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**Official NFL SUPERMAN Thread - Broncos Win! 24-10!!

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I started watching the Broncos before Elway. I didn't see every game, but I saw a lot, and I saw every Super Bowl. I'd take Elway over anybody else to ever play the game, at any position, easily, with no hesitation. What he brought to the field didn't always show up in stats. I've never been a "winning is the only thing" kind of guy, but there's an extra something in winners that makes them overachieve. If you ever want to understand what it means to give 110%, just watch Elway.

You see what Elway has done as a GM? That's what he did as a player. Better controlled and focused as his career progressed, granted, but that's true of most. He is far and away the #1 reason the Broncos won this Super Bowl. Every single player and staff member on that field was there because Elway chose to put or keep him there. If voting were sane and honest, he'd have won like six MVPs.

Now imagine if he had played for Belichick. Brady won the freaking Powerball.
Rod Smith said that they had to adjust the jug machine to shoot balls at 70-80mph because of Elway. His arm was a cannon which not many had, maybe Marino/Favre to a lesser degree. Not to mention the heart and running ability, and he could also put nice touch on the ball when needed. I think Elway has to be in the conversation.
 
Anyone remember this guy?
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Two rings and his teams beat Elway's Broncos and Kelly's Bills. :biggrin:
Too bad he was injured a lot, he could make things happen with his legs when healthy.
 
Possession receivers in that BB scheme are everything. Like this year when Edelman wasn't playing, 34% 3rd down conversions and 50% with him. Harrison stretched the field because Manning can throw the deep ball as well as anyone in his prime, we cannot say the same about Brady which is why BB's scheme plays to its strengths (short pass) better than anyone in the league. They are so good with possession receivers getting separation and TB's short ball accuracy that they can win without the deep ball.
Brady isn't an also-ran but he's not on par with Manning and Montana. You cannot dispute that Elway and Marino had better deep balls and Elway was a better rushing back than Brady to boot. I'd argue that in the same scheme they would be just as successful as Brady and probably moreso because of deep ball ability. I obviously give more credit to the scheme than Brady and you can bet the farm that BB would scheme the deep ball if he had Marino or Elway or Peyton or Montana. This is why I rank Brady lower than them, because of physical limitations. He is great with the short pass, but that's something many other QBs could pick up. You can't teach consistent deep ball accuracy, it's an inherent talent and Brady has gotten slightly better but not good enough for BB to scheme it outside of desperation time.

I'd agree with Brady as not as consistent with the deep ball but great "deep-ball" threats do not come cheap and Kraft is a F-ing tight-wad so we never got to find out if that part of Brady's game would have developed. There is part of a QB's play that does not fall into a stat-line and that is can you pull out a win in tough situations. In every SB appearance Brady either handed the defense the lead late in the 4th Qtr or drove the team for the winning FG/TD. This is why he is held in such high regard, not on pure athletic ability or the strongest arm. TBO the whole "who is the GOAT" issue/discussion is difficult if not impossible to quantify. Certainly Bill B held PM in such a high regard he went for it on a 4th and 1 on his own 30 yrd line while holding the lead. He was basically admitting NFW we stop Manning if we punt it back to him so I'll take my shot here, we know what happened, (I still think we got hosed on the spot LOL).
 
Anyone remember this guy?
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Two rings and his teams beat Elway's Broncos and Kelly's Bills. :biggrin:
Too bad he was injured a lot, he could make things happen with his legs when healthy.

Is that Jeff Hostetler? Phil Simms was the one who beat the Broncos. He set a record for completion percentage in the Super Bowl (22-25, 88%). To this day I still want to slap him through the screen as he's calling games.
 
Rod Smith said that they had to adjust the jug machine to shoot balls at 70-80mph because of Elway. His arm was a cannon which not many had, maybe Marino/Favre to a lesser degree. Not to mention the heart and running ability, and he could also put nice touch on the ball when needed. I think Elway has to be in the conversation.

Even Marino with no SB wins belongs in "the discussion". Many forget he went to a SB without a run game and a middling defense. Then there's the victory vs the '85 Bears on MNF. All that week the Bears were describing the Dolphins as a "finesse" team and they had chunks of "finesse" teams in their stool. You tube has it (although in horrific resolution) here, It's not a SB but to me the performance by Marino was just crazy good and God was it sweet to see the Bears taste defeat even if it hurt my team's chances for a playoff spot.
 
Regarding Marino: the fact that he put up 48 TDs in the mid-80s is absurd. He may not have the record any more, but he still has the most impressive season from a TD perspective, IMO.
 
Regarding Marino: the fact that he put up 48 TDs in the mid-80s is absurd. He may not have the record any more, but he still has the most impressive season from a TD perspective, IMO.

Agreed. He broke the record of 36, set by George Blanda in 1961 and equaled by Y.A. Tittle in in 1963. The new record stood until Manning put up 49 in 2004. And Marino tossed 44 two years later. Marino's record stood in the middle of four decades.
 
Well this hit piece on Peyton didn't take long to surface...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

Thirteen years ago, USA Today obtained 74 pages of explosive court documents on Peyton Manning, Archie Manning, the University of Tennessee, and Florida Southern College that revealed allegations of a sexual-assault scandal, cover up, and smear campaign of the victim that was so deep, so widespread and so ugly that it would've rocked the American sports world to its core. Yet USA Today never released those documents for reasons I can't explain.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/nfl-will-consider-talib-suspension/

Looks like something will definitely happen to Talib. Good, he needs to shape the hell up
He only got a fine. 26K. What you have to understand is that Talib is the equivalent of a hockey team's enforcer who punishes the other team but hits the penalty box. Most great defenses have a guy like this - an out of control crazy man not scared of penalties who instills fear into other teams.
 
He only got a fine. 26K. What you have to understand is that Talib is the equivalent of a hockey team's enforcer who punishes the other team but hits the penalty box. Most great defenses have a guy like this - an out of control crazy man not scared of penalties who instills fear into other teams.

I don't think it's necessary. You can punish without penalties when on defense... the rest of the Broncos D shows that. This is like Bill Romanowski all over again.
 
Well this hit piece on Peyton didn't take long to surface...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

Thirteen years ago, USA Today obtained 74 pages of explosive court documents on Peyton Manning, Archie Manning, the University of Tennessee, and Florida Southern College that revealed allegations of a sexual-assault scandal, cover up, and smear campaign of the victim that was so deep, so widespread and so ugly that it would've rocked the American sports world to its core. Yet USA Today never released those documents for reasons I can't explain.

Yeah the article is ridiculous. The story is really old. It's not like something was just recently uncovered on this. And what is being presented is only one side of the argument but this guy seems to be framing it as if it's a well rounded piece.

To be honest it seems to tie into two other ongoing stories:

1) UT is being investigated by the FBI for sexual assault cover ups. Maybe this guy thought bringing up an old case with Manning having to do with sexual assault would be pertinent. If so then maybe a better connection between why the story is being brought up again vs. making it more about slamming Manning would have been a better play.

2) If Cam is going to take a hit then let's make sure Peyton does as well. See this article also by King: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-racial-double-standard-nfl-article-1.2524445

If the first article doesn't stick then maybe he can get more clicks with the second. Seems to be working.
 
The 24/7 news cycle is brutal. Maybe only Mr. Rogers could withstand the scrutiny public figures like politicos and sports stars are under. It seems you can tear down anyone if you try hard enough. 🙁
 
I don't think it's necessary. You can punish without penalties when on defense... the rest of the Broncos D shows that. This is like Bill Romanowski all over again.
Yes, and Bill brought a crazy factor to that defense that other teams feared, and don't forget about the Smiling Assassin (Steve Atwater) where many of his hits would be flagged for unnecessary roughness today. These guys were either crazy and/or feared hitters who didn't care about a flag.

Wilber Marshall on the 85 Bears, Ray Lewis on the 2000 Ravens, Warren Sapp and John Lynch on the 2002 Bucs, Kam Chancellor on the 2013 'Hawks. The greats had maniacs who could hit you into next year and didn't care about flags.
 
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Hard hits (especially 10+ years ago) do not compare with what Talib did. He could have ended the man's career right there. He should have been ejected and suspended for multiple games. Great player, not so great person.
 
Hard hits (especially 10+ years ago) do not compare with what Talib did. He could have ended the man's career right there. He should have been ejected and suspended for multiple games. Great player, not so great person.
And a 2yd penalty that saves a TD and intimidates the other team while simultaneously sending a message is worth 26K in the Super Bowl. Ended his career? Please. Outrage not found. I've seen plenty of worse hits by guys on the list above.
 
Manning not welcomed back to Broncos for 2016-2017 season:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...wont-return-to-broncos-if-qb-continues-career

"relationship between Manning and Broncos general manager John Elway soured during the past season"

someone esplain?

A) It's a slow news cycle for the NFL in general. The author had to crank something out. He had this in his pocket. Deadline met.

B)Elway once found a pair of rat testicles in his Papa John's meat lovers pizza. Manning refused to stop shilling for them. Need I go on?

C)It's hard for anyone to be so good, and so competitive, for so long at something, and then walk away. Everyone other than PFM knows he should. Hell, even Peyton knows he should, but it's hard.

Meanwhile, his dithering on the issue is holding the Broncos hostage. Professional sports is full of old school traditionalists, especially among those who have played the game, like Elway. They want to defer to the greats of the game out of loyalty and respect , and yet, as GM, Elway needs for Peyton to clear the decks and move on.

D)Before PFM came to the Broncos, Elway got down on his knees before him and begged him to sign on. In an ill advised locker-room style prank, Manning dropped drawers and tea-bagged him, something he's been known to do in such situations.
 
A) It's a slow news cycle for the NFL in general. The author had to crank something out. He had this in his pocket. Deadline met.

B)Elway once found a pair of rat testicles in his Papa John's meat lovers pizza. Manning refused to stop shilling for them. Need I go on?

C)It's hard for anyone to be so good, and so competitive, for so long at something, and then walk away. Everyone other than PFM knows he should. Hell, even Peyton knows he should, but it's hard.

Meanwhile, his dithering on the issue is holding the Broncos hostage. Professional sports is full of old school traditionalists, especially among those who have played the game, like Elway. They want to defer to the greats of the game out of loyalty and respect , and yet, as GM, Elway needs for Peyton to clear the decks and move on.

D)Before PFM came to the Broncos, Elway got down on his knees before him and begged him to sign on. In an ill advised locker-room style prank, Manning dropped drawers and tea-bagged him, something he's been known to do in such situations.

I enjoy this post!
 
I don't think it's necessary. You can punish without penalties when on defense... the rest of the Broncos D shows that. This is like Bill Romanowski all over again.

TJ Ward has a rep of his own already as well and the whole " I'll hit Gronk's knees" crap didn't play well with the rest of the league either. I don't get it, Denver's defense has the definite ability to dominate a game without resorting to dangerous forms of play.
 
TJ Ward has a rep of his own already as well and the whole " I'll hit Gronk's knees" crap didn't play well with the rest of the league either. I don't get it, Denver's defense has the definite ability to dominate a game without resorting to dangerous forms of play.

It's all about intimidation. Even if you think it doesn't work, there's a reason there's a phrase "The WR dropped the ball because he heard footsteps".
 
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