*official nfl week 6 thread*

[RPD]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But, wasn't Brady also talking smack to Sherman? He is known for saying some things, especially when losing. IIRC, he told Sherman "I'll see you after the game." And once the Seahawks came back (in part to Sherman's INT), he made sure Brady didn't skip out on his promise.

Ya, I didn't remember what started it, but know Brady at times does talk shit, like his famous SB quote of the Giants are only going to allow us 14 points or something and he laughs.

 

[Ban Bot]

The one call I thought was botched was the missed pass the play before Wilson's final INT. I thought the receiver was pretty clearly mugged by the Dallas defender. That one was iffy. Outside of that, I thought the refs let them play pretty physical. Dez vs that Seattle secondary was a treat to watch. I think both sides liked being able to fight for it.

There were a number of others. A couple plays before the defender was facing the Seattle receiver with his hand on his chest before the ball got there and then face masked the receiver. On Percy's last KO return he was brought down by a nasty face mask. I am not going to complain about the refs but Dallas DBs had a LOT of contact down field. If the refs are going to go lax on the new emphasis then Seattle needs to adjust as they have been playing pretty true to the spirit of the emphasis rules and have been rarely flagged for PI or contact/holding. So much for the LOB rule.

But yeah, hearing Aikman says, "Well, that may have been a face mask, but good no call." Really? I know Aikman is a Cowboy homer but in the final minutes of a game if a defender is mirroring in coverage and puts their hand on your face mask and another on your chest before the ball gets there that is classic PI. Doesn't matter though--Seattle needed to learn from the Pittsburg SB that you have to play above and beyond so the refs don't impact the game. Still frustrating and you get the feeling after games like the Washington game where you have players hold face masks and hair down field--and not being called--that the refs are letting too much go. But then they call the ticky-tackiest stuff like when Bryant fell forward and defensive holding was called (even Aikman questioned that one).

 

[RPD]

The last Percy return was NOT a face mask. His hand slid down, it was not like he punched him in the face mask or ever grabbed it. His arm was out, made contact and slid down.

 

[smackababy]

There were a number of others. A couple plays before the defender was facing the Seattle receiver with his hand on his chest before the ball got there and then face masked the receiver. On Percy's last KO return he was brought down by a nasty face mask. I am not going to complain about the refs but Dallas DBs had a LOT of contact down field. If the refs are going to go lax on the new emphasis then Seattle needs to adjust as they have been playing pretty true to the spirit of the emphasis rules and have been rarely flagged for PI or contact/holding. So much for the LOB rule.

But yeah, hearing Aikman says, "Well, that may have been a face mask, but good no call." Really? I know Aikman is a Cowboy homer but in the final minutes of a game if a defender is mirroring in coverage and puts their hand on your face mask and another on your chest before the ball gets there that is classic PI. Doesn't matter though--Seattle needed to learn from the Pittsburg SB that you have to play above and beyond so the refs don't impact the game. Still frustrating and you get the feeling after games like the Washington game where you have players hold face masks and hair down field--and not being called--that the refs are letting too much go. But then they call the ticky-tackiest stuff like when Bryant fell forward and defensive holding was called (even Aikman questioned that one).

That wasn't a face mask on Harvin because the defender, while he did touch the face mask, he didn't grab on to it.

And the call where Dez fell was tripping, not defensive holding. That was a bit bad, but it wasn't that bad.

The final no call before Wilson's last int might have been missed, if the ball was actually catchable. How far behind was it? It didn't look like he could have been able to come back to get it anyway.

 

[Ban Bot]

Lynch having so few carries didn't help either, but take away his 32 yard run and he wasn't doing anything. Dallas really showed up, which surprised Seattle, I think.

I think the emphasis is completely on the, "Too few carries" for Lynch. I don't agree he wasn't doing anything.

Lynch: 10 carries, 61 yards. (minus 1x 32 yard carry) 9 carries, 29 yards, 3.2 average.

Murray: 29 carries, 115 yards. (minus 1x 25 yard carry) 28 carries, 90 yards, 3.2 average.

The difference is Dallas, even when behind, ran the ball.

Seattle, even with a 10pt lead in the 1st half, Lynch had 2 carries. There is no excuse for this. If Lynch is going to average 3 yards a carry and bust a long one here or there then that is exactly what you want. Especially at the end of the game after the D is worn down. Instead the Dallas D was barely on the field.

This was a huge strategically error as Dallas has been exploited in the run game this year. Why Seattle failed to force the issue with an early 10-0 lead is mind boggling.

But you can see a pattern forming in the San Diego and Dallas losses: If Seattle doesn't run they cannot protect Wilson leaving the defense on the field too long. In which case the check downs wear them out.

Either way Dallas will have a lot of confidence if, come playoffs, they have to travel to Seattle. Of course at this rate Seattle would be happy to travel to the Big D

 

[smackababy]

I think the emphasis is completely on the, "Too few carries" for Lynch. I don't agree he wasn't doing anything.

Lynch: 10 carries, 61 yards. (minus 1x 32 yard carry) 9 carries, 29 yards, 3.2 average.

Murray: 29 carries, 115 yards. (minus 1x 25 yard carry) 28 carries, 90 yards, 3.2 average.

The difference is Dallas, even when behind, ran the ball.

Seattle, even with a 10pt lead in the 1st half, Lynch had 2 carries. There is no excuse for this. If Lynch is going to average 3 yards a carry and bust a long one here or there then that is exactly what you want. Especially at the end of the game after the D is worn down. Instead the Dallas D was barely on the field.

This was a huge strategically error as Dallas has been exploited in the run game this year. Why Seattle failed to force the issue with an early 10-0 lead is mind boggling.

But you can see a pattern forming in the San Diego and Dallas losses: If Seattle doesn't run they cannot protect Wilson leaving the defense on the field too long. In which case the check downs wear them out.

Either way Dallas will have a lot of confidence if, come playoffs, they have to travel to Seattle. Of course at this rate Seattle would be happy to travel to the Big D

They should have gotten Lynch involved early game, but he first 5 runs were crap if you removed the 32 yard run. By the time it got late in the game, Seattle had no choice but to throw it and couldn't afford the luxury of having Lynch pound it away. They should have taken to the ground, even if Lynch wasn't doing that well, to at least establish some play action. In the 4th quarter, it was pointless to even do that, as everyone knew they had to score, or Dallas was going to win. They abandoned the run game, and it showed.

I still don't see Seattle as being out of anything though. I think they are the strongest team in the NFC West and easily in the top 5 (even with 2 loses) in the NFC.

I still have my reserves about Dallas. Can Murray sustain this an entire season? I just hope they can pad in some wins before the the Eagles games and hopefully beat the Colts. That would put them in a good position to advance.

 

[RagingBITCH]

They should have gotten Lynch involved early game, but he first 5 runs were crap if you removed the 32 yard run. By the time it got late in the game, Seattle had no choice but to throw it and couldn't afford the luxury of having Lynch pound it away. They should have taken to the ground, even if Lynch wasn't doing that well, to at least establish some play action. In the 4th quarter, it was pointless to even do that, as everyone knew they had to score, or Dallas was going to win. They abandoned the run game, and it showed.

I still don't see Seattle as being out of anything though. I think they are the strongest team in the NFC West and easily in the top 5 (even with 2 loses) in the NFC.

I still have my reserves about Dallas. Can Murray sustain this an entire season? I just hope they can pad in some wins before the the Eagles games and hopefully beat the Colts. That would put them in a good position to advance.

Randle showed some speed...he made that first drive for the Cowboys with that 30+ yard rip. Dunbar isn't bad either...would love to see them getting more touches to prevent too much abuse on Murray.

 

[Ban Bot]

And the call where Dez fell was tripping, not defensive holding. That was a bit bad, but it wasn't that bad.

No, I am talking about the first half holding call against Maxwell on Bryant, not the make believe tripping penalty on Sherman.

The final no call before Wilson's last int might have been missed, if the ball was actually catchable. How far behind was it? It didn't look like he could have been able to come back to get it anyway.

I am talking about the pass to Luke Willson on 3rd down on the right side of the field where the ball was in Willson's hands and was obviously quite catchable. The defender clearly had his hand on his chest before the ball arrive and got his hand on his face mask. That is PI all the way and should have been called. There was a ton of contact on the play on 4th to Kearse and the replay showed a blatant hold on Wilson's #1 target on that play making him move off his primary.

And for fask masks, we will agree to disagree. If the head gets turned due to hand contact to the helmet you don't need to wrap your fingers and grasp.

 

[smackababy]

Randle showed some speed...he made that first drive for the Cowboys with that 30+ yard rip. Dunbar isn't bad either...would love to see them getting more touches to prevent too much abuse on Murray.

I'd like to think it has a lot to do with the O Line, boosting all the backs. Hopefully, Doug Free wasn't seriously injured. It is suspected it wasn't serious (right foot), but I can't find anything more on it. At least, the backup played well. Dallas has spent a few years slowly building that line, and it is showing. Thank god JJ decided to skip on Johnny Football and go with an O Line in the draft.

 

[purbeast0]

They got in some altercations during the game, due to DeSean grabbing his hair or something. Just general bad manners. But, that shouldn't be surprising. Jackson is pretty much everything personified in why the Eagles are scumbags, even though Kelly cut him.

that was not djax, that was pierre garcon.

 

[smackababy]

that was not djax, that was pierre garcon.

Yeah, it looks like it. Regardless, Jackson is still a scumbag, gangster. I'm surprised he wasn't friend with Aaron Hernandez.

 

[RPD]

No, I am talking about the first half holding call against Maxwell on Bryant, not the make believe tripping penalty on Sherman.



I am talking about the pass to Luke Willson on 3rd down on the right side of the field where the ball was in Willson's hands and was obviously quite catchable. The defender clearly had his hand on his chest before the ball arrive and got his hand on his face mask. That is PI all the way and should have been called. There was a ton of contact on the play on 4th to Kearse and the replay showed a blatant hold on Wilson's #1 target on that play making him move off his primary.

And for fask masks, we will agree to disagree. If the head gets turned due to hand contact to the helmet you don't need to wrap your fingers and grasp.

Sorry but the rule states: Article 5 No player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Penalty: For twisting, turning, or pulling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may
be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature.

It was not a face mask, period. If he was a QB in the pocket it may, MAY have been roughing the passer by going to the head, but this was in no way shape or form a face mask.

If you want to explore the "turn" part of the wording up there, then pretty much on any tackle when a helmet hits a pad and "turns" welp that's a face mask!$#%!!

 

[Ban Bot]

They should have gotten Lynch involved early game, but he first 5 runs were crap if you removed the 32 yard run.

I feel we watched very different games. He had 3 carries before his 32 yard rumble and was average 4 yards per carry on those 3 carries (a 3, 4 and 5 yard carry).

Quarter: 1st
14:55, 1&10, DAL 0 SEA 0, 5 yards
1:51, 2&10, DAL 7 SEA 10, 3 yards

Quarter: 2nd
No Carries

Quarter: 3rd
9:52, 1&10, DAL 17 SEA 10: 4 yards
9:19, 2&6, DAL 17 SEA 10: 32 yards

Sorry, not trying to beat a dead horse, but what I saw on the field was a lot different from the "talking heads" are talking about today about how Dallas shut down running game. Lynch wasn't running poorly or shut down. He wasn't bottled up and finally had a big run or any other nonsense.

Seattle simply didn't call run plays to Lynch.

But we will agree Seattle's poor play calling is accentuated by the superior gameplan by Dallas who, because the slammed the ball in there, could be effective in play action and wore out the Seattle DLine so Romo had a little more time.

Btw, that hit on Romo by Wagner looked painful and was a split second away from being illegal. "Clean" shot but you never want to see a QB take a shot like that.

 

[dawheat]

Yeah, it looks like it. Regardless, Jackson is still a scumbag, gangster. I'm surprised he wasn't friend with Aaron Hernandez.

Mind sharing why you'd have such a negative view on Jackson? AFAIK he has a pretty clean history - nothing worthy of calling another human being a scumbag gangster and similar to a murderer.

Showboating hardly seems worthy of the above comment.

<edit>I assume it was based on rumors, unsubstantiated accusations about his "gang" ties?

 

[smackababy]

I feel we watched very different games. He had 3 carries before his 32 yard rumble and was average 4 yards per carry on those 3 carries (a 3, 4 and 5 yard carry).

Quarter: 1st
14:55, 1&10, DAL 0 SEA 0, 5 yards
1:51, 2&10, DAL 7 SEA 10, 3 yards

Quarter: 2nd
No Carries

Quarter: 3rd
9:52, 1&10, DAL 17 SEA 10: 4 yards
9:19, 2&6, DAL 17 SEA 10: 32 yards

Sorry, not trying to beat a dead horse, but what I saw on the field was a lot different from the "talking heads" are talking about today about how Dallas shut down running game. Lynch wasn't running poorly or shut down. He wasn't bottled up and finally had a big run or any other nonsense.

Seattle simply didn't call run plays to Lynch.

But we will agree Seattle's poor play calling is accentuated by the superior gameplan by Dallas who, because the slammed the ball in there, could be effective in play action and wore out the Seattle DLine so Romo had a little more time.

Btw, that hit on Romo by Wagner looked painful and was a split second away from being illegal. "Clean" shot but you never want to see a QB take a shot like that.

Lynch's early runs (minus the 32 yard run) weren't really big plays. You could argue that, including his big run, Seattle should have continued to utilize him. But, but that time, they had already blown the lead.

Dallas's D did take Lynch out of the game, but not by stopping him. They did by stopping Wilson from making big scoring plays and kept the score in check. Seattle knew Dallas had an offense that can score, and had to keep trying to score, shying away from Lynch (which is a mistake IMO, as he has proven time and time again even on "broken" run plays he can shed the first hit or two and get positive yards).

That hit on Romo injured him. They said he was playing with bruised ribs the rest of the game.

 

[smackababy]

Mind sharing why you'd have such a negative view on Jackson? AFAIK he has a pretty clean history - nothing worthy of calling another human being a scumbag gangster and similar to a murderer.

Showboating hardly seems worthy of the above comment.

<edit>I assume it was based on rumors, unsubstantiated accusations about his "gang" ties?

Rumors? Jackson has admitted to "associating" with gang members. He flashes gang signs in games, to which he also admitted to.


Plus, he is was an Eagle, which makes him a terrible person. - says every Cowboys fan.

 

[dainthomas]

Sorry but the rule states: Article 5 No player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Penalty: For twisting, turning, or pulling the mask: Loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may
be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature.

It was not a face mask, period. If he was a QB in the pocket it may, MAY have been roughing the passer by going to the head, but this was in no way shape or form a face mask.

If you want to explore the "turn" part of the wording up there, then pretty much on any tackle when a helmet hits a pad and "turns" welp that's a face mask!$#%!!

So if his hand was on his chest or "brushing" Wilson's face mask before the ball got there, isn't that some kind of penalty?

 

[RPD]

So if his hand was on his chest or "brushing" Wilson's face mask before the ball got there, isn't that some kind of penalty?

I don't even know how to respond to this.

Are you trying to ask if Wilson (their QB mind you) was fielding a kick and this happened, would there be a penalty? Or are you trying to completely change the situation by saying when Percy was getting tackled the ball wasn't there yet?

 

[smackababy]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

Are you trying to ask if Wilson (their QB mind you) was fielding a kick and this happened, would there be a penalty? Or are you trying to completely change the situation by saying when Percy was getting tackled the ball wasn't there yet?

I believe he was referring to a situation where a Seattle receiver had his facemask touched while a Dallas defender was attempting to defense a pass.


Also, why nobody talk about the Raiders? They nearly won that game. I was impressed. I wonder how much of that is due to the new coach?

 

[RPD]

Oh, can't comment on that, didn't see it.

Raiders need to build the team around Carr, he's their future and if they don't they will continue to be bad forever.

 

[Retro Rob]

Oh, can't comment on that, didn't see it.

Raiders need to build the team around Carr, he's their future and if they don't they will continue to be bad forever.

I think the Raiders have a QB, but if I'm gonna get fired via a text massage after 1.2 years, I'm not going there if I'm a coach.

They get a stable coach, they will have a good team.

 

[rockyct]

I believe he was referring to a situation where a Seattle receiver had his facemask touched while a Dallas defender was attempting to defense a pass.


Also, why nobody talk about the Raiders? They nearly won that game. I was impressed. I wonder how much of that is due to the new coach?

Yeah, the Raiders had a lot of emotions going into the game. New coach who literally had them bury a football and the home game against the Chargers is probably the game they want to win the most. It also helps coming off of a bye week. The Chargers typically would lose games like those in the past so while it was an ugly win, it's the win great teams have to make happen. To me it makes up for the Cardinals game where if Rivers hadn't botched the snap, they kick a FG to win the game.

 

[dougp]

That was a fucking terrible national "anthem."

 

[bbhaag]

Wow what a first half for the Rams. If they can keep this energy going we might have an interesting game. It is the Rams though so I doubt it.

 

[gorcorps]

Wow

What's going on with SF?