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zinfamous

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For an NFL quarterback, attitude is just as important, if not more important, than ability.

If he is throwing tantrums on the field, yelling and screaming on the sideline (not at anyone, just throwing a fit) and acting out like he did, he is shitty. A veteran QB should help build his team and carry his team at times. What he did last night showed his true character or the lack of one.

Look at Peyton. I don't personally like him but his leadership ability is amazing. Even when he struggle physically, he carried his team. Say what you want about Favre but the guy played his nuts off when his team wasn't doing well.

Brady is shitty.

well, I didnt' see any of that--like I said, "sorta watched" It was background fluff, streamed from the UK, with shitty stuttering video that conveniently buffers every time a play starts. amazing stuff. you miss all the in between and basically get to see highlights.

If he was acting like a bitch the whole time, then I'd say that goes with my longtime label of Brady as a bitch. Still got skills, though. :D
 

darkewaffle

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I don't think being passionate about what you do makes you a "shitty leader", he was obviously frustrated but at the same time he gives a crap. Which I think really stands out in a league where a lot of players care about their payday more than anything else and half-ass it when the going gets tough. He may not be a fireside chat/fatherly advice leader (or maybe he is off the field, who knows), but I think on the field he's the type to lead by example by playing with the same passion and effort that he expects from his team.

Plus this coming from the same forum that complains extensively about how children are coddled too much and the NFL is "pussified" lol.
 

lupi

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And again, what about the forum of guys whom have these things called HOF bust sitting in a building that said he was being a shitty leader last night.
 

gorcorps

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For an NFL quarterback, attitude is just as important, if not more important, than ability.

If he is throwing tantrums on the field, yelling and screaming on the sideline (not at anyone, just throwing a fit) and acting out like he did, he is shitty. A veteran QB should help build his team and carry his team at times. What he did last night showed his true character or the lack of one.

Look at Peyton. I don't personally like him but his leadership ability is amazing. Even when he struggle physically, he carried his team. Say what you want about Favre but the guy played his nuts off when his team wasn't doing well.

Brady is shitty.

I wouldn't put THAT much stock in attitude. Tebow has a great one, and well... yeah

But yes, being a whining bitch will bring your whole team down. Morale is important in making a comeback. It's a shame he could act like that, perform that poorly, but still not get a loss from it.
 

techs

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Tom Brady has a career winning percentage every other qb who ever played would give his left nut for.
 

lupi

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Montana wouldn't.

Bradshaw wouldn't.

Bart Starr wouldn't.

Are we done with hyperbole yet?
 

fustercluck

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you gotta know saying Brady is a shitty QB is just like saying "hey, look at me everyone, I'm an idiot!". You don't have to love the guy but he's an all-time top 10 QB.

I knew the patriots would be depleted this year but watching them in the first two games it's pretty shocking just how bad they are (despite winning both games). I could see them only winning 6 or 7 games this year. They are going to start figuring things out, but so will all the other teams (except for maybe the browns/jags :) )
 

Arkaign

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you gotta know saying Brady is a shitty QB is just like saying "hey, look at me everyone, I'm an idiot!". You don't have to love the guy but he's an all-time top 10 QB.

I knew the patriots would be depleted this year but watching them in the first two games it's pretty shocking just how bad they are (despite winning both games). I could see them only winning 6 or 7 games this year. They are going to start figuring things out, but so will all the other teams (except for maybe the browns/jags :) )

That's very true.

People get really emotional about football. Emotion usually destroys or distorts logic, at best.

Of course, even statistics and raw data can only take you so far, you need that X factor to truly go from great on paper to a legendary champion.

I'm a Dallas fan but not real big on Romo. Perhaps I'm too hard on him, but I've seen way too many years where he crumbles under pressure. Last year he won more of my respect though, Dallas would have easily been in the playoffs had his receivers not dropped so many bullets right in the numbers. It was atrocious. Anyway, point being, Romo is great on paper but hasn't translated that to post-season.

P Manning, he's obviously a damned legend, but because he played for one of the worst teams in the world for most of his career, well .. he has not much to show for post-season. Put the 90s cowboys under his helm, and he would have 6 or 7 rings lol. Say he played there from '90-'97, it'd be a hard thing to bet against that package. Troy was spectacular, but P Manning is better. As a cowboy fan I can totally say that honestly.

Now how about the other legit legends :

Montana, Elway (similar to P-Man, the Broncs were usually deficient in their O-line, he overachieved bigtime), Staubach, Marino (another great QB + crap team combo), etc. It's hard to say that Marino and Elway wouldn't have had more (or any?) SBs had their teams been AAA quality.

All round I'd probably still take Montana over just about anyone. X-factor out the wazoo, I don't care if he did have the best receiver in the history of the universe. Stats be damned, I'd start him haha. He was so good it made Steve Young look second-rate by comparison, and Steve Young was a damned fine player.

So anyway, I guess of the choices above P Man is the one. I just wanted to ramble :)
 

BUTCH1

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And again, what about the forum of guys whom have these things called HOF bust sitting in a building that said he was being a shitty leader last night.

It's true, he WAS a shitty leader last night, he even admitted it himself in an interview after the game. Try to imagine his frustration though when you take a hit re-structuring your contract because you realize you playing time is waning and the one person you dearly wanted to remain on the roster-Welker-gets lost over chump-change and your handed a bunch of greenhorns and told to still win. It's probably a frustration best kept to himself, last night he lost control and he knows it..
 

fustercluck

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Loving the matchups so far this season. Washington @ Green Bay, The Manning bowl, ending up with San Fran @ Seattle! Also I think St Louis@Atlanta may turn out to be closer than expected. Gotta like what Jeff Fisher has done with the place.

The matchups next week are pretty lame so I will doubly enjoy the matchups today :p
 

techs

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I bet Brady would give his left nut for Eli Manning's Super Bowl win percentage.

I bet Eli Manning would give his left nut for Bradys 3 Super Bowl rings and winning percentage and playoff appearances.

That is assuming Manning has a left nut.
 

TallBill

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Go Bears! Looking forward to the Green Bay / Washington game and the San Fran / Seattle game.
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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Wtf...no game on fox?

Im stuck watching yhe Browns Ravens. I should be watching the Packers.

WTF
 

Gunslinger08

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Eagles defense is really bad. We knew that last week as well, but the Redskins played so terribly that they got a break.