Official "Marijuana is legal in CA" Countdown Thread ***UPDATE: California Sucks***

[Wyndru]

I'm not a pot smoker anymore, but I think this sucks. I just hope it doesn't set back anything as far as the progress California has made toward legalizing it.

If it ever ended up getting legalized here in NY (lol), I'd probably start growing it again. I used to when I was a teen, I had a pretty neat little grow "area" in my room. It was a fun little hobby for me. It is an interesting plant to watch grow, and of course the end result gets you high, so how can you go wrong.

Only problem is that the government wouldn't get their tax if I grew it, so I doubt it would be legal to do so.

 

[FDF12389]

The whole gateway drug thing is such a crock of shit, it's upsetting. Should we never give anyone pain medication in fear that it will open the door for them to try other drugs? What is the difference? What happened to personal responsibility? The pot made me do it! No, it didn't.

The gateway drug thing is pure propaganda, and doesn't have a leg to stand on in the real, drug infested world.

You're wrong, Amsterdam is filled with coke heads, meth heads, and tar heads! Oh wait, its not, not even a little. Carry on then.

 

[Eli]

Care to fill me in with the research you've done to find a link that 30+ years of science hasn't yet? MJ isn't addictive, you can build a mild dependance on it, no addiction though, no cravings, no withdraws.

Maybe that because they tried pot, and thought "Wow, I was lied to about this my entire life, I wonder what else I've been lied to about."

Take economics please.

Again, THC is not addictive. A addiction is physiological, and dependence is psychological.

So you agree that alcohol should be illegal right?

That's a lie, there are strips they can put on your tongue that will tell the LEO if you've been smoking in the last two hours.

While I agree with your sentiment, and am one of the biggest proponents for legalization, please don't spread misinformation.

You can become addicted to marijuana. Chronic smokers most certainly experience withdrawls. You can certainly crave it; but as someone else said you aren't going to be offering to suck dick because you can't get your fix.

There is a difference, though. The withdrawls can't kill you like they can with alcohol and heroin. They are easy to manage, and are similar overall to cigarette withdrawl(irritability with some nausea thrown in).

None of this is in any way, shape or form an excuse to keep it illegal, though. You can become addicted to anything. You can experience withdrawls from almost anything. Ever craved a soda, fast food or candybar? Yeah. Outlaw them immediately! 😀

Personally, all I want is consistency. If marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be too. Not that it would matter in either case. Those that want to drink would drink, and those that want to smoke would smoke. The difference is that if alcohol became illegal, criminals would start making money off it, and local governments would lose out on a huge tax boon.

 

[FDF12389]

While I agree with your sentiment, and am one of the biggest proponents for legalization, please don't spread misinformation.

You can become addicted to marijuana. Chronic smokers most certainly experience withdrawls. You can certainly crave it; but as someone else said you aren't going to be offering to suck dick because you can't get your fix.

There is a difference, though. The withdrawls can't kill you like they can with alcohol and heroin. They are easy to manage, and are similar overall to cigarette withdrawl(irritability with some nausea thrown in).

None of this is in any way, shape or form an excuse to keep it illegal, though.

Personally, all I want is consistency. If marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be too. Not that it would matter in either case. Those that want to drink would drink, and those that want to smoke would smoke. The difference is that if alcohol became illegal, criminals would start making money off it, and local governments would lose out on a huge tax boon.

Phycological withdrawls, yes, physical withdraws, no. You can crave chocolate too, but just like weed, you wont suck a dick for it.

Caffeine is more addictive THC, from a purely scientific standpoint, I understand that the brain is amazingly complex and people react differently to things.

Edit:
Just read you edit. Looks like were on the same page, we just have different definitions of addiction, I would never say you can be addicted to anything, I think the term dependence is much more fitting.

 

[airdata]

the day the junkies cried.

Guys... I have a great idea.

Let's make alcohol illegal. It has a long track record of ruining families, inciting violence, leading to or aiding in rape, and 10's of thousands of annual deaths.

Let's do it guys.

On a serious note though. It's pretty sad that prop 19 didn't pass. It didn't pass because of people on both sides of the spectrum of pot users. The gap in votes was not huge. Growers, doctors, and pseudo medical users voted against it because of fears that they would not be able to make money like they have been, or that prices may go up... etc.

And then on the other side of the spectrum you have the larger number of ignorant voters who think reefer madness was real life footage, they probably smoke a cigarette after voting and have a beer when they get home since those aren't drugs.

At the end of the day I think most of the people complaining about this not passing don't even live in California. People in California that want to smoke legally have a medical card and have the convenience of going to any of the many local dispensaries near them.

 

[Eli]

Phycological withdrawls, yes, physical withdraws, no. You can crave chocolate too, but just like weed, you wont suck a dick for it.

Caffeine is more addictive THC, from a purely scientific standpoint, I understand that the brain is amazingly complex and people react differently to things.

I guess it just comes down to semantics. I've quit quite a few times over the years, and wouldn't exactly call it pleasant, but it's not that big of a deal either. It is of course different for everyone like you said..

Like I said, the withdrawls that are associated with marijuana are irritability and nausea. Those are physical. But it's not like you're going to be curled up in the fetal position, shivering with the feeling of impending death like with alcohol withdrawls.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

And then on the other side of the spectrum you have the larger number of ignorant voters who think reefer madness was real life footage, they probably smoke a cigarette after voting and have a beer when they get home since those aren't drugs.

Lol! That is signature worthy.

 

[FDF12389]

I guess it just comes down to semantics. I've quit quite a few times over the years, and wouldn't exactly call it pleasant, but it's not that big of a deal either. It is of course different for everyone like you said..

Like I said, the withdrawls that are associated with marijuana are irritability and nausea. Those are physical. But it's not like you're going to be curled up in the fetal position, shivering with the feeling of impending death like with alcohol withdrawls.

That's not physical. 😛

 

[RavenSEAL]

LOL @ 10% Loss margin

 

[Eli]

LOL @ 10% Loss margin

It's 7% last I checked.

And are you saying that's a lot, or a little? lol

 

[Eli]

I'm curious, does anyone know the political specifics of alcohol prohibition and the repeal of it? Like, what were the two campaigns like?

I'm assuming it was somehow different since it was on a federal level. It didn't require the vote of citizens, it would have been voted on by the house, senate?

I'm shocked that whatever bill it was to make it illegal passed. That would never, ever fly these days. Yet all you opponents act so smug. So please, go have a beer on me and revel in your hypocrisy.

 

[darkxshade]

Ya know, all this talk about consistency, should have had a prop to make alcohol in CA illegal alongside Prop 19 for the lol. Surely if you vote against weed, you too should vote against alcohol. It would be very telling for statistical analysis for finding out the % of hypocrites in the voting population. 😛

 

[Narmer]

On the other hand, ~45% of the voting population of the state wants marijuana legalized, and I think that's a fairly high percentage that will probably trend upwards as more conservative older people die off. There are too many people who buy into the "marijuana is bad because it's illegal, and illegal because it's bad" circular reasoning.

People have been saying this for decades now and it hasn't happened. Reality is that as people get older they get more mature and understand the consequences of their actions.

 

[Eli]

People have been saying this for decades now and it hasn't happened. Reality is that as people get older they get more mature and understand the consequences of their actions.

So... what would the consequences be? More tax revenue? It clearly doesn't stop anyone from smoking it, so.. ?

What about the consequences of having it illegal? Inflated prices, funding criminals, the sense that our laws are illogical and unjust...?

 

[Ns1]

54/46

I'm actually pretty happy with these results. Legalization in our lifetime = possible.


For comparative purposes, prop 8 passed 52.7/47.7 - and we all know gay marriage is going to happen in our lifetimes....right?

 

[Ns1]

So... what would the consequences be? More tax revenue? It clearly doesn't stop anyone from smoking it, so.. ?

What about the consequences of having it illegal? Inflated prices, funding criminals, the sense that our laws are illogical and unjust...?

don't bother with Narmer, he loves big government. Govt needs to protect us from tennis elbow.

 

[Narmer]

So... what would the consequences be? More tax revenue? It clearly doesn't stop anyone from smoking it, so.. ?

What about the consequences of having it illegal? Inflated prices, funding criminals, the sense that our laws are illogical and unjust...?

Massive amount of stoners. One thing people like you fail to understand is that the majority of people are law-abiding citizens who actually listen to government...Nevermind, I shouldn't have to explain the obvious.

Face it, there was a vote and your side lost. It's done. Over. Get over it. You guys have been making these arguments for a long time and not many are buying it.

 

[Ns1]

Get over it. You guys have been making these arguments for a long time and not many are buying it.

Not many = 45% eh?

 

[Eli]

Just to reiterate again, when I say "criminals" I don't mean ruthless thugs that will slash your throat on the drop of a dime. While they are certainly involved, fortunately they are the minority when it comes to marijuana operations in the US.

I'm talking about people like you and me. This substance is worth a lot of money in its current state. Everyone that sells is commiting tax fraud. How many people do you think report their cash income? 😀

There will still be an underground. But it won't be nearly as prolific, if you take profits away. It would be much, much less appealing if it were worth even half of what it is now, but legalization should allow it to drop a lot more than that.

I just don't understand how so many can be against it. Especially when they'll take a drink of their beer and a puff of their cigarette in the same sentence. It's digusting, is what it is.

 

[Eli]

Massive amount of stoners. One thing people like you fail to understand is that the majority of people are law-abiding citizens who actually listen to government...Nevermind, I shouldn't have to explain the obvious.

Face it, there was a vote and your side lost. It's done. Over. Get over it. You guys have been making these arguments for a long time and not many are buying it.

Massive amounts of stoners just like there are massive amounts of alcoholics? Massive amounts of stoners like there are in The Netherlands? Oh wait. Massive amounts of stoners like there are right now? Yeah. The difference? They're secretive about it because.. It's illegal.

Do you support the prohibition of alcohol? You had better. Please tell me you do. If not, why? What about the "massive amount of alcoholics"? Are they contributing to society?

I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm gainfully employed. I pay my taxes. I contribute to society. The fact that I smoke marijuana has nothing to do with any of this, just like the fact that you may drink alcohol has nothing to do with this.

Why am I suddenly evil because of something I do on my own time in my own house?

What if cigarettes suddenly became illegal? I don't know if you smoke cigarettes, but would you quit? Of course you wouldn't.

 

[acheron]

I'm curious, does anyone know the political specifics of alcohol prohibition and the repeal of it? Like, what were the two campaigns like?

I'm assuming it was somehow different since it was on a federal level. It didn't require the vote of citizens, it would have been voted on by the house, senate?

I'm shocked that whatever bill it was to make it illegal passed. That would never, ever fly these days. Yet all you opponents act so smug. So please, go have a beer on me and revel in your hypocrisy.

Prohibition was based on a constitutional amendment: 3/4 of the state legislatures had to ratify it, in addition to passing the usual House/Senate/presidential signing.

Good history overview here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

In January 1917, the 65th Congress convened, in which the dries outnumbered the wets by 140 to 64 in the Democratic Party and 138 to 62 among Republicans. With America's declaration of war against Germany in April, German-Americans—a major force against prohibition—were widely discredited and their protests subsequently ignored. In addition, a new justification for prohibition arose: prohibiting the production of alcoholic beverages would allow more resources—especially the grain that would otherwise be used to make alcohol—to be devoted to the war effort. While "war prohibition" was a spark for the movement, by the time Prohibition was enacted, the war was over.

A resolution calling for an amendment to accomplish nationwide Prohibition was introduced in Congress and passed by both houses in December 1917. By January 16, 1919, the Amendment had been ratified by thirty-six of the forty-eight states. On October 28, 1919, the amendment was implemented by the Volstead Act. Prohibition began on January 16, 1920, when the Eighteenth Amendment went into effect. A total of 1,520 Federal Prohibition agents (police) were given the task of enforcing the law.

Although it was highly controversial, Prohibition was widely supported by diverse groups. Progressives believed that it would improve society as generally did women, southerners, those living in rural areas and African-Americans. There were a few exceptions such as the Woman’s Organization for Prohibition Reform who fought against it. Will Rogers often joked about the southern pro-prohibitionists: "The South is dry and will vote dry. That is, everybody sober enough to stagger to the polls." Supporters of the Amendment soon became quite confident that it would not be repealed, to the point that one of its creators, Senator Morris Sheppard, joked that "there is as much chance of repealing the Eighteenth Amendment as there is for a humming-bird to fly to the planet Mars with the Washington Monument tied to its tail."

 

[Anubis]

Massive amount of stoners. O

do you really think that if it was legal everyone that voted for it would be stoned all the time?

 

[Crusty]

Massive amount of stoners. One thing people like you fail to understand is that the majority of people are law-abiding citizens who actually listen to government...Nevermind, I shouldn't have to explain the obvious.

Face it, there was a vote and your side lost. It's done. Over. Get over it. You guys have been making these arguments for a long time and not many are buying it.

Ummm.... there already are massive amounts of 'stoners'. 🙄

 

[Eli]

Prohibition was based on a constitutional amendment: 3/4 of the state legislatures had to ratify it, in addition to passing the usual House/Senate/presidential signing.

Good history overview here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

That's pretty interesting.

I'd love to see something like that happen now. There would be riots in the streets, lol. Can't take my alcohol away! What's wrong with having a beer after work!? I'm not a criminal!

Sound familiar? It shouldn't be difficult for any of you supposedly intelligent people to imagine this scenario, and put yourselves in the proponents shoes.

 

[umbrella39]

Massive amount of stoners. One thing people like you fail to understand is that the majority of people are law-abiding citizens who actually listen to government...Nevermind, I shouldn't have to explain the obvious.

Face it, there was a vote and your side lost. It's done. Over. Get over it. You guys have been making these arguments for a long time and not many are buying it.

It's a shame that some people don't have drugs to blame for being an asshole/idiot.