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Aquaman

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McKenzie: Too early to get excited

TSN.ca Staff
12/3/2004

I'm not the least bit surprised by the timing of the NHLPA's announcement Thursday about submitting a new Collective Bargaining Agreement proposal to the league next Thursday. We've been hearing for a few weeks that the NHLPA would be making a proposal to the National Hockey League, and that is going to happen next week.

Everyone knew that December was going to be a crucial month, especially in determining a drop-dead date for the NHL. We all knew that if there were no negotiations in December, the season would likely be lost.

So I'd like to say I'm cautiously optimistic about the upcoming offer, but that may be over-stating the case. We just don't know exactly what's going to be in the NHLPA's proposal.

However, we do know what's not going to be in it. Cost certainlty and linkages between revenue and salary are not going to be in the offer.

To date, the NHL has been completely inflexible on those points, saying it's cost certainty or bust, so their reaction to the upcoming proposal will be interesting, as will the proposal itself.

In any case, I think its a little early to get excited. Talking is better than not talking at all, but we're still a long way from finding some common ground.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Players cautiously optimistic over talks

TSN.ca Staff
12/3/2004

The NHL's decision to accept the NHLPA's invitation to resume collective bargaining talks has left players cautiously optimistic that a new deal can be worked out in time to save the season.

Dallas Stars winger Bill Guerin, one of six union vice presidents who will be in attendance in Toronto next week, says he has seen drafts of the proposal and believes there's a good chance it could save the season.

"I can't get into specifics, but I believe we are going to be fair to the NHL, fair to the union and offer a system that will work," he tells the Dallas Morning News.

"Just getting back to the table would be exciting," he Guerin added. "There's time, if we can just start talking."

The union's last offer, which was submitted September 9, included provisions for a luxury tax which would kick in at 20 cents on the dollar for payrolls over $40 million US. The new proposal is believed to include a tax of 75 cents on the dollar on payrolls of $40-million.

Colorado Avalanche defenseman Bob Boughner, a member of the NHLPA executive committee, believes it will be hard for the league to turn down this latest offer.

"We believe this new one will be fair to everyone involved, and will benefit everyone involved," Boughner tells the Denver Post. "We feel it's a great proposal that solves everyone's concerns."

Earlier this week, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said any luxury tax proposal would be unacceptable. He has repeatedly said that any new deal would have to involve "cost certainty" - a fixed link between players costs and league revenues. The union calls that a salary cap.

Nashville Predators player rep Scott Walker says fans shouldn't expect any radical changes to emerge from the union's offer.

"I think we'll probably tweak some things and add some things," Walker tells the Tennessean. "But will there be cost certainty? Probably not. I know there won't be a salary cap."

Walker said he expects the league will reject the offer outright, adding "that seems to be their history".

"I'd hate to say this is our final offer, but we're trying our best. This will be our third try, to really none on their part."

New York Islanders forward Michael Peca says he doesn't know what's in the new proposal but suggested that conceding some of the one-sidedness of salary arbitration could be a bargaining tool.

"Salary arbitration is something we've had the benefit of," Peca tells New York's Newsday. "Maybe giving the owners the right to take players to arbitration is something to look at."

But Peca adds he's not optimistic next week's talks will go anywhere, citing the league's treatment of the players' previous proposals.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Insane3D

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Sort of OT from the thread, but I noticed over in hot deals that NHL.com is having a fire sale on all their jerseys. I just got a LA Kings KOHO replica for $35. The authentics are like $75.

:)
 

oogabooga

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i want a sharks third with a name though, and it's like 120 :(

i hope they salvage the season, this bullsh-t has gone long enough.
 

Insane3D

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Yeah, I don't mind a blank one, it's not a deal with a name. Thing is, nowadays, as soon as you get a name/number on it, that player will be traded. :|

I already have a LA alternate that I wear to most Monarchs games (their jerseys suck), but it was like $90...$35 for the purple/black LA jersey is a steal.
 

Aquaman

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NHL accepts PA meeting request

Written with NHL, CP files
12/2/2004

The National Hockey League has accepted an invitation from NHLPA Executive Director Bob Goodenow to attend a meeting in Toronto next Thursday, December 9, and possibly, Friday, December 10.

"We look forward to meeting with the NHL Players' Association next week," said Bill Daly, NHL Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer. "We are hopeful that the NHLPA's offer will be a meaningful effort to address the League's economic problems. When we receive the proposal, we will evaluate it closely and respond appropriately."

The Players' Association issued a release that said, in part: "The letter also confirms that the NHLPA is working on a new proposal which it believes should provide the basis for a new collective bargaining agreement."

This will be the first meeting between the sides since September 9th.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Union working on offer for NHL

Associated Press
12/3/2004

NEW YORK (CP) - The NHL Players' Association is working on a proposal that will see players give up serious concessions in a bid to salvage the season.

But what the union tables to the NHL next Thursday will definitely not contain a fixed link between player costs and league revenues _ a salary cap.

One wonders if NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow mentioned that when he sat down to lunch with commissioner Gary Bettman on Friday.

The union offer is expected to feature major givebacks in other areas, but the key will be the payroll tax. The union's offer Sept. 9 had a tax that charged 20 cents on the dollar for payrolls over $40 million US, which the league labelled as ''window dressing.'' Money generated by the tax would then be shared among the teams.

The union has been tight-lipped about its new proposal, in part because it is still putting the finishing touches to it. But the popular figure being thrown around is that the new payroll tax would charge 75 cents on the dollar for payrolls exceeding $40 million.

There are other new wrinkles to the package, one that the union believes will make it very hard for Bettman to tell his owners to unilaterally reject it.

While the league wants cost certainty, it would surely appreciate other concessions, especially when it comes to salary arbitration, qualifying offers for restricted free agents, and have another look at unrestricted free agency. Major changes to salary arbitration, a mechanism that helped salaries spiral out of control, would win the union a lot of points with the league.

The league, meanwhile, may come to the talks armed with a counter-proposal.

''I wouldn't rule anything out, it really depends on what we get,'' Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, said after the GMs' dinner meeting wrapped up Thursday in Manhattan. ''We may not be in a position to counter-propose in 24 hours (after the first meeting), but on the other hand we might. It all depends on what they offer us.''

At the very least, if the union offer is as strong as it is being labelled, the two sides may finally sit down and stay in the boardroom for a few weeks in an attempt to hammer out a new deal. It sure beats 2 months of inactivity.

The clock continues to tick on saving this season. Not that anyone south of the border really seems to care.

Take this week's Monday Night Football as an example. With two minutes left in the game, ABC flashed graphics to compare Brett Favre's durability as an NFL quarterback, showing the consecutive games leaders in Major League Baseball, then the NBA, and then ... nothing.

So much for the Big Four.

As the NHL and NHLPA prepare to re-open bargaining talks, that omission on Monday Night Football should be a stark reminder just how damaging not having a season this year could be.

Out of sight, out of mind _ can the NHL survive an entire year without hockey in a country that doesn't seem to care it's not operating right now?

''The lockout and the progress in the negotiations hasn't been highlighted by the U.S. media,'' allowed Daly. ''But again, I don't view that necessarily as a lack of interest as opposed to, first of all, there hasn't been a whole lot to report on, and two, where we are is not really a big surprise to anybody who follows the game because everyone understood that this would be a real possibility.

''They'll be covering us when we come back.''

Some of them did show up to Thursday night's GMs meeting with Bettman and Daly at a posh Italian eatery in Manhattan. Scribes from the New York Times, New York Post and Philadelphia Inquirer were there, among others.

''This is the first hockey story in our paper in three months,'' said one New York writer.

All the New York dailies had a reasonable story Friday on the NHL's labour developments, albeit not near the front of the section. To be fair, the story of the day was the steroid scandal in baseball.

Daly, however, reiterated Thursday night that a deal won't be done just for the sake of ''playing hockey games again.'' The league insists it won't open shop again until it gets a deal that affords them ''cost certainty,'' citing $1.8 billion US in losses it says owners sustained over the 10 years of the former collective bargaining agreement.

So in the meantime, the risk of becoming invisible in the U.S. is worth it.

''I don't think it's a major concern for us,'' Daly said. ''One, I know our fans are very passionate about the game. Two, I know our fans understand that there are real issues with respect to the financial challenges facing the game and they're looking for us to fix those challenges in this collective bargaining and that's what we're going to do.

''We're not concerned by the coverage or lack of coverage, however you want to categorize it.''

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Bettman, Goodenow meet in New York

TSN.ca Staff
12/3/2004

The NHL's decision to accept the NHLPA's invitation to resume collective bargaining talks has left players cautiously optimistic that a new deal can be worked out in time to save the season.

Those talks will resume Thursday in Toronto, but NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow met over lunch today in New York City. Sources told TSN that Goodenow requested the luncheon in yesterday's letter to Bettman.

Dallas Stars winger Bill Guerin, one of six union vice presidents who will be in attendance in Toronto next week, says he has seen drafts of the proposal and believes there's a good chance it could save the season.

"I can't get into specifics, but I believe we are going to be fair to the NHL, fair to the union and offer a system that will work," he tells the Dallas Morning News.

"Just getting back to the table would be exciting," he Guerin added. "There's time, if we can just start talking."

The union's last offer, which was submitted September 9, included provisions for a luxury tax which would kick in at 20 cents on the dollar for payrolls over $40 million US. The new proposal is believed to include a tax of 75 cents on the dollar on payrolls of $40-million.

Colorado Avalanche defenseman Bob Boughner, a member of the NHLPA executive committee, believes it will be hard for the league to turn down this latest offer.

"We believe this new one will be fair to everyone involved, and will benefit everyone involved," Boughner tells the Denver Post. "We feel it's a great proposal that solves everyone's concerns."

Earlier this week, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said any luxury tax proposal would be unacceptable. He has repeatedly said that any new deal would have to involve "cost certainty" - a fixed link between players costs and league revenues. The union calls that a salary cap.

Nashville Predators player rep Scott Walker says fans shouldn't expect any radical changes to emerge from the union's offer.

"I think we'll probably tweak some things and add some things," Walker tells the Tennessean. "But will there be cost certainty? Probably not. I know there won't be a salary cap."

Walker said he expects the league will reject the offer outright, adding "that seems to be their history".

"I'd hate to say this is our final offer, but we're trying our best. This will be our third try, to really none on their part."

New York Islanders forward Michael Peca says he doesn't know what's in the new proposal but suggested that conceding some of the one-sidedness of salary arbitration could be a bargaining tool.

"Salary arbitration is something we've had the benefit of," Peca tells New York's Newsday. "Maybe giving the owners the right to take players to arbitration is something to look at."

But Peca adds he's not optimistic next week's talks will go anywhere, citing the league's treatment of the players' previous proposals.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Doan: NHLPA proposal 'significant'

Canadian Press
12/4/2004

When the NHL meets with the NHLPA in New York on Thursday they may see a much different proposal then the one they last saw on September 9.

At a charity event in Aspen, Colorado, Phoenix Coyotes player representative Shane Doan told TSN the players have made tangible concessions in what is widely believed to be their last proposal.

"There is a significant move in a lot of areas, not just the luxury tax, but the salaries of players" Doan told TSN. "It's a great offer. You'll probably find a lot of players who think we're giving too much now."

The union offer is expected to feature major concessions, but the key will be the payroll tax. The union's offer Sept. 9 had a tax that charged 20 cents on the dollar for payrolls over $40 million US, which the league labeled as ''window dressing.'' Money generated by the tax would then be shared among the teams.

"This proposal answers all their questions, does everything they say they wanted," Doan added. "They wanted a drag on salaries, they wanted the average salary to come down - it's all there. The only things not in there are giving up guaranteed contracts and the salary cap. Those are the only things we haven't given them."

The new proposal is believed to include a tax of 75 cents on the dollar on payrolls of $40-million.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

venk

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The scary thing about this whole lockout is that it seems like No one cares. If baseball or basketball were locked out, we would have front page stores on it almost every day. Even here in Detroit, the lockout is a minor blip on the radar and rarely shows up on local sports radio or the newspaper.
 

Aquaman

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Big guns ready for Thursday meeting

Canadian Press
12/6/2004

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL and NHL Players' Association will have their full arsenal on hand for this week's labour talks.

Collective bargaining resumes for the first time since Sept. 9 when the two sides meet Thursday and possibly Friday at the NHL's Toronto offices.

NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow will be joined by senior director Ted Saskin, associate counsel Ian Pulver, outside counsel John McCambridge and the executive committee of active NHL players: president Trevor Linden, and vice-presidents Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Daniel Alfredsson, Bill Guerin, Trent Klatt and Arturs Irbe.

On the league side, commissioner Gary Bettman and executive vice-president Bill Daly will be joined by senior vice-president and general counsel David Zimmerman, outside counsel Bob Batterman as well as owners from their executive committee: Calgary Flames part-owner Harley Hotchkiss (chairman of the board), Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs (chairman of the finance committee), Nashville Predators owner Craig Leopold, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos and New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello.

It's the same group of people on both sides from the Sept. 9 meeting, missing only Minnesota Wild chairman Bob Naegele.

The union invited the league back to the negotiating table last Thursday with the lure of a new proposal, a work in progress that probably won't be done until Wednesday.

The offer is believed to contain serious concessions from the players, but still won't have the "cost certainty" the league is looking for. Bettman wants any new system to have a fixed link between players costs and league revenues, which the union labels a salary cap and says it will never accept.

Instead, the union is expected to offer up another payroll tax, this time with more teeth, as well as revenue sharing, changes to the entry-level system, changes to the qualifying offer process, and other unnamed givebacks.

Whether or not it's enough to keep talks going is the big question. Daly said last week the league may or may not offer a counter-proposal, depending on the union offer.

When the two sides sit down Thursday morning, 372 NHL games will have already gone by the wayside.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

Lifer
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Shanahan holds summit to improve NHL

Canadian Press
12/6/2004

TORONTO (CP) - Brendan Shanahan knows the NHL lockout will end one day. And when it does, the Detroit Red Wings star hopes fans will come back to a better game.

That's why he's organized a two-day hockey summit beginning here Tuesday with some of the game's biggest movers and shakers.

''I just thought it would be interesting to sit in a room together and discuss the game of hockey - just the game of hockey,'' Shanahan said over the phone Monday. ''I felt that when we do come back (from the lockout), we really need to get our focus back on the game of hockey.

''Regardless of what side you're on (in the labour talks), nobody is bigger than the game of hockey and I just wanted to put the focus back on the game.''

He hopes to come up with ideas on how to open up the game, increase offence - in short, improve the entertainment.

Shanahan, one of the best power forwards of his generation, is even footing the bill for his guests at the posh Four Seasons hotel in downtown Toronto.

''This was my idea and my responsibility. I'll gladly take that on,'' said Shanahan, who earned $6.5-million US last season.

The 35-year-old caught many by surprise with this meeting. He really hasn't been that vocal over the years about these kinds of issues, certainly not noticeable compared to the likes of Jeremy Roenick or Brett Hull.

But Shanahan felt the time was right to do something to help the game.

And he made sure he went through the proper channels before booking his hockey summit, speaking with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, NHL director of operations Colin Campbell, NHL Players' Association executive director Bob Goodenow and NHLPA president Trevor Linden before finalizing plans for his state-of-the-game meeting.

''Once I was comfortable that this was not going to interfere with the CBA process, I went forward,'' Shanahan said before boarding a flight in Boston to Toronto.

And by talking with Bettman and Campbell, Shanahan wanted to make it clear he wasn't trying to pooh-pooh the league's owns efforts in improving the game.

''I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes - I'm trying to add to the process,'' said Shanahan. ''And I just wanted to explain that to them.

''My intention here is not to one-up or sidestep anybody.''

Still this is Shanahan's show, not the union's. No one from the NHLPA or NHL hierarchy will be present.

Shanahan would not disclose the list of guests at his two-day meeting, only to say that it's a cross-section of the industry, including players, coaches, GMs, referees and television executives.

Montreal Canadiens GM Bob Gainey will definitely be there, the NHL club confirmed Monday, while Tampa Bay Lightning coach John Tortorella and veteran referee Bill McCreary are among those expected at the meeting. Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman turned down an invitation.

San Jose Sharks GM Doug Wilson was also invited but was likely to skip the meeting.

''I support what they are doing and I have talked to Brendan about it but at this point, I'm not sure if I can attend due to a prior commitment,'' Wilson said Monday night.

With the NHLPA and NHL resuming labour talks at the NHL's Toronto offices Thursday, it was important for Shanahan to re-assure everyone that the CBA was not on the table for his summit. This is about ways to make the on-ice product better.

And once he's done, he's got an appointment to keep.

''I've already been invited by Bob Goodenow and by Gary Bettman to meet with them after my meeting, to discuss some of the thoughts,'' Shanahan said. ''But I didn't create this meeting because I thought we would fix the NHL in two days with our small group. The greatest success that can come out of this meeting, because I have realistic expectations, is that I think we'll come up with some good ideas that will tweak the interest of the NHL and the union and really the best thing that can come out of this is that this continues with other players, other coaches, other general managers.

''I hope this is just the very first (meeting) in a long line. Let's continue to do this on a continual basis.''

One could easily understand if Campbell got his nose out of joint over this. After all, the league's hockey operations department has put in countless hours over the last few years in coming up with the new rules that were introduced in Henderson, Nev., last February, some of them in use this season in the AHL.

There was also a blue-ribbon panel of hockey experts, the likes of Bowman, Gainey, Mario Lemieux, Martin Brodeur, Kevin Lowe, Jacques Martin and Gary Roberts, invited by the league to New York last July 22 to discuss the new rules and other issues.

The new rules changes were put on hold by the labour conflict.

But Shanahan's phone call to Campbell may have diffused any ill-feelings created by the Detroit star's initiative.

''It's admirable and I wish them luck,'' Campbell said Monday.

''No one's afraid or put out by the fact that another group will be asking questions. That's good for hockey,'' he added.

Said Shanahan: ''There's no need for people to feel threatened by this meeting.''

Campbell offered Shanahan some advice.

''He asked me about running a meeting like this,'' said Campbell. ''He told me some of the topics they might be discussing and what my thoughts were on it. I told him these meetings weren't easy to run and that a lot of research needed to be done.''

With coaches, players, GMs and referees waiting out the lockout, Shanahan had no shortage of people with time on their hands.

''I wish I could have invited hundreds of people but for the sake of just getting something done, on just my little idea, the small scale of me, my fax machine and my computer, I kept the number down to 20,'' Shanahan said.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sort of OT from the thread, but I noticed over in hot deals that NHL.com is having a fire sale on all their jerseys. I just got a LA Kings KOHO replica for $35. The authentics are like $75.

:)
Damn, no AHL jerseys. :( Been looking for a phatty Pirates one for our team ... I think they look pretty sharp... if any of you guys know of a place for a Pirates third (aside from their site which goes for $85 ea.), I'd owe ya big.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
I'm praying that we can have half a season. I'm desperate here.

Me too, hopefully the Rangers stink up the joint and land Crosby.
Yeah while Jagr is still youn... ahh fuhgettaboutit. ;) You guys will never have a chance again.
 

Aquaman

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Doan criticizes Bettman's motives

TSN.ca Staff
12/7/2004

Two days before the NHL and NHLPA are set to sit down and discuss the collective bargaining agreement, commissioner Gary Bettman is once again in the crosshairs of the players.

Phoenix Coyotes player representative Shane Doan says Bettman's insistence on "cost certainty" has more to do with saving his job than saving the sport.

"I think it's almost solely that, I really do," Doan tells the Vancouver Province. "It boggles my mind how Gary has kept his job."

"I don't know what happened to him in the last lockout (1994). Maybe he feels embarrassed and is trying to prove himself in this one."

Doan's comments come on the heels of NHLPA executive Ted Saskin, who said players no longer respected Bettman.

Doan adds the offer which will be put on the table Thursday in Toronto goes beyond what has been speculated an is of real substance.

"This is a proposal that if (the owners) say no and won't flat-out negotiate, we can sleep at night because we're giving a lot back and doing everything we can to try and save the season," he says.

Doan indicated that the proposal might include a 10-percent rollback on salaries and a baseball-style arbitration system where the arbitrator is free to choose either the player or owner's offer. It's possible that owners will also be given the option of taking players to arbitration.

Doan says there are also changes in the qualifying offer and a luxury tax of 75 cents on the dollar on budgets over $40-million as well as harsh fines for teams exceeding a $60-million threshhold. As well, the entry-level salary cap for rookies has been trimmed to $850,000 from $1.2-million.

But Doan says the one this you won't find in the proposal is a hard salary cap.

"(The owners) don't want guaranteed contracts. What they want is, if they make a mistake, they want to be able to cut a guy and not have to worry about it."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Bettman speaks out on talks, Doan

Canadian Press
12/7/2004

TORONTO (CP) - League commissioner Gary Bettman quietly hit Toronto on Tuesday, meeting with Maple Leaf season-ticket holders and sponsors at Air Canada Centre in a private function not open to the media.

Bettman also met with the board of director of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment Ltd.

"The board of directors are very passionate about this game," Bettman said in an interview with LeafsTV, the digital channel owned by the NHL club. "The fans in Toronto can feel very good that the guardians of this franchise get it, love it, and care about it as nobody else. They had a lot of good questions they asked and we had a good, open dialogue."

The deep-pocketed Leafs are at the top of the list when it comes to clubs that clearly don't need a salary cap to make money, but Bettman said the ownership remains fully onside with the league's attempt to get `cost certainly' in a new deal with the NHL Players' Association.

"They know the importance of a healthy league and they're very supportive, fully supportive of what we're trying to accomplish in ensuring the future of our game," Bettman said.

Labour talks resume here on Thursday for the first time since Sept. 9. The union will table a proposal it says has plenty of concessions from the players, but no cap.

"If this is a real genuine attempt to move the process forward, than I'll be delighted," Bettman said of seeing the union's proposal Thursday. "If this is just an attempt at PR, then I'm not sure we will have advanced things."

Bettman also reacted to Shane Doan's comments from the previous day. The Phoenix Coyotes forward told the Vancouver Province that Bettman's insistence on `cost certainty' has more to do with saving his job than saving the sport.

"I think it's almost solely that, I really do," Doan told the Province. "It boggles my mind how Gary has kept his job.

"I don't know what happened to him in the last lockout (1994). Maybe he feels embarrassed and is trying to prove himself in this one."

Bettman didn't flinch when told of Doan's comments.

"In the course of collective bargaining, it's not uncommon for a union that's not getting what it wants to attack or have its members attack the negotiators on the other side," Bettman told LeafsTV. "And those are sounding like words of desperation on behalf of the union. But I don't make anything of it."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Shanahan pleased with hockey summit

Canadian Press
12/7/2004

TORONTO (CP) - Brendan Shanahan looked more like a businessman than power forward in his dapper black suit Tuesday, files and binders in hand as he wrapped up the first day of his hockey summit.

The Detroit Red Wings star sounded more than pleased halfway through his two-day summit at a downtown hotel with a cross-section of NHL industry types.

''I wouldn't say I was nervous, I would say I was excited,'' Shanahan said after his meeting wrapped up around dinner time. ''To see all the faces of the people that I had invited walk through those doors with binders of notes that they've been jotting down for the last two weeks, that got me.

''That was very encouraging in terms of the prospect of coming out with some good work in here.''

Shanahan organized the summit with the hope of finding ways to improve the game. It's a risky proposition given the politically charged climate in the NHL these days, especially with labour talks back on tap Thursday in Toronto.

''I think it's gutsy,'' said Montreal Canadiens GM Bob Gainey, one of 18 guests at the meeting Tuesday. ''Particularly in the situation we're in, with the NHL and NHLPA today.

''But I think it's very healthy. The people that where here today were sincere and had opinions and ideas.''

Also present Tuesday were star Toronto Maple Leafs players Mats Sundin and Alexander Mogilny, as well as Curtis Joseph of the Red Wings, Jim McKenzie of the Nashville Predators, Al MacInnis of the St. Louis Blues, James Patrick of the Buffalo Sabres, Sean Burke of the Philadelphia Flyers, former NHLer Andy Brickley, head coaches Marc Crawford of the Vancouver Canucks, Dave Tippett of the Dallas Stars and John Tortorella of the Stanley Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning, hockey television analysts Glenn Healy and John Davidson, TV executives John Shannon of LeafsTV and Tom McNeeley of ESPN, former GM and league executive Brian Burke and former referee Terry Gregson, who retired this past summer.

''It was a good exchange of views and it was neat to see the passion of the people in the room,'' said Gregson. ''There was some thinking outside the box, some thinking inside the box.''

The majority of the participants declined interviews, saying they would address the media after the meeting wraps up around 5:30 p.m. EST on Wednesday. Shanahan also refused to discuss specifics topics, only to say that the enforcement of existing NHL rules was a prominent subject.

That's why having Gregson present was important.

''From my perspective it was really good to be in there because a lot of things came up about standard of enforcement, officiating,'' Gregson said. ''`So (I could provide) a human perspective of some of the direction, the struggles we go through.

''There are situations where we (officials) look at the game and have the same types of questions they have. We're all together asking the same questions.''

Shanahan has a date with league commissioner Gary Bettman after the summit to share the group's findings.

''We don't think that the game is broken, by no means,'' Shanahan said. ''We're not trying to do a 180-degree turn with the game.

''We think it's a great game. But I think there are certain directions where it needs to be nudged back on track.''

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHLPA set to table proposal Thursday

Canadian Press
12/8/2004

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL Players' Association believes its new proposal has the goods to salvage the NHL season.

But the offer won't connect player costs to league revenues - a salary cap - when the NHL's leadership sees it for the first time Thursday.

And that's a problem for the league.

''I suppose I question how good it can be without that link (between player costs and league revenues),'' Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, said Wednesday from New York.

''But, again, we've said all along that we're prepared to look at and discuss and negotiate over anything they want to bring to the table. We just believe a linkage, especially given where we've been in the history of this collective bargaining agreement, is very important to righting the financial ship.''

The NHL says it lost $1.8 billion US over the 10-year run of the last CBA, including $273 million for the 2002-03 season and $224 million last season. The players dispute those figures.

As to the new proposal, the NHLPA was still putting the finishing touches to it Wednesday. It has kept a tight lid on what's in it, but here's what may be included:

- A payroll tax with more teeth. The Sept. 9 offer had a tax of 20 cents on the dollar for team payrolls over $40 million - a benchmark about half of the 30 teams exceeded last season. The new tax will be much higher than the 20 cents - which would have cost the Maple Leafs $4.5 million on a $62.5-million payroll last season. The NHLPA opts for this kind of salary-drag because it is a step short of a cap, still allowing a marketplace approach to salaries - and allowing rich owners to dig deep into their pockets if they so want.

- Revenue sharing: the tax money collected from the bigger-spending clubs gets distributed to the lower-spending clubs. This would appeal to have-not teams.

- Salary rollback on all existing player contracts, more than the five per cent offered Sept. 9. This offers a direct cash return to owners, appealing directly to their bottom line.

- Changes to the entry-level system that will scale back the rookie cap. This will save the owners money, especially since the current system was full of holes with regards to bonuses.

- Changes to the salary arbitration system. This could involve a baseball-style process where the two sides come in with more realistic demands.

- Changes to the qualifying offer process; in the last agreement, qualifying offers had to be at least 110 per cent of last year's salary for any player who earned less than the league's average salary. The union is expected to lower that percentage, a measure that should help teams keep their talent at a lower cost.

''We feel we've moved quite a bit,'' NHLPA vice-president Daniel Alfredsson told Ottawa reporters Tuesday. ''If they say there's nothing to talk about, well, then there isn't anything to talk about. (The proposal) is not going to get much better. This is pretty much the full deal.''

Still, the league wants a system that guarantees player costs won't take up more than 53 per cent of league revenues. The union's offer won't do that. But if the concessions in all other areas are strong enough, both sides may finally start negotiating.

''It's my belief that they'll take a good look and it will definitely start the process,'' Alfredsson said. ''I think that, once they look it through, they'll see it's something they can work with.''

The proposal is touted to save owners well over $200 million next season.

''We are looking forward to the meeting tomorrow and are very confident that our proposal will provide a basis to end the owners' lockout and resume NHL hockey with a new CBA that can work for both owners and players,'' NHLPA president Trevor Linden said Wednesday.

Realistically, the best hope for hockey fans is that the proposal is strong enough to at least keep both sides in a board room over the next few weeks. That would be an achievement in itself given that Thursday will mark three months to the day that the two sides last negotiated.

''I think it would be a good result if as a result of tomorrow's meeting we will begin real negotiations,'' agreed Daly. ''And I use the term real, because I don't believe any of our meetings to date have resulted in bona-fide, legitimate collective bargaining negotiations.

''And I would say without hesitation that's not because of anything we've done in the process.''

The two sides are meeting at the NHL's Toronto office at 11 a.m. EST. The union invited the league back to the negotiating table last Thursday with the lure of a new offer.

''I'd like to be hopeful, I'd like to be optimistic,'' said Daly. ''We're going to go into this with a fairly open mind and hope they come to the table with something that is meant to address the issues that are facing the game.''

Commissioner Gary Bettman told Leafs TV on Tuesday night that if the union's offer was ''a real genuine attempt to move the process forward, than I'll be delighted. If this is just an attempt at PR, then I'm not sure we will have advanced things.''

NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said this was in no way is a PR exercise.

''This proposal is an attempt to get a deal done, and I'm confident that it will in no way be construed as anything other than that,'' Saskin said Wednesday.

Saskin, NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow, associate counsel Ian Pulver and outside counsel John McCambridge were still working on the proposal Wednesday along with Linden and the rest of the executive committee of active NHL players: vice-presidents Alfredsson, Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Bill Guerin, Trent Klatt and Arturs Irbe - all of whom will be present at the meeting Thursday.

In the meantime, time is running out to salvage a season. When the two sides sit down Thursday morning, 372 of this season's 1,230 games will have already gone by the wayside.

But Daly insisted Wednesday the league does not have a drop-dead date to salvage a season.

''No, not really,'' he said. ''If one of the goals is to play hockey this season, then as each day goes by and the calendar has turned to December, than the possibility and probability of that declines. I'm hopeful we can start serious negotiations, because in the absence of serious negotiations, there's no chance for hockey this year.''

Bettman and Daly will be joined at Thursday's meeting by senior vice-president and general counsel David Zimmerman, outside counsel Bob Batterman as well as owners from their executive committee: Calgary Flames part-owner Harley Hotchkiss (chairman of the board), Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs (chairman of the finance committee), Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos and New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello.

It's the same group from the Sept. 9 meeting, missing only Minnesota Wild chairman Bob Naegele, who was invited but had a scheduling conflict.

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They are not meeting tomorrow, but will meet next week. "Little progress." We're f***ked