***OFFICIAL*** Nuclear Weapons for Idiots ***CONFIRMED***

[UltraQuiet]

What the hell were they thinking? Nuclear Weapons for Idiots

 

[pyonir]

just another reason for me to hate England. unreal...

 

[StinkyMeat]

I think you should read this.

 

[Ender]

I just skimmed through it, and didn't see a reason why they're releasing this information to the public. Anyone care to explain why they are?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

The end of the world is neer....

 

[JellyBaby]

Well at least someone is creating new plotlines for James Bond.

 

[pyonir]

<< I think you should read this. >>


i think that is one (or a few) persons opinion. there are no rules. MMUAUAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[tweakmm]

why does it matter?
If someone has the resources to get uranium or plutonium, then they would have the resources to get ways to make a bomb...
its not like you can just make uranium out of household cleaners

 

[Lithium381]

that sucks....but most public people aren't going to, and if you were a terrorist with the motive, you could have found the means elsewhere....

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< why does it matter? >>


We're talking about nuclear weapons here. There are a lot of very tight tolerances and specs to make one work besides having the plutoniun. Why make it that much easier. I don't agree with your basic premise at all.

 

[tweakmm]

<< We're talking about nuclear weapons here. There are a lot of very tight tolerances and specs to make one work besides having the plutoniun. Why make it that much easier. I don't agree with your basic premise at all. >>


Haven't there been plans to make nuclear weapons online anyway?

 

[IGBT]

Well, Dr.Wattenburg phd.former director of Lawerence Livermore labs has indicated that a credible terrorist nuclear event is a certainty and well beyond the if/mabe stage. All they lack is the fissionable material. And there are tons of the stuff avail.in former Soviet block countries. Trying to deter a terrorist nuclear event requires a great deal of on the ground intelligence and LUCK. The terrorist only needs to be lucky once.

 

[rgwalt]

Well, I don't think this was Britian's brightest idea, however, trying to get ahold of weapon's grade fissionable material is tough. If you have the cash to buy it, you likely have the cash to hire an ex-Soviet engineer to build your bomb.

Ryan

 

[ziplux]

If the information has been declassified, it should be available to anyone willing to find it. The fact that they allow citizens to access this information is a good thing. Here in the States we have to go to court to get information that should be pubically accessable by laws like the Freedom of Information Act.

 

[Hanpan]

I really don;t see what the fuss is all about. It is far more difficult to get a reliable source of weapons grade plutonium than it is to get the instructions. This is not the only place that such instructions are available. Furthermore the instructinos are over 30 years old. Not exactly recent publications. Granted this is a bad move in terms of public relations for Britian but I do not see how this changes terrorists or anyones ability to actually contruct a bomb if they so choose.

 

[Viper GTS]

I really fail to see what the big deal is, to those who really wanted the information it was already relatively easily available.

The difficulty is the materials & production processes, not the design itself.

Viper GTS

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< If the information has been declassified, it should be available to anyone willing to find it. The fact that they allow citizens to access this information is a good thing. Here in the States we have to go to court to get information that should be pubically accessable by laws like the Freedom of Information Act >>


The point is why declassify it at all. Why would you make this type of info available when you know there is weapons grade fissionable material that can't be accounted for. I don't buy into the argument of " Well if you have this part x, then you must have part y so what difference does it make if we confirm that this is how part y works". That's just total horsesh!t logic IMO. Let's just assume that the unaccounted for material was in the hands of terrorists. Now we have just told them, assuming access to the proper machine tools, how to complete the task.

 

[tweakmm]

<<

<< If the information has been declassified, it should be available to anyone willing to find it. The fact that they allow citizens to access this information is a good thing. Here in the States we have to go to court to get information that should be pubically accessable by laws like the Freedom of Information Act >>


The point is why declassify it at all. Why would you make this type of info available when you know there is weapons grade fissionable material that can't be accounted for. I don't buy into the argument of " Well if you have this part x, then you must have part y so what difference does it make if we confirm that this is how part y works". That's just total horsesh!t logic IMO. Let's just assume that the unaccounted for material was in the hands of terrorists. Now we have just told them, assuming access to the proper machine tools, how to complete the task. >>


but if a terrorist had the access to the proper tools and weapons grade plutonium then they had a way to build it. I doubt any terrorists were just standing around with some plutonium thinking "Wow, we have all this plutonium and the proper tools, if only we knew how to put the stuff together"

 

[Zebo]

I have to disagree with you Dave. Any university library has this same information. But to decifer it the individual/entity would need someone post-graduate trained to decipher the details. Plus they would need major economy to get all the pieces required. It's much easier/cheaper to simply steal or buy the nukes from russia and modify them for terrorist activities.

 

[StageLeft]

That's pretty retarded. Of course getting the materials is surely the harder part of the equation anyway.

 

[Mookow]

To paraphase one of the scientists on the Manhattan Project in regards to nuclear weapons:
"The first time it is done, it is the work of a Nobel Prize laurelate. The second time, its the work of a machinist."

I feel no less safe now than before I read this. If I took the right classes here at my university, I could design a nuclear bomb within 4 years. However, I admit I go to a big school, with a nuclear science program, so you couldnt do this at just any school. Hell, we even have a university run nuclear power plant. The point being, designing a bomb is not so difficult that a person who got a master's degree couldnt do it. They cant just lay ahold of weapons grade plutonium or HEU.

 

[Mookow]

I will agree that they probably shouldnt have done this, but I do not think anything bad will come of it.

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< Any university library has this same information. But to decifer it the individual/entity would need someone post-graduate trained to decipher the details. >>


You will have a very hard time convincing me that our goverment, or any other until now, would allow plans to make a workable weapon to remain in the public domain. I'm just not buying it. I will agree with everyone that obtaining the fissionable material is probably the hardest part but do you just assume that no one will ever be able to do it and give them most/all of the rest of the puzzle?

Edit: Designing something is one thing. It may or may not work. Having the plans to something you know works is something else entirely.

This thread is OFFICIAL and CONFIRMED because people who try to tell others what to do without any basis of authority piss me off.

 

[BA]

Why is everything ***OFFICIAL*** and ***CONFIRMED*** now?


Anyway, getting ahold of the plutionium is the hard part, not designing the nuke.



<< but if a terrorist had the access to the proper tools and weapons grade plutonium then they had a way to build it. I doubt any terrorists were just standing around with some plutonium thinking "Wow, we have all this plutonium and the proper tools, if only we knew how to put the stuff together" >>



And even if they were, it's not like it'd be at all difficult to build a dirty bomb, which is still plenty nasty.

 

[fatbaby]

isn't there some russian nuclear munitions dump somewhat off the coast of south africa? Well lets grab our radiation suits, a nice freighter, and some tupperwear containers and get some!