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Deal to end NHL lockout reached: U.S. newspaper
WebPosted Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:12:55 EDT
CBC Sports

An American newspaper is reporting the NHL and its players' union have reached a tentative deal that could lead to the end of the 10-month hockey lockout.

* INDEPTH: Faceoff 2004-05

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the 2004-05 season on Feb. 16. (CP Photo)

In its Thursday edition, the Los Angeles Times said details of the agreement will be presented to the league and the players at separate meetings Monday.

The Times quoted unnamed sources as saying the new collective agreement will include:

* A hard salary cap linked to 54 per cent of league revenue.
* A 24 per cent rollback of existing player contracts.
* A clause that limits the salary of any single player to one-fifth of the team cap figure in any given season.

If this new collective agreement is approved, the salary cap would amount to $37 million US per team for the coming season, not counting medical, dental or pension plan benefits, the Times reported.

The tentative deal also specifies there would be no all-star game next season, and that players would be allowed to leave their teams next February to represent their home countries at the 2006 Olympics in Turin, Italy.

The NHL Players Association was locked out last Sept. 16 because the two sides could not come to an agreement. The 2004-05 hockey season was officially cancelled on Feb. 16.
 
Wow, no all-star game? Not that it's the biggest news there, but wow. I guess most people don't really care for it anyway, but I enjoy the skills competitions.

24% rollback eh.... well, hopefully reality has set in for the majority of players. This is a realistic representation of what they are worth and shows the slight advantage other major sports have in marketing and revenue.

:thumbsup: come on back hockey, i need ya buddy :'(

edit: good post IronWoode
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Wow, no all-star game? Not that it's the biggest news there, but wow. I guess most people don't really care for it anyway, but I enjoy the skills competitions.

24% rollback eh.... well, hopefully reality has set in for the majority of players. This is a realistic representation of what they are worth and shows the slight advantage other major sports have in marketing and revenue.

:thumbsup: come on back hockey, i need ya buddy :'(

edit: good post IronWoode
:thumbsup:

😀

 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode

The tentative deal also specifies there would be no all-star game next season, and that players would be allowed to leave their teams next February to represent their home countries at the 2006 Olympics in Turin, Italy.

Need to defend our Olympic Gold. 😀

Oh, found this on TSN:

Lockout not settled yet


TSN.ca Staff



7/7/2005 9:05:51 AM

The NHL lockout continues to dwindle down to its final days and hours, but the new deal between the NHL and NHL Players' Association is not yet done, despite a report in the Los Angeles Times suggesting an agreement has been reached.

"It's an inaccurate report," an NHLPA spokesman told TSN.

This long and drawn out process won't actually be complete until every "i" has been dotted and every "t" has been crossed and representatives of the NHL and NHLPA sign off on the agreement, pending ratification.

And that moment, sources tell TSN, is definitely not going to happen today. The earliest projections of when that might occur are some time this weekend, although sources close to the NHLPA are suggesting it could easily carry into next week. The NHL has been targeting this weekend as the wrap up and even scheduled an NHL board of governors' executive committee meeting on Monday in New York City.

But that executive committee meeting will only happen as scheduled if the agreement is reached before then.

It should, however, be duly noted that the NHL and NHLPA have reached agreement on most, if not all, critical issues in the new CBA and these final days of meetings in New York are all about the lawyers doing their job vis a vis language and legalities. But until such time that both sides sign off on the document, pending ratification, there's no deal. It's an all or nothing process.

The Times reported some details of what it believes will be in the new accord. One of them was that when the NHL entry draft lottery is held to determine order of selection that every team will have an equal chance -- one in 30 -- of getting the first overall pick and the right to choose phenom Sidney Crosby.

Sources tell TSN that when the lottery is conducted, it will be a slightly weighted lottery, giving the teams that have performed poorly over the last three or four seasons a slightly better chance than those who have performed well.
 
NHL labour talks to resume this weekend

Canadian Press
7/8/2005 5:52:08 PM

The NHL and NHL Players' Association will continue talks this weekend after meeting for a fifth straight day in New York on Friday as they continued to inch closer to a collective bargaining agreement.

A deal could be reached as soon as this weekend but more likely early next week.

The two sides have met 78 times overall - nine consecutive weeks - since commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the 2004-05 season Feb. 16.

Bettman has summoned the NHL's executive committee to New York for an update Monday, something he has done routinely during the lockout. This time they'll probably be asked to look at the deal at hand, a six-year agreement that will look something like this depending on last-minute changes:

- Team salary cap set for next season between $37 million and $39 million US at the upper limit with a minimum of between $21 million and $24 million.

- Players salaries cannot - on a league-wide basis - take up more than 54 per cent of revenues; next season's cap is based on the projection of between $1.7 billion to $1.8 billion in revenues for next season, down from the $2.1 billion in 2003-04. In ensuing years, the cap levels will be decided by the previous year's revenues. This can cut two ways: if revenues grow in future years, the cap will move upward in the players' favour, perhaps much higher than the $42.5-million hard cap offered by the league before the season was cancelled; but if the NHL gets hammered by the fallout from the lockout, the cap could be even lower than $37 million for the 2006-07 season.

- All existing player contracts will be rolled back 24 per cent, which also includes all qualifying offers this summer for restricted free agents.

- No player can earn more than 20 per cent of his team's salary cap. Under a $37-million cap, that means no player can earn more than $7.4 million next season. Jaromir Jagr ($8.36 million), Keith Tkachuk ($7.6 million), Alexei Yashin ($7.6 million) and Nicklas Lidstrom ($7.6 million) are all above that right now, and that includes the 24 per cent rollback.

- Players will place a yet-to-be determined percentage of their salaries into escrow at the start of the season until after the year when revenues can be determined and the 54 per cent rate can be figured out; either the teams or the players will get money back, depending whether the rate is above or below 54 per cent.

- Revenue-sharing where the top 10 money-making clubs donate to a fund shared by the bottom 10 teams.

- The entry-level system will limit those players to $850,000 a year in salary (which it was 10 years ago) with bonuses not as easily reachable as the previous deal.

- The age of unrestricted free agency will remain 31 this summer but will gradually be brought down to 27 or 28 by the 2008.

- Two-way salary arbitration. Both players and owners can select to go to arbitration, whereas only players had those rights in the previous deal. This will allow owners to downgrade underperforming players.

- The ability for teams to buy players out of their contracts at two thirds of their value. This is meant to help teams fit under the cap but the clubs won't be able to re-sign those players.

- Participation in the February 2006 Olympics in Turin, Italy.

Once a tentative deal is announced, both sides still need to ratify the deal. A board of governors' meeting will be called where all 30 owners will need to approve the deal. A vote of the 700-plus NHLPA membership will also be needed. All of which may take more than a week before the deal is officially ratified.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
NHL labour talks to continue Sunday

Canadian Press
7/9/2005 4:38:23 PM

NEW YORK (CP) - The NHL and NHL Players' Association will continue talks Sunday as they move closer to completing a new collective bargaining agreement.

They met Saturday for the sixth straight day in New York and a deal could be announced as early as Monday.

The two sides have met 79 times overall - over nine consecutive weeks - since commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the 2004-05 season Feb. 16.

Bettman has summoned the NHL's executive committee to New York for an update Monday, something he has done routinely during the lockout.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Legace lets loose on NHLPA strategy

Associated Press
7/9/2005 10:59:43 PM

DETROIT (AP) - Red Wings goaltender Manny Legace ripped the executive director of the player's association Saturday and bemoaned the loss of the NHL's 2004-05 season and his former coach.

''We lost a season for no reason,'' Legace told The Associated Press in a wide-ranging interview. ''We should've crumbled last September when the owners wanted a salary cap.''

Despite at least one report indicating the league's labour situation is essentially resolved, the NHL and the players' association deny that is true.

The Los Angeles Times, citing anonymous sources close to the negotiations, said Thursday the agreement would feature a hard salary cap linked to 54 percent of league revenue, a 24 per cent rollback of existing contracts and qualifying offers.

The salary cap would be $37 million US and wouldn't include medical and dental benefits and pension payments, the newspaper reported.

''They're not going to announce anything until it's 100-per cent finished and I'm sure they're not going to do it before the all-star game,'' said Legace, referring to baseball's midsummer classic Tuesday night in Detroit. ''I'm hearing it's all but done and the lawyers have been looking over it, and that it could take 14 to 20 days.''

Legace said NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow did a great job negotiating for the players in 1994, but failed them during the current negotiations.

''It makes no sense what we ended up doing,'' Legace said. ''For years, Bob was telling us, `No cap. Owners aren't telling us the truth about their books.' Then out of nowhere, he gives the owners a 24-per cent rollback and it looked like we were panicking.

''Then after saying we wouldn't even consider a salary cap, he backed down on that at the last minute just before the lockout. It was too late, and now we're taking a worse deal.''

Legace said when he was a players' representative for the Red Wings during the 2003-04 season, he publicly said the union should accept a salary cap.

''Bob came to one of our games and screamed at me in our dressing room after I said that,'' Legace said. ''He freaked out on me. He thought I was showing a sign of weakness.''

NHLPA spokesman Jonathan Weatherdon said the union declined to respond to Legace's comments.

Commissioner Gary Bettman cancelled the season Feb. 16 because of the lockout, which started Sept. 16. The NHL became the first major pro sports league in North America to lose an entire season to a labour dispute.

The Red Wings announced on Friday that Dave Lewis would not return as coach, paving the way for former Anaheim coach Mike Babcock to come to Detroit.

''Lewie was everybody's good friend,'' Legace said. ''It was hard for him to lay down the law and maybe guys got too comfortable.''

Legace said Lewis couldn't have been more different from Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman, who retired after leading Detroit to the 2002 Stanley Cup.

''Scotty hated the world and treated everybody the same, from me to Steve Yzerman,'' Legace said. ''Scotty would rip anybody, and had the personality of an ant.

''Dave was a great guy and we respected him, but we didn't fear him like we did Scotty. If you could've put a little of Scotty's demeanour into Dave, you'd have the absolute perfect coach.''

The Red Wings are expected to hire Babcock, though an announcement won't come until after the all-star game.

''I don't know Babcock from a hole in the ground, other than the phenomenal job he did against us in the playoffs,'' Legace said. ''Guys that played for him say he's a tough coach. Maybe that's what we need.''

With the players already conceding a 24 per cent rollback, Legace said NHL teams should cut ticket prices by the same percentage.

''It would be a great boost for public relations,'' he said. ''Teams like the Red Wings will be spending about $40 million on payroll instead of $75, so they should give some of that money back to the fans.''

Red Wings spokesman John Hahn said each team sets its own ticket prices.

''We can't make any decisions until we see the new deal,'' Hahn said.

After a year without NHL hockey, Legace said the fans have been the big losers.

''I would just like to apologize to them because this didn't have to happen,'' he said.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
The New Deal
Here are terms of a new NHL collective bargaining agreement, according to a Los Angeles Times report on an agreement in principle. Both the league and its players union said Thursday that no agreement exists at this time.

New economic system

? A hard salary cap of $37 million linked to 54 percent of league revenue. The minimum payroll will be about $24 million with a provision that will limit the salary of any player to 20 percent of the team cap figure.

? A 24 percent rollback of existing contracts and qualifying offers.

? An NBA-style escrow provision under which 15 percent of each player's paycheck will go into an escrow account until revenue is calculated after each season. If league-wide spending on salaries exceeds 54 percent of revenue, the difference between the salaries paid and the negotiated percentage will be paid to teams from the escrow account.

? Players will be able to represent their homelands at the Turin Olympics next February. The All-Star Game will be dropped so there won't be two interruptions of the season.

? Each team will have an equal chance in the lottery for the No. 1 pick in this year's entry draft, with forward Sidney Crosby the obvious top prize.

? No luxury tax, but revenue sharing through a complex formula under which the top 10 revenue-earning teams will give a percentage of their revenue to small-market teams.

? Salary arbitration will be conducted ``baseball style,'' with each side presenting a figure and the arbitrator obligated to pick one figure or the other. Provisions will allow teams to walk away from a specified number of awards.

? Minimum age to qualify for unrestricted free agency will be 31 in the first year of the deal, 30 the following year and 28 for the remaining four years.

? Players' performance bonuses will be restricted according to a standardized formula.

? Earnings will be limited for entry-level players, who will be subject to salary limits for their first four seasons instead of three. Their maximum earnings will be $850,000.

? The largest unresolved issue is the disposition of contracts for the 2004-05 season.
 
So the draft pick lottery order won't be determined by a weighted ball system as previously reported ? Interesting. I just hope a powerhouse team doesn't get him... that would be a waste. Then again, a lot of players will be moving around soon... a lot. Teams will look completely different.
 
NHL and NHLPA to meet Monday morning

TSN.ca with CP files
7/11/2005 1:57:07 AM

NEW YORK - The NHL and NHL Players' Association met until late Sunday night as they attempted to close out a tentative deal.

The two sides have agreed to meet Monday morning to continue the talks.

The NHL's executive committee will meet Monday afternoon regardless of whether a deal is finalized - pending ratification - or not. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is slated to update the group on where things stand in the negotiations.

Sunday was the seventh consecutive day union and league officials met as they continued to draft the agreement and iron other issues. They've held 80 negotiating sessions since the season was cancelled on February 16.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
I think the B's should get Crosby, and dump Thornton... 😉

Wouldn't you guys like seeing him back with Bergeron?

Boston will never trade Thornton though would they? That would be one crazy deal though. Did Crosby & Bergeron play together in junior? Man, they must have had some great coaching where ever they played to turn into such fine players.
 
They played well together at the world's too IIRC. As for Thornton, no, we probably would never trade him. However, since all the "poor me" "poor players" crap he spewed back before the season was cancelled as he was playing for $300K overseas and *gasp* carrying his own equipment, I probably will never go to a Bruins game again when he is on the ice. Same goes with Roenick...I used to love him, but after all that crap he spewed...fvck him. :|

 
I didn't catch any of those comments and I guess I'm glad.

I met Thornton's brother at a party once. It didn't go very well either! We were introduced by a friend, and the guy started really coming on to my wife (then girlfriend), and I shoved him. Pretty retarded, I know. That's my Thornton connection 😛

My team is pretty far away (Oiler fan living in Ontario)... so at least you have the luxury of cheering for yours in person!! 🙂
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
My team is pretty far away (Oiler fan living in Ontario)... so at least you have the luxury of cheering for yours in person!! 🙂
have you ever been there for a game ? I've been a Caps fan for about 12 years now and I've only been to DC once (I'm in NY). Been to plenty of Caps @ Isles though and I guess I don't have to tell you what a difference it is cheering along with fans instead of against them. 😉 Gotta experience it at least once...
 
McKenzie: NHL and NHLPA still in talks

Bob McKenzie, TSN.ca Staff
7/11/2005 1:01:04 PM

When the NHL last week scheduled a board of governors' executive committee meeting for today at 1 pm et in New York City, the hope was that commissioner Gary Bettman would be able to announce to the special 11-man group that an agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement had been reached with the NHL Players' Association.

That doesn't look as though it's going to happen. Not quite yet, anyway.

Sources tell TSN that Bettman will likely refrain from pronouncing a deal done and instead use today's meeting to thoroughly update the executive committee on all facets of a 600-plus page document that is, technically, still not complete. There are also a myriad of other issues to be discussed with the executive committee, including the draft lottery, the entry draft itself and rule changes.

Sources suggest that simply proofreading the document could take another day or two. The league appears intent on not saying the deal is done, even internally, until it has a fully executed, legally binding document with the NHLPA (pending ratification).

And since that isn't expected to happen before 1 pm et today, and may well take another day or two, Bettman apparently will play it safe at today's meeting and provide an update, and get some feedback, rather than any pronouncements.

That said, tentative plans are being made for the ratification process. A full NHL board of governors' meeting is being planned for early next week, which would appear to be the earliest the lockout could be officially deemed "over." And that's if the NHLPA is able to quickly put together its ratification process, which is expected to include a membership meeting with those players unable to physically attend the meeting casting their ballots via e-mail on the NHLPA secure website The Source.

The truth is, all plans right now are, to say the least, fluid.

Until the actual document is agreed to by both sides, dates can change. For every day now the deal isn't finalized, the critical path for getting the industry back up and operating is moving on a daily basis.

Take the NHL entry draft, for example. It's tenatively scheduled for July 30 in Ottawa, but if the agreement and ratification process gets dragged out much longer, the draft could slide to Aug. 6.

In any event, the draft is almost certain to be held in Ottawa, though it will be a vastly scaled down version from what the NHL usually does. Sources suggest there will be no access for the public, other than on television, and only a small number of the top prospects, perhaps 15 to 20, and league and team officials will actually be in Ottawa for the draft.

Those plans, like everything else at this point, are a work in a progress.

In the meantime, sources say it would be a mistake to characterize what's going on in meetings between the two sides at this time in New York as simple housekeeping. There is apparently still some actual back-and-forth negotiating going on, which is grinding down the process. On top of that, there are the proofreading and legalities issues which require a little more time to button down.

No one would suggest the process is likely to be derailed in any way, but neither is it finished.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
Chelios speaks up on Bettman...again

TSN.ca Staff with National Post files
7/11/2005 3:24:14 PM

After two weeks of hearing players' shots at NHL Players' Association Executive Director Bob Goodenow, veteran defenceman Chris Chelios has once again offered up some choice words - for NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.

"For a guy who has done such a horrible job running a league, it's a miracle he still has a job," Chelios told the National Post.

"And if he's patting himself on the back for getting a cap, every sport's got a cap. I mean, big deal, he's the last one to get it and he's run our league into the ground."

"It's not so much the deal," he continued. "It's all about the lies and separating the players from the league and making us look bad because we have to defend ourselves. And that alone should be just cause for him to get the gas after this is all done."

Chelios, 43, is no stranger to shots at the commissioner. During the 1994 lockout, he suggested that Bettman should be worried about the well-being of his family, as a crazed fan might take things into his own hands.

Chelios played part of last season for the Motor City Mechanics of the United Hockey League and toyed with the idea of trying out for the Greek Olympic bobsled team for the 2006 Winter Games at Turin, Italy.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
So.......... does anyone want to go on a road trip to see all 30 rinks and partake in some games when the season starts 🙂

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
McKenzie: Still work to be done

Bob McKenzie
7/11/2005 8:13:39 PM

When NHL commissioner Gary Bettman last week scheduled an executive committee meeting for the NHL Board of Governors on Monday everybody thought that by then the deal would be done and Bettman could go with this deal in principle - or pending ratification if you will - and show it to the executive committee. That did not happen.

They haven't completed all of the work that needs to be done. When will that be done? The optimists believe it could be done as early as Tuesday and the consensus seems to be that Wednesday is that best day for that to happen. There are also some people who think it could drift over to Thursday or Friday.

In any case, whatever day of the week it gets done this week the expectation is that it is another seven to ten days before it is fully ratified and the lockout is officially over.

The NHL Board of Governors needs about seven days to come together and do their thing. The NHL general managers will get some tutorials and the players have to be pulled together for a ratification vote.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
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