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Official NV20 (da monster) release date !!!!!!!!!!! Feb/2001

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dave: I seem to remember 3dfx kept delaying the V5 6000 and then decided not even to release it. 3dfx lies to its customers more than NVidia does.
 
No, there is a HUGE difference between lying and make changes.. lying would have been if 3dfx knew they weren't going to release it, but kept telling people anyway. This was not the case.


As for the Det3 drivers, they made some changes and optimizations to their hardware (well more like how the driver deals with certain aspects of the hardware). I promised not to give out specifics though, so I'll leave it at that.

and for reference, it isn't like NVIDIA is planning to stop selling the GTS any time soon. That is going to be their low to mid-range board for some time to come.
 
That link was very informative...for everyone who speaks German...



<< Hardware, here's a 3rd reason...you'd have to sell your kids to afford one >>



First of all, I very much doubt that anyone that annoying could conceive children....the environment is just too toxic for sperm to survive in. Secondly, if he were to find someone equally annoying and actually manage to get it up, the chances of finding a buyer (outside of a pharmaceutical test lab) are astronomically low (although there are some very stupid people out there).
 
Dave you know a lot of Nvidia but whats about 3dfx!
As far I know the last quarter was a disaster too for 3dfx
maybe they are out of business, low on money, no money or still on credit line I dont know!
Well we all have to wait 24h
 
The most amazing thing is how DaveB3D just loves being a Nvidia critic. Since Nvidia is having a hard time getting the NV20 out the door why is it that 3DFX still haven't even announced a Rampage release date to take advantage of the situation? The way I see it if the Rampage made it's debut before the NV20 it may help 3DFX out alot.

Nvidia may have made some blunders in their execution but they sure aren't the ones that's a generation behind😉
 
V5 may be a generation behind, but it is amazing how well it competes.. and it blows away the previous generation. With that in mind, imagine how 3dfx will be when not a generation behind...
 
http://www.digit-life.com/news.html#976828628

January 6-9, 2001

NV20 &quot;technology&quot; demos are going to be publicly shown at Winter Consumer Electronic Show and at MacWorld but no product details will be announced at these events.

February 27, 2001

Product launch with full product info and product-level promotion at Intel's Developer Forum.
As we previously mentioned NV-20 based products will appear in volumes from NVIDIA's partners in March-April

And just a few words on the chip clock rates at launch: 200MHz core clock, 250MHz DDR memory clock (500MHz). The first NVIDIA NV20 reference board will feature 64MB DDR memory.
 
Just a side comment!
For a GTSU you need 4 vsa-100
For a NV20 you need 8 vsa-100

Anybody here who believed the rampage hast 8 times the power of a vsa-100?
It very unlikely to do a 800% jump in your chip performance!
Maybe 3dfx could cancel rampage (same as v6000 isnt good enough) and go straight to gp stuff
It seems now Nvidia has a killer ready to release!
 
I heard someone say that the price of the NV20 is going to be $500+? That is ridiculous! I dont care how fast it is. I hope this does not start a trend where every top of the line card is $500+.
 
Hardware:
How do you know a NV20 is as fast as 8 VSA-100 chips? Nvidia connections? Are there any REAL benchmarks of a NV20, and I mean not the geocities speculation. So the NV20 will be 4x faster than the Voodoo 5500?

With the HSR stuff, yeah, I know it's beta, I saw that the Voodoo 5 5500 came pretty close to the GTS Normal. As far as I understood Hardware, the NV20 will be, ok maybe not 4x faster, but lets say 3x faster than the GTS Normal? Yeah right Hardware.

It's not my opinion, I just wanted to show(wasn't it obvious?) what Hardware meant, maybe I got him wrong.
 
Dave your posts reek of anti-Nvidiaism. I have yet to see you praise or applaud one thing that Nvidia has done. At least Nvidia is capable of somewhat executing what they set out to do. THat is why they replaced 3dfx as the kings of 3d card world. 3dfx hasn't even annoucned the Rampage or given specs or any info whatsoever. The only info we have is your assurance that it is going to be awesome, which isn't surprising since you work for 3dfx. Now i am not downplaying the rampage because i know it will be a great card. However, if it comes out AFTER the NV20, people are going to expect it to be either faster or more feature-rich. WHat a shame it would be if it was actually slower than the rampage.
 
Sudheer Anne,Well said, I made this point a few weeks ago &amp; almost got flammed,anyway now I don`t even take him serious,what`s worst we now have two Members like that,one from each side.

🙂
 
I just realised that Hardware's anti-3DFX neffing campaign got him a Golden membership😀 Congrats Hardware, may more neffing and Nvidia loving bring you closer to the ultimate goal...Elite Member.

DaveB3D, I wasn't trying to pick on 3DFX for the record but I think that you shouldn't downplay Nvidia since 3DFX simply isn't doing any better at the moment. The question you should ask yourself is when will 3DFX close the generation gap.

Anyhoo, here's to hoping that we see the Rampage sometime soon🙂
 
I'm sick of Dave simply pickin apart everything that Nvidia does. He may not flat out say that Nvidia sucks and that it is making huge mistakes, but it is very greatly implied. He shouldn't even be pickin on Nvidia since 3dfx is in a far WORSE POSITION. They are playin catchup and if they don't succeed with Rampage they run the risk of running out of business.
 
Noone is listening to the facts.

The Voodoo 5 was supposed to be released to compete with the SDR/DDR GeForce 1's. Can you imagine how badly it would have embarrased those cards? Yes, i realize it was NOT released to compete with those, but can you imagine if Rampage is just like the V5, having dominating power over the card it is supposed to compete with? All they have to do is release it on time, and after they said they are changing their methods and going back to the OLD 3dfx as much as they can, I think they will.

<< Funny thing is though, NV20 doesn't have much more bandwidth Hardware.... >>

Since the beginning, i have said that Rampage will slap NV20 around. HSR wont kill the memory bandwidth problem that NVIDIA has been plagued by. Not to mention that 3dfx will have HSR on Rampage also, with the Gigapixel team helping out...

But anyway, lets put the main fact down on paper. 500mhz effective memory on the NV20. (DDR 250mhz) 800mhz effective memory on Rampage. (200mhz DDR * 2 processors) Now seriously, do you really think that Nvidia is going to be able to keep up with this much bandwidth? I find it hard to even see a CHANCE of them keeping up.


So, Hardware, talk now. Let's hear your thoughts on this little lesson.
 
&quot;And just a few words on the chip clock rates at launch: 200MHz core clock, 250MHz DDR memory clock (500MHz). The first NVIDIA NV20 reference board will feature 64MB DDR memory.&quot;

well it appears nVidia has finally learned SOME lessons.. more power is not needed, RAM limitations are killing them.

I suspect the NV20 will be pretty quick.. a decent speed increase over the GTSU, but the price will be just as bad.

I though nVidia was going to debut with a faster (mhz wise) chip, but they seemingly decided to leave that be..

BTW, if this chip has any of the features I have suspected for a while now, that means that it's specs are:

-800 Mpixels
-1600Mtexels

notice those two number are back DOWN to GTS levels? I wonder why.. actually no I don't, the reason being, they have enough trouble getting that amount of power through to the screen with their current bandwidth limitation, the only thing that really improved on this card is some bandwidth saving techniques, IF these specs are accurate.

which also means that it will be very easy for 3dfx to meet those specs on a chip-chip basis (with the RAMPAGE). it remains to be seen whether or not 3dfx has enough bandwidth saving features to beat the NV20.

btw, this is assuming that 3dfx is sticking with a 4 pixel pipe, like most rumors out there suggest.

however I think most 'rumors' are just speculation. what seems to be correct for that chip.

btw, hardware, 3dfx noticeably changed their attitude since releasing the V4/5 series, notice how they aren't hyping their chips? wanna know why? if you cannot deliver (on a time basis, or performance basis), then you will be screwed over. 3dfx found out the hard way (apparently).

perhaps you should ALSO consider being quiet, I'm sure Anandtech forums traffic would be put to better use that way.
 
I simply do not understand the people in this forum that constantly talk about how much 3dfx sucks! I bet they did not say that when the top card was the voodoo 2. I have a voodoo 5 and yes it is slower than a gts 2. I bought it to play grand prix legends and a week after I got it they came out with a d3d patch for the game. I wish I did have the geforce 2. I even thought about selling this one but the difference is not enough to warant it. I will buy the best card on the market next time. I do not care if it is a 3dfx card or an nvida card. I think some of the people here must not have a life or something. Heck why does it matter who is #1. I bet some of the people here who support nvidia would buy the rampage if it is the best card. I also bet some of the 3dfx supporters would buy the nvidia card if it was the best. It is amazing how so many people say a company sucks when it does not have the best product. I remember when it was nvida that sucked! The bottom line here is that 3dfx had problems of some sort and was unable to release the v5 on time. My card works fine and there is nothing wrong with it. If it had come out 6 months earlier, it would have been considered a better card. It looks lie my next card will be a nv20 unless the rampage is faster. I dont think either company sucks!!!
 
Agreed... All this bickering and squabbling about video cards that don't exist, and basing all of your faith in numbers that are still idle speculations on the net... What idiots are you... Hell for all we know the Rampage could kick the NV20's butt, but be 3 months later than the NV20... Or maybe they'll have power problems with the NV20, and they'll be sent back to the drawing board, and be released in July or so... Who freaking knows... Show me a final product, numbers, and experiences with the boards and Then I will make my decision... My $500 isn't going to idle speculation... Hell for all we know ATI might be making an outstanding Radeon 2 MAXX, and blow everything out of the water...
 
I don't understand why so many on this forum try to tell Dave to STHU just because he works for 3dfx (a company that isn't delivering on time), when ALL OF YOU DON'T WORK FOR ANY GRAPHICS CARD MANUFACTURER! Jebus H. Christ, of all the places you tell someone to be quiet on an issue, it's NOT on the Internet (except in most of Hardware's cases). BTW, you do all realize that Dave's points are valid?

with all due respect it will be release when it`s ready,3dfx have not got exactly the perfect record when it comes to this, most of us can wait so what`s the big deal when it`s released,I would rather have a card from any company that has gone through quality testing etc,then one rushed out just to please some people.


Hi, that's why the V5500 (and V6000) were delayed so much--they wanted to ensure maximal compatibility and minimal support issues. Why don't you ask any of nVidia's manufacturer's about their 2D quality?

So or so Nvidia will milk us

And this is a good thing?

Hardware--you gonna start providing links useful to the rest of us non-German-speaking people?
 
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