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Can the NHL season be saved?

Canadian Press
2/6/2005

Fans accept the NHL season is toast. The players seem to think so too. This week may be the owners' turn.

Unless the NHL Players' Association deems itself ready to swallow "linkage", which is a salary cap linked to league revenue, or the NHL is ready to drop it as its No. 1 demand - both unlikely at this stage - it's time for commissioner Gary Bettman to axe what is left of the season and let everyone move on with their lives.

And with the NFL season ending Sunday, the void in the sports calendar just got a lot bigger.

Sources on both sides confirmed Sunday that there has been no communication since Friday's talks ended in New York.

Another source close to the talks said the union will not pick up the phone, so expect the NHL to do just that on Monday. It wants another kick at the can before it's too late.

While rumours persist that the NHL will soon cancel the season, a cynic might conclude those rumours are being purposely spread to make the union feel like the end is near so as to pressure the players into finally accepting a salary cap.

What if the league has no intention of officially cancelling the season until late this month? How many "critical" weeks will we have had by then?

"I don't know what their motives are," Blue Jackets player representative Todd Marchant said Sunday from Columbus. "Why have they not set a drop-dead date?"

"I've prepared myself either way. I'm ready to play but I'm also ready to accept not having hockey this year."

Marchant's biggest concern now is the 2005-06 season.

"Regardless of what happens this year, I think everybody - players, fans and owners - would like to start on time next season," said Marchant. "(NHL executive vice-president) Bill Daly said the lines of communication would remain open, they'll continue to meet, so maybe a breakthrough will come down the line.

"Either way, I'd like to see both sides keep working at it regardless of how late it is in the year."

Last week's "last-minute" talks once again provided no solution.

But the spin coming out of those talks could not have been more different from each side.

The union's reaction was dire with NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow reportedly telling his players through their website over the weekend that the season was over.

League sources, however, insist both sides have indeed made some progress, much more than the NHLPA is willing to admit.

But how does this end? One NHL player, who requested anonymity, said he likes the "tax within a cap" solution.

He figures a payroll tax with teeth at $35 million, more teeth at $45 million, and then a hard salary cap at $50 million would perhaps satisfy the needs of owners.

"There's a deal to be done here where both sides can save face," the player said. "Enough's enough, let's get it done."

Either way, it's getting late in the game to play hockey unless you don't care when a shortened season would end.

If the players are willing to play hockey in July, then there's still lots of time to hammer out a deal and play hockey this year.

"They don't have to get the playoffs in by the end of June," 42-year-old defenceman Chris Chelios told the Detroit News.

"There's nothing going on except baseball. The arenas are empty. As long as the fans and vendors get their fix, that's good enough for me. We'll do whatever they tell us."

The league would surely love to put their rejected proposal to a full membership vote of the players. But that doesn't seem to be an option right now.

"To be brutally honest, there's nothing to vote on. Their offer is simply unacceptable," New Jersey Devils forward John Madden told the New York Post.

It's unacceptable because it links player costs to revenues, revenues that may go down when the game resumes because of the damage suffered from the lockout.

"Linkage is tough because we just don't believe their numbers," said Marchant. "How can you negotiate a system with a link between revenues and salaries when you just don't respect their financial numbers?"

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
The supreme irony of the lockout is that both sides are negotiating over
revenue that could very well be nonexistent. What the owners and players
have failed to realize is that all of their in-fighting is over other
people's money, money that is not theirs but the customers'. It's money from
ticket buyers and TV viewers, and it simply may not be there any more. They
forgot one small but crucial point: People don't have to go to NHL games.
It's a choice.

- Sally Jenkins, Washington Post
 
I want to know when they cancel the season. It's Feb 7th. I thought that at the latest, the season would NEED TO START on Feb 14th for there to be a season. Now, I guess that could be pushed back to the 17th or 20th but, that's a late June Stanley Cup for ya. In 1994/1995, the lockout ended on Jan 11 and games started Jan 20. So we're way behind.

I used to have hope. I had hope until they negotiated for 13 hours and there was (apparently) no progress. What bull. You don't talk for 13hrs with no progress. They are screwing us.
 
There needs to be a vote

TSN.ca Staff
2/6/2005

There needs to be a vote.

I think this is a situation where there is going to be so much blood on so many people's hands if we lose the season that it shouldn't be put on Gary Bettman and Bob Goodenow to be the bad guys. I think both the rank and file membership for the players and the 30 NHL owners should vote.

If this entire season - this entire industry - is going to be blown up like its never been blown up before - everybody needs to take responsibility. The way you do that is by having a vote that is very public that lets everybody know exactly where everybody stands. If everybody gets to vote, after the fact nobody can say ''it was our leader that did this or our leader did that.''

I really do believe that this is the final week to save the season. If we don't get something over the course of this week then I think we are done.

I'm a guy who's been pessimistic from the get go on this entire thing. I believe that the players have had more than enough solidarity to try and get through this thing without falling apart. I believe the owners are committed this time around - not like they were last time. I believe both these sides are prepared to blow everything up.

Having said all that, I've got a little cockeyed optimism - we'll call it relative optimism if you will - that both sides recognize that this next five-day period is where the best possible deal can be constructed. Once they go over the edge I don't believe the players are going to get a better deal than what they'll get this week. Also, though the owners ultimately might think they'll get a better deal down the road, if they have to blow up the game to do it, how much of a better is that?

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Hull talks hockey on SNL

TSN.ca Staff
12/12/2004

The NHL lockout took a humourous diversion of sorts over the weekend, as Phoenix Coyotes winger Brett Hull appeared on NBC's Saturday Night Live offering tongue-in-cheek commentary on the popular segment, "Weekend Update."

Hosted by cast members Amy Poehler and Tina Fey, the two mock anchors introduced the 18-year NHL veteran to discuss the state of the game.

When questioned about hockey's popularity in the United States, Hull joked with that an NBA brawl and steroids in baseball, "hockey was looking classier all the time."

Hull was also asked about Canada's Supreme Court ruling last week stating that gay marriage was constitutional, allowing the federal government to call on Parliament to legalize same-sex unions nationwide.

"That's what happens in Canada when there's no hockey," Hull replied to laughter. "Guys have more time to hang out, talk about their feelings and fall in love with each other. I have nothing against it, but I'd rather be playing hockey."

Hull, who signed a two-year contract with the Coyotes in August, is just the second NHLer to appear on the popular satire show after Wayne Gretzky hosted the program in 1989.

Hull has played in 1,264 games in his NHL career with Calgary, St. Louis, Dallas and Detroit, scoring 741 goals, 649 assists and 1,390 points. He has won two Stanley Cups in his career (1999 with Dallas and 2002 with Detroit).

The NHL lockout is nearing its 90th day, with talks scheduled to resume between the league and players' association on Tuesday. The NHLPA made a proposal to the league on Thursday, the first dialogue between the two sides since Sept. 9. The players' association offered a 24 percent rollback on salaries and 20 cent tax on payroll over $45 million.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Gretzky - Lockout could be a long one

Canadian Press
1/2/2005

GRAND FORKS, N.D. (CP) - Wayne Gretzky is concerned that if the NHL and the players' association don't agree to a new collective bargaining agreement soon, the next season will be lost as well as this one.

"If this is not decided in the next few days, I'm scared we could be looking at a year, a year and a half, two years, not just three months like a lot of people thought in September," Gretzky said Sunday during a news conference at the world junior hockey championship. "From April to October, the players don't get paid, so I can't see us coming to an agreement in August or September.

"If we don't find a way to make everyone who is part of this sort of happy and get a deal done, we could be looking at a long, long time before hockey is played in the NHL and that's very alarming too. I hope in the next couple weeks we can come to an agreement."

Gretzky also denied recent published reports that the Phoenix Coyotes franchise is for sale. Gretzky is a minority owner and a managing partner of the club. Jerry Moyes is the majority owner and Steve Ellman also has a minority stake.

"The team is not for sale," Gretzky said. "If it was for sale I would tell you guys, but it's not. There's really no truth to the story at all."

Gretzky says he supports NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's firm labour stance. Bettman has said the league must have a salary cap.

"We want to play. We want to get back out there," Gretzky said. "But the other side of it is we back the commissioner 100 per cent, unequivocally, what he's doing and the process he's going through."

He said the Coyotes' franchise is suffering because of the lockout.

"Amazingly, whether people believe it or not, we're losing less money this year not playing if that makes sense," he said. "But, saying that, we're also losing credibility in the city as far as the game goes. We're losing some fan support because people are disappointed and you lose corporate sponsorship."

Gretzky said he doesn't plan to get actively involved in any negotiations between the NHL and the players because he's not on the negotiating committee.

He was executive director of the Canadian men's Olympic team that won a gold medal in 2002 and chuckled when asked if he would run the next Olympic team in Turin, Italy, in 2006. It's unclear if the NHL would participate in the Olympics in light of the current labour situation.

"We haven't really discussed '06 yet because of the situation we're in with the NHL." Gretzky said. "Hopefully once that gets resolved, we'll sit down and make a decision for the future."

Gretzky was in Grand Forks to watch the world junior championship. He played in the 1978 tournament in Montreal as a 16-year-old and let Canada in scoring with eight goals and nine assists in six games. Canada won the bronze medal that year.

"The two things I remember the most is playing in the Montreal Forum and meeting Guy Lafleur for the first time and getting to play for Canada," Gretzky said.

He's been watching the Canadian team since the tournament began.

"Canada has had a really solid tournament and up to this point in time has played as well as any Canadian team has played and has handled itself with a great deal of class and dignity," Gretzky said prior to Canada's 3-1 semifinal win at night over the Czech Republic.

Gretzky said a year and a half ago that Canadian forward Sidney Crosby would be the player to break all his NHL records and Crosby hasn't diminished in Gretzky eyes since then.

"He's the real deal," Gretzky said. "He's got tremendous hockey sense, moves the puck very well and obviously has great hands.

"The thing you learn at a young age that separates really good players from average players and it's what you do and where you go when you don't have the puck. He seems to get in position to be in the play at all times. What's more important, he has fun when he's playing."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Gretzky, Hull differ on lockout issues

TSN.ca Staff
2/8/2005

Phoenix Coyotes co-owner Wayne Gretzky and Coyotes forward Brett Hull may be the best of friends and former teammates, but when it comes to the NHL lockout they are on opposite sides for the fence in more ways than one.

Not only do they differ on the fundamental issue of the lockout - a salary cap - they also disagree on whether the NHL should even play this year.

While the Great One wants a shortened season on the ice, the NHL's active goal-scoring leader wants no part of an abridged season.

"It would be ridiculous," Hull told TSN on Tuesday. "Both sides have come this far and battled so hard on what they believe needs to be done. The game has suffered so let's just call it a wash and start next year.

"We should just cancel (the season) now, get this thing done and let the teams prepare their staff, their season ticket and PR people and be ready."

While disagreeing, Gretzky feels his former St. Louis Blues linemate is entitled to his point of view.

"I respect his opinion," said Gretzky. "Brett's played for almost 20 years, he's one of my closer friends, a wonderful guy and great for the game of hockey. If that's the way he feels, that's his opinion. I'm not going to sit down and try to hit him on the head to get him to change his mind."

There is, however, another matter in this lockout where they are on the same page - the amount of damage that it has done to the National Hockey League.

"At the end of the day, we're all losing," Gretzky told TSN. "The players are losing, the fans are certainly losing, and the owners are losing. Nobody is winning here. We need to rectify the problem. What that answer is? I don't know - people ask me all the time and I don't have it. Mr. Bettman has made it absolutely, 100 percent clear he wants cost certainty, while the union has made it clear that they will not accept a salary cap."

Despite the hardships of the lockout, both Gretzky and Hull remain on good terms as good friends and former teammates. But there is certainly another chapter of their relationship that they can't wait to get to either - the one where Gretzky the owner gets to watch his player Hull hit the ice.

The Coyotes signed Hull to a two-year, $4.5 million US contract in August.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Report: NHL to set deadline

TSN.ca Staff
2/9/2005

There might be a drop-dead date to the NHL season after all.

According to a report in the Los Angeles Times, the league is prepared to issue a deadline of Monday or Tuesday to reach a labour agreement with the NHL Players' Association before canceling what's left of the 2004-05 season.

Sources told the paper that the league will contact the NHLPA today or tomorrow and inform them of the timeline.

The league reportedly has three different schedules with 28, 30 and 32 games and would need a deal early next week in order to start the season around February 25.

When asked about starting the season late yesterday, Brett Hull held nothing back.

"It would be ridiculous," Hull told TSN on Tuesday. "Both sides have come this far and battled so hard on what they believe needs to be done. The game has suffered so let's just call it a wash and start next year.

"We should just cancel (the season) now, get this thing done and let the teams prepare their staff, their season ticket and PR people and be ready."

While there does not seem to be much hope for negotiations, three players said last week they might accept a cap if it were higher than the NHL's proposed range of $32 million to $42 million.

If the league and union cannot work out a deal, the NHL will become the first major professional sports league to cancel an entire season. Through Wednesday, the league has lost 813 games.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
NHLPA rejects another NHL proposal

Canadian Press
2/9/2005

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL season will be cancelled unless the two sides can start putting pen to paper on a labour agreement this weekend, commissioner Gary Bettman said Wednesday.

The message came after the NHL Players' Association turned down what the league called a "compromise" offer at a secret meeting on Wednesday, initiated by the NHL.

"It is clear to me that if we're not working on a written document memorializing our agreement this weekend, I don't see how we can play any semblance of the season," Bettman told a news conference.

"And that was a message that I conveyed to the union this afternoon."

Bettman, who said he came to that decision after speaking to his scheduling staff, brought a new proposal to the NHLPA.

Under the league's offer, the new collective bargaining agreement would begin with the union's Dec. 9 proposal - which featured a luxury tax - then evolve into the league proposal of Feb. 2 - based on a salary cap - if it was deemed that the union's model no longer worked.

And the NHL feels that's as good as it gets.

"One owner just said to me on the phone that this was an extremely generous offer," Bettman said. "And I think he may have been chastising me for it."

In short, the compromise league offer would be a hybrid system, starting with a luxury tax and eventually perhaps moving towards a cap.

NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow was less than impressed.

"The trigger points are just really reflections of their salary cap proposals," he said on a conference call Wednesday night.

Four so-called triggers would decide when the model would switch:

- If the league pays out more than 55 per cent of its revenues in salaries.

- If any three teams have a payroll of more than $42 million US

- If the average payroll of the three highest-spending teams is more than 33 per cent higher than the average of the three lowest spending teams.

- If average team compensation exceeds $36.5 million.

"Any one of those triggers would indicate we were spending too much, more than we could afford, or that the disparities among teams was too great," Bettman said.

"All of our proposals have been intended to create a framework where we're paying the players what we can afford to pay," he added. "We don't want to pay the players less than we can afford to pay and we're not prepared to pay more than we can afford to pay."

But Goodenow had no interest in the league's new idea.

"Our proposal of Dec. 9, we believe, would go a long way towards addressing their concerns as we understand them," Goodenow said.

"I don't know that a flip-flop arrangement really makes sense," he added. "It's not about a better deal being out there, it's about finding a fair deal."

Should the season be saved, Bettman said the NHL would play a 28-game season with each team playing a home-and-home series with its conference rivals. The playoff format would remain the same.

Bettman said the union invited he and Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, to stay the night in Toronto. More discussions were planned, perhaps for Wednesday night or Thursday in the hopes of producing a last-minute agreement.

The league and union had not met since talks broke off last Friday in New York. This time, however, outside counsel Bob Batterman (NHL) and John McCambridge (NHLPA) were left behind.

Only Bettman, Daly, Goodenow and NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin were in Wednesday's meeting.

Goodenow and Bettman rejoined the talks last Thursday after missing five negotiating sessions last month.

Most hockey fans and many players have already resigned themselves to no hockey this year but the league is trying to salvage what's left of a possible season. If a deal were to be reached this weekend, a shortened season would likely begin late this month.

So much has already been lost.

The NHL playoffs were slated to begin in just over nine weeks. As it stands, 813 of the 1,230 games scheduled for the regular season have gone by the wayside through Wednesday. The all-star game in Atlanta was supposed to be Sunday.

Bettman apologized to hockey fans and those who make their livelihood from hockey.

"This has just been a very difficult, frustrating progress and again we're sorry we have to go through it. But we had no choice. That's the reality of where we find ourselves."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
NHLPA rejects another NHL proposal

Canadian Press
2/9/2005

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL said it was its best shot. The NHL Players' Association called it a sham.

Another offer rejected, and this time that may finally be it.

Both sides met for a late dinner Wednesday night and planned to speak again Thursday morning, but it appears the cancellation of the season is finally around the corner after the league announced a weekend deadline to get a deal on paper.

"The likelihood that we would be able to conclude an agreement by the end of the weekend? Very daunting," NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow said Wednesday night. "It would be very difficult."

So be it, said NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, warning the NHLPA that any future proposal won't get any better as the industry suffers through a wipe-out season.

"I think there will be a tremendous amount of damage, the amount of revenues will obviously decline if we don't play this season and therefore whatever the players would expect going forward is going to be diminished," he said at a news conference following a secret meeting with the union.

"The deal can only get worse, from a technical matter and as an economic matter, the longer we go without a new deal. That's not a threat, that's simply the reality of where we find ourselves."

It's a chance the players are willing to take, Goodenow said.

"It's really not whether there's a better deal or a worse deal, it's the right deal, it's the fair deal - we've always been focused on those principles," Goodenow said on a conference call Wednesday night.

"What we're looking for is the right deal. The players are absolutely focused on that."

Under the league's new offer, the collective bargaining agreement would begin with the union's Dec. 9 proposal - which featured a luxury tax - then evolve into the league proposal of Feb. 2 - based on a salary cap - if it was deemed that the union's model no longer worked.

Four so-called triggers would decide when the model would switch:

- If the league pays out more than 55 per cent of its revenues in salaries.

- If any three teams have a payroll of more than $42 million US.

- If the average payroll of the three highest-spending teams is more than 33 per cent higher than the average of the three lowest spending teams.

- If average team compensation exceeds $36.5 million.

The way Goodenow sees it, the switch would happen right after the shortened season.

"Even after our 24 per cent rollback and before clubs would sign any new players, we forecast over three teams would be over the $42-million level. So just at first blush, a trigger would be met," he argued.

The league says it's premature to try and determine if those triggers would be attained right away. In the end, it's another battle on numbers, something the two sides have been doing for over two years.

Bettman stands by the league's effort to compromise.

"We really gave this our best shot. This is what we believe we need," Bettman said. "One owner just said to me on the phone that this was an extremely generous offer," Bettman added. "And I think he may have been chastising me for it."

But Goodenow called the offer an "ill-conceived concept" and made it clear the union would not re-visit it.

"The league's proposal today was a transparent attempt to impose on our Dec. 9 proposal the effects of their twice-rejected Feb. 2 triple-cap proposal," he said. "The NHL knows our Dec. 9 proposal was never designed to meet the effects of their triple-cap proposal and at least one of the stipulated events would be immediately triggered."

So what now? One thing is certain, the union won't come armed with a counter-proposal Thursday.

"We'll have conversations about these difficult areas and see if we can't come up with an idea, a framework or a mechanism for some common ground," Goodenow said.

But it's the failure to find that common ground that prompted the league to come up with the idea for their new offer.

"We don't seem to be able to come up with a middle ground or third way to do this. It's not that we haven't tried," Bettman said.

But in the end, cost certainty remains a key, and that's why the triggers lead to a salary cap.

"We don't want to have a future where we are spending more than we can afford," Bettman said. "We've had enough of that."

Short of a miracle agreement that neither side believes is a good bet at this point, Bettman will indeed hold a news conference to officially cancel the season, putting to rest the rumours that the league would never formally do so.

"I believe that I owe it to our fans, our business partners, all the people that work in and about the game, that I'm going to have to make an official announcement," Bettman said.

Should the season be saved, Bettman said the NHL would play a 28-game season with each team playing a home-and-home series with its conference rivals. The playoff format would remain the same. The season would start in the last week on this month.

So much has already been lost.

The NHL playoffs were slated to begin in just over nine weeks. As it stands, 813 of the 1,230 games scheduled for the regular season have gone by the wayside through Wednesday. The all-star game in Atlanta was supposed to be Sunday.

Bettman apologized to hockey fans and those who make their livelihood from hockey.

"This has just been a very difficult, frustrating progress and again we're sorry we have to go through it. But we had no choice. That's the reality of where we find ourselves."

The league and union had not met since talks broke off last Friday in New York. This time, however, outside counsel Bob Batterman (NHL) and John McCambridge (NHLPA) were left behind.

Only Bettman, executive vice-president Bill Daly, Goodenow and NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin were in Wednesday's meeting.

Goodenow and Bettman rejoined the talks last Thursday after missing five negotiating sessions last month.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
NHL talks resume in Toronto

Canadian Press
2/10/2005

TORONTO (CP) - NHL labour talks resumed in Toronto on Thursday with a weekend deadline looming to craft a last-ditch agreement.

Sources indicated Thursday's meeting began at 11 a.m. EST at the league's Toronto office. It came on the heels of a late dinner the night before with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, executive vice-president Bill Daly, NHL Players' Association executive director Bob Goodenow and NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin.

The union rejected the NHL's latest offer Wednesday, a deal that would have seen the collective bargaining agreement begin with the NHLPA's Dec. 9 proposal - which featured a luxury tax and revenue-sharing - then evolve into the league proposal of Feb. 2 - based on a salary cap - if it was deemed that the union's model no longer worked.

That would be decided by four specific triggers.

The union maintains at least one if not two of those would kick in right away, rendering the league's offer unacceptable.

Still Goodenow invited the league for more talks, hoping to find a way to reach an agreement before it's too late. Bettman said if a deal was not put down on paper, or their lawyers weren't drafting the agreement by the weekend, then he would have to cancel the season.

Such an announcement would likely come Monday or Tuesday.

Should the season be saved, Bettman said the NHL would play a 28-game season, which would begin late this month, with each team playing a home-and-home series with its conference rivals. The playoff format would remain the same.

As it stands, 824 of the 1,230 games scheduled for the regular season have gone by the wayside through Thursday. The all-star game in Atlanta was supposed to be Sunday.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
They just killed their sport. There is no way it will be as popular when it returns as it was after last year. I was really getting into it and I think a lot of Americans were gaining interest (seeing how basketball is getting very boring). Now it comes to the point where people don't care. I hope the players aren't holding out in hopes that the fans and the public will have a huge outcry and demand that the season be played next year or that the masses of people will come support the players. What the NHLPA fails to realize is that nobody (not even a majority of the "fans") really care anymore.

e.g. 75% of yahoo sports votes think it's not even worth it to have a season anymore. I was also reading a report where they polled over 1000 Canadians ranging from "fanatics" to "not caring" and found that even amount the fanatics that roughly 60% didn't really care anymore.
 
Lockout talks take a turn for the worse

TSN.ca Staff/CP files
2/10/2005

The already bleak prospects for an NHL season have taken yet another turn for worse, possibly for the final time.

Talks broke off after three hours on Thursday and sources told TSN little progress was made. That was confirmed by Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, who held a press conference after the meetings broke off.

"It's disappointing," Daly said. "We are absolutely disappointed with where we are (today)."

"I hoped at the end of the day that reason would prevail, that we would find some common ground... but that hasn't happened."

Daly said the the four trigger points that were part of a new proposal put forth by the NHL on Wednesday were not even discussed on Thursday. In addition, Daly said no new ground was covered, either.

The league says no new talks are scheduled and none are expected. Yesterday, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said they must be well on their way to writing up a new CBA on the weekend or the season would be cancelled, and Daly said the league remains committed to the deadline.

"Nothing today transpired to change that timetable," he said.

"We made every effort to get something done eith the players association ... We don't have anything left at this point."

It's been speculated Bettman may cancel what's left of the 2004-05 season - he maintains there is still time to play a 28-game season - as early as the beginning of next week, if not sooner.

As it stands, 824 of the 1,230 games scheduled for the regular season have gone by the wayside through Thursday. The all-star game in Atlanta was supposed to be Sunday.

NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin is slated to address the media at 5 pm et at the union head office to present that side's point of view.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
IMO, this was a BRILLIANT move by Bettman. He offers to go with their much hyped plan of salary rollbacks and the whole deal the NHLPA wanted, but puts in a stipulation that if it doesn't work, they will go with the NHL's cap proposition. Of course, the NHLPA refuses the offer because they know eventually their plan will meet the conditions that will make the CBA they want invalid, and the NHL's salary cap one would take over. Now, when the season is cancelled, they can go to the US Labor relations board and say "Look, we offered to go with their proposal even, and they refused", and the NHLPA will look like it is being unreasonable, and help them rule in the NHL's favor.

IMO...smart, smart move.

🙂

Fvck the NHLPA.

Seconded.

I'll take it a step further and say I'd like to see Goodenow take a puck to the face. 😉
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Sportscenter: NHLPA willing to negotiate cap w. no linkage.
HOLY FVCK HOLY FVCK...

I can't find sh!t on this info though... damn college basketball.. nothing online either.
 
Interesting....but will the NHL take a cap without linkage?

In other news...AHL Super Skills is tomorrow night, and the All-Star game is on Monday....got my tickets ready!

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Interesting....but will the NHL take a cap without linkage?

In other news...AHL Super Skills is tomorrow night, and the All-Star game is on Monday....got my tickets ready!

🙂
omg, you're so lucky to be going! I love the format. Both squads are awesome but I think Planet USA is going to get pwned. Spezza is having an good season, I watched him play for the Windsor Spitfires a couple years back and I knew he was going to be something (well, who didn't). He stood out big time - what a playmaker. He's so good at picking pockets on the forecheck too - man I miss hockey.
 
Yeah....the Monarchs got the game this year, and our coach is coaching the Planet USA team. As a season ticket holder, I got my seat automatically. I'm only about 5 rows back from the glass, on the blue line, right behind the visitor bench. We always have fun heckling certain players/coaches. I remember one night it got nasty with the Hartford coach.....god I hate that guy.

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
Sportscenter: NHLPA willing to negotiate cap w. no linkage.
HOLY FVCK HOLY FVCK...

I can't find sh!t on this info though... damn college basketball.. nothing online either.

Nothing has materialized from it - so we'll see. I don't think it's gonna happen.
 
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