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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't understand why people keep "investing" hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars into their PC just to play games when they can drop their ideological bias and just get a(nother) console. It boggles the mind at all the money being wasted.

i think people need to just enjoy what they can and not put down what they can't enjoy, whether it be because they can't afford the console/PC or for whatever reason.

i swear fanboys this generation (PS3, Xbox360, Wii era) are continuing to just get worse and worse since last generation.
 

imported_Imp

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Dec 20, 2005
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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't understand why people keep "investing" hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars into their PC just to play games when they can drop their ideological bias and just get a(nother) console. It boggles the mind at all the money being wasted.

i think people need to just enjoy what they can and not put down what they can't enjoy, whether it be because they can't afford the console/PC or for whatever reason.

i swear fanboys this generation (PS3, Xbox360, Wii era) are continuing to just get worse and worse since last generation.

Especially now that you can "easilly" load Linux onto one of them...
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: Narmer
I don't understand why people keep "investing" hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars into their PC just to play games when they can drop their ideological bias and just get a(nother) console. It boggles the mind at all the money being wasted.


If by bias you mean one group gets more value for their $, yeah they
should drop that right away.

For one performing his own hardware work, the biannual upgrade can cost
not much more than a console system. Since just about everyone has a PC
anyways, now you have a dual purpose machine. And if you really want to
talk about wasted, feel free to discuss the used console game market.


Of course keep your eyes open for when UT3 comes out, perhaps you'll see
more of why we like some games on PC more.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Well, there are a few reasons.

1. First person shooters control better with a mouse + keyboard. Some consoles release mouse/keyboard combinations, but they are usually released late with little fanfare, and not up to the level of PC components. Even given that the PS3 and Xbox360 can accept inputs from PC mice and keyboards, the majority of gamers will never use them, and the games are not designed to take advantage of that control scheme.

Definitely True...although I've learned to appreciate sitting back with a wireless controller rather than having to be near a hard surface to slide my mouse and somewhere to balance an ungainly keyboard. Controllers have there advantages too...especially for nearly every other game genre other than FPS and RTS

2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

You can always use a PC LCD or small LCD TV for "LAN" parties. A lot of people have a second TV in the house other than there big HDTV that is portable...at least as portable as a PC monitor. Plus the console hardware is usually much more compact than the typical computer case. And setting up consoles on a network is the easiest thing imaginable relating to networks.

3. Downloadable content. This is rapidly increasing on consoles, but it is much larger on the PC, especially when talking about user-created modifications (which are non-existant on consoles). If I can choose between running Oblivion on my PS3 with no mods, or on my PC with any number of the hundreds or thousands of mods out there, I'm going to opt for the PC version. Granted, it would be nice to see it running on a big screen TV, but since most HDTVs now accept inputs from a PC, that's a moot point.

While certainly valid, this is becoming more and more of a mute point. There is the occationsal mod or user content worth it...but its getting rarer and rarer these days. Most worthwhile downloadable content (from the actual developers) is available to the current generation of consoles

4. Tying in to downloadable content is customizability; from user modifications to changing specific graphics options, PCs have a clear advantage in configuration variety. Most console games allow you to set numerous options, like control scheme, sound options, even resolution scaling (ie 720p vs. 1080p). But when was the last console game that let you change anisotropic filtering settings, or anti-aliasing, or let you decide whether you wanted volumetric fog or soft shadows? Some modern console games use HDR, and stutter when you try to run at 1080p; where's the option to disable the effects at higher resolutions? PC games give the user a high level of customizability (and if they don't, someone's probably created a workaround).

I actually think this works against PCs. I'm happy to not have to troubleshoot every game I have or wondery why my latest video card drivers are missing textures, not properly filtering, etc. Now every game I buy plays the way the developer intended it to play on my platform...nothing I have to do to get it that way. In terms of controls and other customizations...developers often still give you many options here.

5. Computers do other things. If you buy a console, you're not using it to type up a term paper, review an Excel document for work, update your NetFlix queue or file your taxes (granted, you can do more and more of this on today's consoles, but using a web browser through a console is much more cumbersome than doing it on a PC).

Buying a computer for everyday tasks costs you $400-500 at the most. That computer will perform those tasks for years to come (my parents are still using a 8 year old computer and probably won't replace anytime soon because they can do all there everyday stuff with it. Keeping up a gaming machine is a whole different story where it is easy to spend over $500 every couple of years just to keep it "up to date". In the time you buys two consoles (10 years), you could easily have spent $2500 on computer hardware. This is my personal experience and why I stopped with PC gaming even though I'd been playing PC games since I was a teenager. I was spending way too much money for the fun I got out of it. now I spend a lot less and have a lot more money to spend on actual games.

So yes, consoles can play games, and many genres (sports, racing, action/adventure) play much better on consoles than PCs. But PCs have their place. If someone (and I would imagine this applies to many people on these forums) wants to shell out thousands of dollars to have the latest and greatest PC, who are you to say it's a waste?

I agree that you can't argue it is a waste any more than whatever your personal indulgence is...and everyone has one in some way or another. For me, PC gaming just wasn't worth the money I sank into it anymore as consoles had caught up enough in certain areas to make me happy and had many advantages that PC gaming was missing.

 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

One of the big draws for Halo was/is LAN parties. People still hold Halo tournaments in their houses, churches, etc.

 

Beev

Diamond Member
Apr 20, 2006
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Generally if the game is available on the PC then that's what I will get it for (unless it's a platformer, racer, or other made-for-console type game). I got BioShock for my PC (DRM be damned) and I am so glad I did. It looks and controls SIGNIFICANTLY better than it ever would on the 360.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sraaz
Generally if the game is available on the PC then that's what I will get it for (unless it's a platformer, racer, or other made-for-console type game). I got BioShock for my PC (DRM be damned) and I am so glad I did. It looks and controls SIGNIFICANTLY better than it ever would on the 360.

According to the Bioshock Dev, Levine, the DRM issues are because they didn't anticipate the number of people trying to register Bioshock. This caused their server that handles the DRM to crash affecting many users.

Victim of their own success.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Now that Wii has most consoles sold, we get the better games, right ;)
 

yowolabi

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2001
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I really thought the PS3 would outsell the 360 for the month. I don't see it happening at all this year then.
 

Beev

Diamond Member
Apr 20, 2006
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Sraaz
Generally if the game is available on the PC then that's what I will get it for (unless it's a platformer, racer, or other made-for-console type game). I got BioShock for my PC (DRM be damned) and I am so glad I did. It looks and controls SIGNIFICANTLY better than it ever would on the 360.

According to the Bioshock Dev, Levine, the DRM issues are because they didn't anticipate the number of people trying to register Bioshock. This caused their server that handles the DRM to crash affecting many users.

Victim of their own success.

Oh I didn't have any issues with that. I installed and registered just fine, but now Securom is on my PC, but I still prefer my PC version.
 

tatteredpotato

Diamond Member
Jul 23, 2006
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

One of the big draws for Halo was/is LAN parties. People still hold Halo tournaments in their houses, churches, etc.

Console LANs are MUCH easier to get together than PC imo. I don't know enough people with a PC capable of running most games, but everyone and their brother buys consoles. A lot of people have spare 20" TVs that are easily transported, or I use my 20" monitor.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: yowolabi
I really thought the PS3 would outsell the 360 for the month. I don't see it happening at all this year then.

There is almost no chance...but we'll see. The 360 is bound to have significant bumps in sales in September and November when big games hit. There are games coming out for the PS3 that will boost sales I'm sure (just having more games to play will boost sales), but they don't have anything that will compare to Halo 3.

With regard to system sellers, I wonder if Bioshock will have any affect from that standpoint. I feel like there was a reasonable amount of hype for the game...but few felt it would live up to the hype. Fortunately it does seem to have lived up to the hype...but will it sell 360's because of it? Maybe Bioshock 2 will be a system seller.
 

Narmer

Diamond Member
Aug 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

One of the big draws for Halo was/is LAN parties. People still hold Halo tournaments in their houses, churches, etc.

People go to church to play Halo:confused:?
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: lupi
Now that Wii has most consoles sold, we get the better games, right ;)

We better start getting some more third party games! Development takes time though, so after all of the developers supposedly jumped on board with the Wii it'll take a while before they start putting out the games.
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

One of the big draws for Halo was/is LAN parties. People still hold Halo tournaments in their houses, churches, etc.

People go to church to play Halo:confused:?

:p

There have been some churches that have held Halo LAN parties. Couple have gotten in trouble for it. When I was camped out at Sam's Club to get a 360, one of the guys I was in line with was a youth coordinator at his church and was telling us about the Halo tournament they held there with sponsorship, prizes, etc.
 

Yreka

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
2. LAN parties are fun. Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of consoles and TVs wired for a giant LAN party? It doesn't work. PCs are easy to transport because of the relative smallness of the screens (as opposed to a TV for a console). They have been designed to network for decades rather than in the last few years, and it is generally much easier to set up a large network of PCs than it is to network a lot of consoles.

One of the big draws for Halo was/is LAN parties. People still hold Halo tournaments in their houses, churches, etc.

People go to church to play Halo:confused:?

:p

There have been some churches that have held Halo LAN parties. Couple have gotten in trouble for it. When I was camped out at Sam's Club to get a 360, one of the guys I was in line with was a youth coordinator at his church and was telling us about the Halo tournament they held there with sponsorship, prizes, etc.

Much more effective way to reach the kids than idle threats of damnation I would imagine. Kudos to those "progressive" churches.

I'm not a religious man, but I like to think Jesus would rock some shit on team death matches :)