Official promises Trump has walked back thread

[nageov3t]

anyone catch the NY Times interview today?

things Trump flipped on in the interview:

1) There's probably a connection between human activity and climate change.
2) Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted and the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good work.
3) The Alt Right shouldn't be empowered and he disavows them.
4) He really likes Obama.
5) His top pick for DoD head opposes waterboarding.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-new-york-times-meeting-live-tweets

 

[agent00f]

Amen to that!

Still at it? If you ever go to college and learn about the human brain you will understand just how ignorant your comments really are.

Just for the record he goes to college in india and likes to brag about how it's better than MIT. It's likely he's higher caste.

Bolton and the rest will be back while the people in the midwest who voted for Trump, their jobs will still be gone and their sons and daughters will go and die in some neocon war because how else are we going to "get the oil and keep the oil" except by having boots on the ground. Make America great again.

Honestly, after the Republicans got rewarded for obstructing Clinton in 1993 (0 votes on the deficit reduction bill), Obama in 2009 on Obamacare and everything else and the government shutdown in 2013 and refusing do their job and hold hearings in 2016 for the SCotUS all at the same time requiring 60 votes for any legislation and nominee, the Democrats should really do the same. No to everything. The voters will reward them with both Houses of Congress and the Presidency.
Red state Senate Democrats take note. The Republicans will still target you for defeat even if you try to work with them like they did in 2002 and 2004. Get rewarded and reelected by saying NO to everything.

For most of what Trump's been walking back on for now, he's either making himself look more and more like a Democrat or he's reneging on promises to those who believed he was working to dismantle the establishment because he wants to be in charge of the whole shebang and exploit it like he's been exploiting everything he can his whole life.

Now, if he can exploit it in favor of the working class and the poor, hey, who am I to argue. Even he manages to throw a few scraps our way, it's more than we'd ever get if any other Repub establishment type was in his place. If his intentions are to reshape the rigged system to where he gets his and the middle class and the poor gets theirs and the establishment gets bent over and royally reamed like it's been reaming us, well, about frick'in time I'd say.

Apparently though, the big losers here are, as usual and as it will forever be, the middle class and the poor. For the promise of bringing their jobs back and "Making America Great Again" the working class folks who voted for Trump handed their futures (and regrettably everyone else's) to a guy who was, is and will always be a self-centered spoiled brat with visions of grandeur and hell-bent on slapping his name on everything he can get his little hands on. That's what his behavior up to now is pointing to.

But there's still that sliver of hope, that very tiny sparkling light that I can see in the blacked out darkness I'm peering into. I'm hoping the nearer we get to it, the more it looks like a brighter future for us and not the Trump Train looking to take us for a ride.

The rust belt type jobs are going away, but notice trump/bannon is planning to replace them with even more lucrative government subsidies, ie creating a new class of followers beholden to them. If the GOP had any ethnics they'd stick to fiscal conservative principles, but I'm guessing not even republicans are holding their breath for that.

It's actually pretty brilliant in a way: prevent the democrats from doing anything for the middle class, cast liberals as race traitors, then far outdo any liberal policy with the white welfare queen demo when they get in power.

 

[Homerboy]

anyone catch the NY Times interview today?

things Trump flipped on in the interview:

1) There's probably a connection between human activity and climate change.
2) Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted and the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good work.
3) The Alt Right shouldn't be empowered and he disavows them.
4) He really likes Obama.
5) His top pick for DoD head opposes waterboarding.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-new-york-times-meeting-live-tweets

So pretty much a 180 on most things he said during the campaign.
I dunno if that's good or bad. I like those talking points, but don't like that he flip flops.

 

[jackstar7]

Any way the wind blowwwwwwws....

 

[nageov3t]

So pretty much a 180 on most things he said during the campaign.
I dunno if that's good or bad. I like those talking points, but don't like that he flip flops.

it's often been said that Trump tends to reflect the policy ideas of the last person he spoke to.

I wonder if that includes the interviewers themselves.

 

[agent00f]

it's often been said that Trump tends to reflect the policy ideas of the last person he spoke to.

I wonder if that includes the interviewers themselves.

Pretty unfortunate he'll be talking to Steve Bannon a lot.

 

[Pens1566]

anyone catch the NY Times interview today?

things Trump flipped on in the interview:

1) There's probably a connection between human activity and climate change.
2) Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted and the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good work.
3) The Alt Right shouldn't be empowered and he disavows them.
4) He really likes Obama.
5) His top pick for DoD head opposes waterboarding.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-new-york-times-meeting-live-tweets

You left out :
1) Presidents can't have a conflict of interest

 

[nageov3t]

You left out :
1) Presidents can't have a conflict of interest

I mean... he's not wrong.

legally the President is exempt from conflict of interest laws.. it's going to be the media's job to make enough of a stink over it that either,

a) it becomes a political liability and he cuts his business ties to get rid of the headache
b) voters lobby their Congressmen enough that they pass a new law regarding conflicts of interest
or c) he loses the 2020 election

 

[Pens1566]

I mean... he's not wrong.

legally the President is exempt from conflict of interest laws.. it's going to be the media's job to make enough of a stink over it that either,

a) it becomes a political liability and he cuts his business ties to get rid of the headache
b) voters lobby their Congressmen enough that they pass a new law regarding conflicts of interest
or c) he loses the 2020 election

Legally speaking he's correct. Realistically, he's re-phrasing Nixon's "If the president does it, it's not illegal".

 

[hal2kilo]

Any way the wind blowwwwwwws....

Hey that's the title of a FZ song on the Mothers Of Invention, Freak Out album.

 

[bshole]

Hey that's the title of a FZ song on the Mothers Of Invention, Freak Out album.

It is also a line from Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen.

 

[jackstar7]

Hey that's the title of a FZ song on the Mothers Of Invention, Freak Out album.

Also the flentl on Bohemian Rhapsody.


EDIT: JINX!

 

[OrByte]

Based on the latest NY Times interview it looks like we may have elected a democrat anyway

 

[hal2kilo]

Based on the latest NY Times interview it looks like we may have elected a democrat anyway

Well, Bannon wants to spend money like a drunken sailor on infrastructure (can't find link now). I'm OK with that, but we are now in Republican economics frame which means no need to find how to pay for it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hey that's the title of a FZ song on the Mothers Of Invention, Freak Out album.

Me <3 You for that reference

 

[kage69]

So if you care about the First Amendment, or freedom in general, regardless of who you are, when they ask, answer: Muslim.

Damn straight.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well, Bannon wants to spend money like a drunken sailor on infrastructure (can't find link now). I'm OK with that, but we are now in Republican economics frame which means no need to find how to pay for it.

Well, it depends how you define "spend money" on infrastructure. If it's anything like outlined here, I might say thanks but no thanks to the proposed infrastructure "spending".

To understand what’s going on, it may be helpful to start with what we should be doing. The federal government can indeed borrow very cheaply; meanwhile, we really need to spend money on everything from sewage treatment to transit. The indicated course of action, then, is simple: borrow at those low, low rates, and use the funds raised to fix what needs fixing.

But that’s not what the Trump team is proposing. Instead, it’s calling for huge tax credits: billions of dollars in checks written to private companies that invest in approved projects, which they would end up owning. For example, imagine a private consortium building a toll road for $1 billion. Under the Trump plan, the consortium might borrow $800 million while putting up $200 million in equity — but it would get a tax credit of 82 percent of that sum, so that its actual outlays would only be $36 million. And any future revenue from tolls would go to the people who put up that $36 million.

 

[MrSquished]

I will guarantee one promise Trump won't go back on is giving the wealthy a shit-ton of tax breaks

 

[Starbuck1975]

Like it is a huge surprise that Trump would walk back on all his campaign promises. The boogy man under the bed is going to turn out to be just an ill mannered orange dust bunny.

Oh, and this scene from Spaceballs keeps coming to mind:
https://youtu.be/larzCyTk59I

 

[agent00f]

Well, Bannon wants to spend money like a drunken sailor on infrastructure (can't find link now). I'm OK with that, but we are now in Republican economics frame which means no need to find how to pay for it.

Standard fascist/nationalist operating procedure; empty the treasury on loyal supporters to maintain power. Look to the places that will keep him elected.

 

[Commodus]

Like it is a huge surprise that Trump would walk back on all his campaign promises. The boogy man under the bed is going to turn out to be just an ill mannered orange dust bunny.

My problem: if he is an ill-mannered orange dust bunny, it's one that hired a whole bunch of reckless attack dogs to keep him safe. It's like Bush Jr., only worse: whatever moderate stances are present may be undermined by the conservatives pulling the strings.

 

[Starbuck1975]

My problem: if he is an ill-mannered orange dust bunny, it's one that hired a whole bunch of reckless attack dogs to keep him safe. It's like Bush Jr., only worse: whatever moderate stances are present may be undermined by the conservatives pulling the strings.

A fair assessment. He has some major @ssholes interviewing for cabinet positions. He also has a few good people. I am curious to see where the Tulsi Gabbard interview goes. Sanders and Warren are similarly signaling a willingness to work with Trump on some progressive causes.

If what I suspect is true, he is doing what a lot of corporate executives do. Stack his inner circle with people who will naturelly collide with one another, and channel that raw energy into something.

I half expect he is filming Apprentice style at Trump Tower, and that his cabinet selection process will end up on Netflix, called Strangerer Things

 

[JSt0rm]

that there city slicker huckstered them rural folk

 

[Puffnstuff]

I remember when Obama took office and how his administration moved to initiate public works projects to get unemployed and uneducated people back to work ASAP. We'll soon see how a rich man who hasn't given a damn about poor people his entire life does things. The fact that the very people who this man has made a mockery of his entire life voted for him explains why education is so important and how learning to think critically is in short supply in our beloved country.

 

[jackstar7]

that there city slicker huckstered them rural folk

WHAT?

Man, it's totally going to rain any day now.