***OFFICIAL*** Post-viewing Quantum of Solace thread

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: everman
We both left the theater rather confused; the plot, the "big evil organization," water? I guess it was all about water, but why? I don't remember enough details about Vesper in Casino Royale to understand why M "was right." Overall, the story was weak, confusing, lacking much depth.
Action scenes are well done, I see some are complaining about shaky camera syndrome but I never noticed that.
And why kill Fields? She was the best looking girl in the movie.
Oh well, no regrets seeing it, just questions. I guess it may get resolved over the next two movies.

I have no problem with the water issue. If you really want to accept this new Bond, his rawness, his being thrashed around in a more realistic world, there really is no resource more economically devastating to a society than the control of water.

I think it's a GREAT idea, but it was kind of thrown in there, in a way. Water shortage/controlling fresh water is a seriously devastating real world issue (anyone ever been to India?). I think it's great for this flick.

I think QoS was weak in terms of character development, plot focus, and shitty action sequences.

I went to take a piss when the plane sequence began, thinking "well, here comes another unnecessarily long and confusing action sequence that I probably don't need to watch, as the sequence of close and confusing shots will likely do nothing to advance the plot." (i.e, Bond and chick will be in the exact same situation they were in at the end of the sequence.) I came back, and they were still on the plane. Once it ended, yeah, no real progress. They I guess they discovered the water issue.

Not that the issue was revealed to late, just that it seemed like it was a passing plot point. Overshadowed by and not really linked to the Oil issue.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: l0cke
So at the end, when he hands green (or however you spell it) the motor oil can and he is in the middle of the desert, am I the only one who wished that it was windshield washer fluid?

hehe. I actually thought that's what he had handed him until M gave him the debriefing later

I was going to come into this thread after watching it and only post:

"Better Nate than lever"

 

[acheron]

I really liked Casino Royale; probably in my top 3 Bond movies. QOS was not as good, but certainly wasn't terrible. The World Is Not Enough was terrible. QOS was fine.

I could have done without so much of the shaky cam shit too, though.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Quasmo
I can't type out how I feel about this movie. It was that bad. It was a side plot movie. There main plot was used as a guide wire rather than a platform to support the rest of the film. The action was good, but I do agree that it was a bourne identity wannabe film, except those movies have a clear plot. This movie was a sequel which should not be done for a Bond film. If anyone sees this movie without seeing Casino Royale they will have absolutely no idea what is going on. When a movie relies on a previous films plot to try and carry it onto another story, it CANNOT hold up. This movie was clear evidence of that.

Early Connery films had him pursuing Spectre, and that had some continuity.

Yeah, plenty of Bond films draw off of each other. I actually looked at this in the same way that "Diamonds are Forever" is a direct follow up to "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," which is exactly what that was.

Bond begins both seeking revenge for his wife/fiance after her murder at the end of the previous flick. and in both examples, the first of the two was the better film.

Lazenby really got the shaft

I tend to rank it as:

Connery = Craig > Lazenby > (Goldeneye) Brosnan > Dalton >>>>>>>> the rest of the Brosnan flicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dirty pedophile Moore.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: acheron
I really liked Casino Royale; probably in my top 3 Bond movies. QOS was not as good, but certainly wasn't terrible. The World Is Not Enough was terrible. QOS was fine.

I could have done without so much of the shaky cam shit too, though.

I really liked TWinE. well, except for Denise Richards. Take her out of it and it could have been great. She does a lot to ruin it, though. Sophie Marceau was incredible. She was what every Bond girl should be.

So yeah...I basically liked it b/c of her character, and that it was the first Bond flick since On Her Majesty's Secret Service that actually put some character depth into Bond.

 

[acheron]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: acheron
I really liked Casino Royale; probably in my top 3 Bond movies. QOS was not as good, but certainly wasn't terrible. The World Is Not Enough was terrible. QOS was fine.

I could have done without so much of the shaky cam shit too, though.

I really liked TWinE. well, except for Denise Richards. Take her out of it and it could have been great. She does a lot to ruin it, though. Sophie Marceau was incredible. She was what every Bond girl should be.

So yeah...I basically liked it b/c of her character, and that it was the first Bond flick since On Her Majesty's Secret Service that actually put some character depth into Bond.

If you say so, I guess. To be honest, I only saw TWINE once, and most of what I remember is Denise Richards, so if the rest of it was good, maybe I should give it another chance.

Can we agree that Moonraker is terrible, then?

 

[fire400]

one word to sum all this up in my own perspective for this movie and the making of it:

"THIS MOVIE BLOODY SUCKED..."

 

[Tiamat]

Intro song was not very good. There was a bit too much action/vengeance...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: acheron

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: acheron
I really liked Casino Royale; probably in my top 3 Bond movies. QOS was not as good, but certainly wasn't terrible. The World Is Not Enough was terrible. QOS was fine.

I could have done without so much of the shaky cam shit too, though.

I really liked TWinE. well, except for Denise Richards. Take her out of it and it could have been great. She does a lot to ruin it, though. Sophie Marceau was incredible. She was what every Bond girl should be.

So yeah...I basically liked it b/c of her character, and that it was the first Bond flick since On Her Majesty's Secret Service that actually put some character depth into Bond.

If you say so, I guess. To be honest, I only saw TWINE once, and most of what I remember is Denise Richards, so if the rest of it was good, maybe I should give it another chance.

Can we agree that Moonraker is terrible, then?

Oh God yes. Moonraker, and anything with Roger Moore after The Spy Who Loved Me is an abomination. Hell, the mere thought of Grace Jones is enough to force a week-long eye-scrubbing.

Moonraker is absolutely horrible.

Yes. Denise Richards was horrible, and pretty much ruined that one. Honestly, I'm pretty sure I remember it being better than it was :laugh:

I just really, really, really like Sophie Marceau.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: ghostman
Maybe I was just tired last night, but I didn't get this movie. Perhaps I forgot too much of Casino Royale, but can anyone explain the following (of course, **SPOILERS ALERT**):

1. Who was the captured bad guy in the beginning? The guy in the Aston Martin trunk, who then escapes. I know he's part of this super secret organization, but are we supposed to know who he is? Was he from the first film?
2. Some money trail leads to some guy in a hotel. Bond shows up, fights and kills him. Guy in the hotel was supposed to kill the new Bond girl for Mr. Green. Whose money trail is it? Why is Bond girl picking him up (she talks about "geologists")? And why does Mr. Green want to kill the Bond girl?
3. Is the Bond girl part of another country's secret service or just pissed off that her family was killed by that general and wants revenge?
4. Why is Bond now investigating Mr. Green's plot? I understand this plot of the movie (controlling the water supply, etc.), but I don't know why Bond is trying to bring them down.
5. What is the CIA's involvement with Mr. Green?
6. The guy at the end with the Canadian was Vesper's boyfriend. What exactly does he do and who does he work for? Is he part of the secret organization? Is his job is to make women in sensitive positions fall in love with him so the organization can blackmail these women?
7. Bond says to M at the end, "You're right about Vesper". Right about what?

I've never watched 007 films outside of Brosnan's Bond. Compared to Brosnan's Bond, I find this take on it to be much better. Grittier and more "realistic". No silly "get-out-of-jail-free" gadget that 007 must depend on to get his ass out of trouble. Indeed, it is more like Bourne movies than Bond movies. I find that to be a good thing.

1) No idea.
2) No idea.
3) The girl was part of the Bolivian secret service IIRC, AND pissed off that the general killed her father.
4) They tried to kill M. (Although why they tried to kill M is another question. Maybe just because she was head of MI6).
5) They were trying to bring him down, I think. They were pretending to be dirty. Or they really were bring dirty for the oil? Not sure why they had to be in the film at all though.
6) No idea.
7) Right about her not being evil or something.


Overall it was pretty poor. The plot didn't seem to really work well or be properly integrated into the action scenes. It felt rather confusing and confused and there didn't really seem to be a proper beginning or end for the presumably main plot. Also (as implied by ghostmans post) a lot of stuff didn't seem to be explained very well and I'd say left a lot of people (ghostman, myself and my dad) slightly confused as to what was going on.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ghostman
Maybe I was just tired last night, but I didn't get this movie. Perhaps I forgot too much of Casino Royale, but can anyone explain the following (of course, **SPOILERS ALERT**):

1. Who was the captured bad guy in the beginning? The guy in the Aston Martin trunk, who then escapes. I know he's part of this super secret organization, but are we supposed to know who he is? Was he from the first film?
2. Some money trail leads to some guy in a hotel. Bond shows up, fights and kills him. Guy in the hotel was supposed to kill the new Bond girl for Mr. Green. Whose money trail is it? Why is Bond girl picking him up (she talks about "geologists")? And why does Mr. Green want to kill the Bond girl?
3. Is the Bond girl part of another country's secret service or just pissed off that her family was killed by that general and wants revenge?
4. Why is Bond now investigating Mr. Green's plot? I understand this plot of the movie (controlling the water supply, etc.), but I don't know why Bond is trying to bring them down.
5. What is the CIA's involvement with Mr. Green?
6. The guy at the end with the Canadian was Vesper's boyfriend. What exactly does he do and who does he work for? Is he part of the secret organization? Is his job is to make women in sensitive positions fall in love with him so the organization can blackmail these women?
7. Bond says to M at the end, "You're right about Vesper". Right about what?

I've never watched 007 films outside of Brosnan's Bond. Compared to Brosnan's Bond, I find this take on it to be much better. Grittier and more "realistic". No silly "get-out-of-jail-free" gadget that 007 must depend on to get his ass out of trouble. Indeed, it is more like Bourne movies than Bond movies. I find that to be a good thing.

1) No idea.
2) No idea.
3) The girl was part of the Bolivian secret service IIRC, AND pissed off that the general killed her father.
4) They tried to kill M. (Although why they tried to kill M is another question. Maybe just because she was head of MI6).
5) They were trying to bring him down, I think. They were pretending to be dirty. Or they really were bring dirty for the oil? Not sure why they had to be in the film at all though.
6) No idea.
7) Right about her not being evil or something.


Overall it was pretty poor. The plot didn't seem to really work well or be properly integrated into the action scenes. It felt rather confusing and confused and there didn't really seem to be a proper beginning or end for the presumably main plot. Also (as implied by ghostmans post) a lot of stuff didn't seem to be explained very well and I'd say left a lot of people (ghostman, myself and my dad) slightly confused as to what was going on.

Absolutely agree. This was a terrible Bond flick.

Great movie if:
A.) You want to see a bunch of people killed
B.) You enjoy that shaky camera bullshit in action scenes.

Avoid at all cost if:
A.) You even remotely value a plot in a movie.
B.) You're a fan of good dialogue.

I spent about $6 to see this movie and I felt sort of ripped off at the end of it.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: ghostman
Maybe I was just tired last night, but I didn't get this movie. Perhaps I forgot too much of Casino Royale, but can anyone explain the following (of course, **SPOILERS ALERT**):

1. Who was the captured bad guy in the beginning? The guy in the Aston Martin trunk, who then escapes. I know he's part of this super secret organization, but are we supposed to know who he is? Was he from the first film?
2. Some money trail leads to some guy in a hotel. Bond shows up, fights and kills him. Guy in the hotel was supposed to kill the new Bond girl for Mr. Green. Whose money trail is it? Why is Bond girl picking him up (she talks about "geologists")? And why does Mr. Green want to kill the Bond girl?
3. Is the Bond girl part of another country's secret service or just pissed off that her family was killed by that general and wants revenge?
4. Why is Bond now investigating Mr. Green's plot? I understand this plot of the movie (controlling the water supply, etc.), but I don't know why Bond is trying to bring them down.
5. What is the CIA's involvement with Mr. Green?
6. The guy at the end with the Canadian was Vesper's boyfriend. What exactly does he do and who does he work for? Is he part of the secret organization? Is his job is to make women in sensitive positions fall in love with him so the organization can blackmail these women?
7. Bond says to M at the end, "You're right about Vesper". Right about what?

I've never watched 007 films outside of Brosnan's Bond. Compared to Brosnan's Bond, I find this take on it to be much better. Grittier and more "realistic". No silly "get-out-of-jail-free" gadget that 007 must depend on to get his ass out of trouble. Indeed, it is more like Bourne movies than Bond movies. I find that to be a good thing.

1. Mister White, the guy Bond shot in the last scene of Casino Royale. He was tied to Vesper's death since he was the one who sent the message to Vesper.

2. no idea about money trail, I don't remember. But Greene did not trust Bond girl, so sends her on an errand to pick up the geologist (really the assasin) that Bond bumped off. The guy on the bike was supposed to be backup.

3. Supposed to have been part of the Bolivian Secret Service but she quit to go after the general.

4. He was tracing back to SPECTRE, Greene happens to be the man he traced to from the opera. That eavesdropping and spooking them with the ear piece and take pictures is classic.

5. SOP of CIA for a long time is to prop up or topple governments. Part of this involves big money player like Greene.

6. That guy is a seducer for SPETRE. He seduces women into working for SPECTRE, either willingly or unwillingly, just like Vesper.

7. right about Vesper sacrificing herself to save Bond.

Seriously, these were not that hard to catch.


Personally, I loved the movie. I really like the part where he killed one of the guys at the Opera House and it turned out he was from the protective detail the government assigned Greene as opposed to a thug. You can see just a hint of his self mollification.

PS, you should rewatch Casino Royale.

 

[maziwanka]

i dont think i paid enough attention to the story, so that's why i enjoyed the film. haha

i will watch this again and casino royale to see what i really think of both films