 650$ I would have bought it and wouldn't criticize it for those things, but for 1000$ I really expected only the best. I really think that compared to 7970GHz 650$/700$ is a fair price for that card, still worse price/performance but you always pay a premium for the best single GPU card. For all I care they could have castrated that DP performance if they didn't want to offer cheap DP performance.

 

[Zanovar]

The answer is simple, I don't want to deal with Mgpus. I had to play some of my games on just 1/4 of my hardware, FarCry3 being the notable example. The game did scale with CF but it was very choppy, not MS choppy, choppy like the game was constantly loading something from a very slow HDD even though I had it on an SSD. I want a single card that would beat my current cards in every game and have better price/performance then when I bought them 2 years ago. I don't want to wait for CF profiles, etc. Titan is a big disappointment because it could have been that card, but NV made some choices that restrained that card for enthusiasts, almost akin to Intel releasing multiplier locked CPUs without releasing K series CPUs. NV still can release those K CPUs (custom cards like MSI lighting, ASUS ROG etc and allow them to tweak frequency, voltages and power targets.) I would like the ability to completely disable GPU boost, too. That's probably wishful thinking, GTX690 has been on the market for almost (over?) a year and still custom cards are nowhere to be seen, NV said that GTX Titan will be the same. If the card had been released at 650$ I would have bought it and wouldn't criticize it for those things, but for 1000$ I really expected only the best. I really think that compared to 7970GHz 650$/700$ is a fair price for that card, still worse price/performance but you always pay a premium for the best single GPU card. For all I care they could have castrated that DP performance if they didn't want to offer cheap DP performance.

You sir are still waiting for an upgrade,correct me if im wrong single card next time?.next round i guess...