Official "Marijuana is legal in CA" Countdown Thread ***UPDATE: California Sucks***

[HappyPuppy]

Dream on, QueBall. Just because you want something doesn't mean the people in general want it.

You enjoy the 'high' from marijuana, but obviously many others don't. It isn't just me or the proposition would have passed.

Why don't you go attack the other million people who voted against it?

 

[Rinaun]

You do realize that all the stoners you're saying fuck you too will still be smoking weed right? It wasn't legal before today, and now it won't become legal. But I don't know a single stoner who's going to stop smoking due to this. Most could care less. It's not exactly hard to come across weed, hell it's not even hard to get a medical Marijuana card which makes it... legal! If this prop had passed it would have = more money for the state. There was absolutely no down side to this prop. California has some stupid fucking people, many are happy it got shot down, even though it would have resulted in the state generating tax money by selling a substance that people already buy and use? Mind you the substance will still be sold the state just won't make the $$$ off it now.


Pure brilliance.

This. For anyone who was into pot, this is nothing huge. The state just lost out on free money. This also made it easier for the cartels since now instead of spending their time slinging said weed from California to eastern states, they will just go back to the thought of growing tons in mexico and importing here. For me a medical user, all you did was make my $20 crop I grow incredibly more expensive and profitable, and saved me from the state taxes. I still can theoretically drive high as shit, in public, and get my weed from my store whenever I want.

Thanks!

 

[Rinaun]

Dream on, QueBall. Just because you want something doesn't mean the people in general want it.

You enjoy the 'high' from marijuana, but obviously many others don't. It isn't just me or the proposition would have passed.

Why don't you go attack the other million people who voted against it?

You realize that even growers were against this? I'm sure you're going to tell me it was for our own benefit they were voting against it 🙂

 

[Locut0s]

Dream on, QueBall. Just because you want something doesn't mean the people in general want it.

You enjoy the 'high' from marijuana, but obviously many others don't. It isn't just me or the proposition would have passed.

Why don't you go attack the other million people who voted against it?

Again, do you drink?

 

[bfdd]

it wasn't just the "community". From what I've read there were many other legitimate parts of the larger spectrum of California that was against this. As for "cuddling", you know what they say: those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Why don't you look at the state of the country when virtually all types of drugs were legal. This was from the late 19th century to the early 20th century. You don't know addiction until you've seen it on a massive scale. Look at today's Russia or parts of Iran and their heroin addiction. Marijuana may not be the same but it's a slippery slope.

We know far more about these drugs now than we did then and our ability to spread information is far greater than it was then as well. Look I enjoy opiates, but if I could go buy vicodin over the counter without a prescription I'm not going to go pop 20 pills to fill my lust. There are far more people like this now a days and people would be further educated on the subjects. As long as what someone is doing doesn't harm you, why do you care?

While I am FOR the legalization of all drugs with minor regulation, I do believe there should still be penalties for people partaking in public, being under the influence while driving or in public, and they should have stiffer penalties for committing crimes under the influence of or "in the name of" the drug. I want these things so we can start producing stuff at home. We need to make something and if that something is going to be drugs, fucking a lets make drugs and educate our population.

 

[Eli]

it wasn't just the "community". From what I've read there were many other legitimate parts of the larger spectrum of California that was against this. As for "cuddling", you know what they say: those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Why don't you look at the state of the country when virtually all types of drugs were legal. This was from the late 19th century to the early 20th century. You don't know addiction until you've seen it on a massive scale. Look at today's Russia or parts of Iran and their heroin addiction. Marijuana may not be the same but it's a slippery slope.

Then we must make alcohol illegal immediately before we all start slipping..

The key to drug use prevention is education. Not prohibition. That should be obvious, considering prohibition doesn't work?

Oh, and you cannot possibly be saying that the lawlessness of the 1800s was due to drugs? Yes, all those gun toting crazies running around hopped up on opium. Oh wait, you tend to lay there and do nothing when you're high on opium. Meth and heroin did not exist yet. No X. No LSD.

If anything, it was due to alcohol and our brief fling with alcohol prohibition was a failed attempt to squash the "evil". That went real well; the mafia's rise coinciding with alcohol prohibition is not a coincidence.

 

[Eli]

I would rather there be one bad drug available than two. Marijuana is a gateway drug. If it isn't heroin, stoners will be trying ecstasy or some other mind-bending drug to take them to the next level. Then they when they're broke and can't pay their medical bills, the fuckers will sue the state for legalizing all that crap.

You clearly live on a different planet than I do.

This is a dead horse, but I'll say it again - marijuana is not a gateway drug. At least, no more than... cigarettes, alcohol, caffeine, prescription medication or over the counter drugs are. Come on. You think it's okay to give our children amphetamines? Children are introduced to the concept of drugs long before they ever try them. This is when they need to be educated. It is up to an individual whether they want to try a drug or not. Personally, I have never even tried cocaine, meth, crack, heroin, PCP, ketamine, and probably half a dozen other things. Why? Because I have no interest in them. I know they can only lead to bad things.

If you believe that marijuana is a gateway drug, then what the hell is alcohol? I would be willing to bet that more people try alcohol at a younger age than any other drug on the planet, with cigarettes coming in a close 2nd.. This gateway drug stuff is nonsense.

Most people that drink alcohol think it's funny to give it to their kids... We must eliminate this scourge immediately!

So if you would rather have one evil be legal than two, why not say you're for the prohibition of alcohol? I would love to see the fallout from that. It would be quite amusing, and it would be a huge eye opener for most people alive today.

 

[HappyPuppy]

You are most vehement in your defense of the marijuana. Are you feeling withdrawls from your drug of choice? Does your body crave that drug? Huh?

Weed is already legal in the state of California for all intents and purposes. Get a MMC if you want to protect yourself and if not just don't get caught with more than an ounce. What is so difficult about that?

 

[Eli]

You are most vehement in your defense of the marijuana. Are you feeling withdrawls from your drug of choice? Does your body crave that drug? Huh?

Weed is already legal in the state of California for all intents and purposes. Get a MMC if you want to protect yourself and if not just don't get caught with more than an ounce. What is so difficult about that?

Nothing, but it just shouldn't be that way. Nobody should be for the spending of untold amounts of money trying to enforce something that by your own admission isn't enforceable.

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Why shouldn't the state be able to make money on it? The hundreds of millions of dollars are already circulating underground. Why not seize control of a large portion of it?

 

[zerocool84]

Again, do you drink?

Of course he drinks alcohol. He's a hypocrite.

 

[Eli]

You are most vehement in your defense of the marijuana. Are you feeling withdrawls from your drug of choice? Does your body crave that drug? Huh?

Weed is already legal in the state of California for all intents and purposes. Get a MMC if you want to protect yourself and if not just don't get caught with more than an ounce. What is so difficult about that?

Nothing, but it just shouldn't be that way. Nobody should be for the spending of untold amounts of money trying to enforce something that by your own admission isn't enforceable.

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Why shouldn't the state be able to make money on it? The hundreds of millions of dollars are already circulating underground. Why not seize control of a large portion of it?

Edit: I'm going to bed. This thread has made me more irresponsible than marijuana ever has. I have to work in the morning. 😛

 

[pray4mojo]

kfc is more dangerous than weed.

 

[BoomerD]

This. For anyone who was into pot, this is nothing huge. The state just lost out on free money. This also made it easier for the cartels since now instead of spending their time slinging said weed from California to eastern states, they will just go back to the thought of growing tons in mexico and importing here. For me a medical user, all you did was make my $20 crop I grow incredibly more expensive and profitable, and saved me from the state taxes. I still can theoretically drive high as shit, in public, and get my weed from my store whenever I want.

Thanks!

Just because you apparently have a MMJ card doesn't mean you can drive high...you're still subject to the DUI laws, just the same as someone driving on prescription Oxycontin would be.

I DO agree that the prices are made MUCH higher by the criminalization of pot, not that it's a bad thing for it to be expensive, as it makes it harder for people to get. (it's still readily available, just at a higher price)

From all I've read, MOST pot in Kahleeforneeya is grown here, not smuggled from Mexico. I'm sure SOME crosses the border for consumption here, but I suspect MOST is just transported to other states. THe legalization of pot in Kahleeforneeya wouldn't affect the cartels in the slightest. They'd just shift sales to other states. It might inconvenience them, but it wouldn't hurt their overall profits.

As for the "gateway drug" argument, I don't necessarily think smoking pot will turn a person into a heroin addict, but I DO think that it can make them more...curious and apt to try other drugs.
"Hell, pot's not so bad, I wonder what LSD is like?"
I grew up in the 60's, during the hippie days. I saw LOTS of friends go that route...pot-->LSD-->speed-->cocaine or heroin
Do I think they'd have ever gone along that path if they hadn't smoked pot first? Nope...they may have drunk themselves into a stupor, but I doubt most of them would have ever used other drugs if they hadn't smoked that first joint.

I'm not saying alcohol is a bit safer...hell, alcohol kills lots of people every year in one way or another, but IMO, that's certainly not an argument FOR pot.

 

[bfdd]

Nothing, but it just shouldn't be that way. Nobody should be for the spending of untold amounts of money trying to enforce something that by your own admission isn't enforceable.

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Why shouldn't the state be able to make money on it? The hundreds of millions of dollars are already circulating underground. Why not seize control of a large portion of it?

Why shouldn't WE be able to make money off it? I mean wtf? Why kill off the chance of a cash crop that can create a ton of jobs and a whole new industry? Not to mention the whole FREEDOM thing that we like to preach about in this country so much.

 

[bfdd]

Just because you apparently have a MMJ card doesn't mean you can drive high...you're still subject to the DUI laws, just the same as someone driving on prescription Oxycontin would be.

I DO agree that the prices are made MUCH higher by the criminalization of pot, not that it's a bad thing for it to be expensive, as it makes it harder for people to get. (it's still readily available, just at a higher price)

From all I've read, MOST pot in Kahleeforneeya is grown here, not smuggled from Mexico. I'm sure SOME crosses the border for consumption here, but I suspect MOST is just transported to other states. THe legalization of pot in Kahleeforneeya wouldn't affect the cartels in the slightest. They'd just shift sales to other states. It might inconvenience them, but it wouldn't hurt their overall profits.

As for the "gateway drug" argument, I don't necessarily think smoking pot will turn a person into a heroin addict, but I DO think that it can make them more...curious and apt to try other drugs.
"Hell, pot's not so bad, I wonder what LSD is like?"
I grew up in the 60's, during the hippie days. I saw LOTS of friends go that route...pot-->LSD-->speed-->cocaine or heroin
Do I think they'd have ever gone along that path if they hadn't smoked pot first? Nope...they may have drunk themselves into a stupor, but I doubt most of them would have ever used other drugs if they hadn't smoked that first joint.

I'm not saying alcohol is a bit safer...hell, alcohol kills lots of people every year in one way or another, but IMO, that's certainly not an argument FOR pot.

First time I did coke, I was drunk not stoned. First time I did acid I was drunk & faded. First time I tried marijuana, I had already drank alcohol. Alcohol helped keep me smoking cigs. Guess what, I fucking love alcohol and I still drink alcohol. I don't do coke, acid, or any other shit besides drink and smoke weed.

 

[pcgeek11]

You smokers are funny....

I'm right and the entire remaining population of California is wrong. Duuude.

 

[bfdd]

You smokers are funny....

I'm right and the entire remaining population of California is wrong. Duuude.

For me it has nothing to do with marijuana specifically. Like I said I want all drugs legalized. I'm for personal freedom, liberty and most of all responsibility.

 

[Patranus]

For me it has nothing to do with marijuana specifically. Like I said I want all drugs legalized. I'm for personal freedom, liberty and most of all responsibility.

Well, if that is the case, you should slap a "progressive" in the face every time you see one because it is due to the "progressive" that such things can be legislated illegal by the federal government.

It somewhat ironic isn't it, everything hippies hate, is due to the "progressives" they support.
(Maybe it has something to do with all the weed they smoke)

 

[bfdd]

Well, if that is the case, you should slap a "progressive" in the face every time you see one because it is due to the "progressive" that such things can be legislated illegal by the federal government.

It somewhat ironic isn't it, everything hippies hate, is due to the "progressives" they support.
(Maybe it has something to do with all the weed they smoke)

I'm pretty sure I've displayed my distaste for hippies on these forums.

 

[destrekor]

Well, my hopes were shot down.

Note: Here in Ohio, I was immediately impacted by this proposition in absolutely no way.

However, it becoming an actual legal drug in California, and not simply a medical prescription, could have paved the way for a major discussion of State's Rights. Drug legality belongs at the state level, and while the Fed supporters would have cried foul over California ever having the right to say something is legal when the Federal government says it is illegal... that discussion in of itself could prompt more of the national population to take another look at all of this.

For some people, even if they live in a state that essentially makes marijuana legal, they still have to abide by the Federal government's stance on it.

 

[0roo0roo]

stupid low turnout.... goddamned young voting block aka the non voters got bashed by geezers.

 

[bfdd]

destrekor, there's another bill they want to push in 2 years. Maybe it will pass then. It got mid 40's and imo that's not even a true representation of people who actually support cannabis. Maybe with a better bill, not that I believe it will be, will get more votes. Our state representatives need to take a stand as well and let people know that if we do pass this, even if they disapprove, they will support our decision to legalize even in the face of Federal objection.

 

[destrekor]

destrekor, there's another bill they want to push in 2 years. Maybe it will pass then. It got mid 40's and imo that's not even a true representation of people who actually support cannabis. Maybe with a better bill, not that I believe it will be, will get more votes. Our state representatives need to take a stand as well and let people know that if we do pass this, even if they disapprove, they will support our decision to legalize even in the face of Federal objection.

Seems kind of similar to a few repeat appearances on the ballot for casino gambling here in Ohio.
Every few years, there would be a new gambling bill up for vote... and many argued they completely supported casinos, but the specifics of the bill hadn't been ideal in their eyes, so it was usually fairly close every time but ultimately turned down. A year ago, one was good enough that it finally got the passing vote, and is bringing three or four casinos to Ohio.

I'm hoping in time more casinos are allowed, because iirc, Cedar Fair wants to build up Sandusky a little more, give it some year-round zing where ordinarily the town has become a seasonal fling for tourists, as the main attraction is closed during the winter (Cedar Point).
And I'd support that, because Sandusky deserves more attention. It has a nice spot on the lake, but it's economy is stale outside of the summer, and it has been slipping even in the summer as out of state visitor's travel less frequently to spend money at an amusement park (slipping from a high peak, though still busy enough to keep me away during the peak).

Eh.. ramblin' and ramblin'... this thread is about zee marijewuana...

Come on California, you and Colorado are supposed to be lighting the tunnel for the rest of America. Get to it already! 😛

 

[coldmeat]

I was hoping to see it pass, too bad. Was hoping that it would lead to legalization here sooner. I enjoy smoking and I would like to but I can't, not as long as it's illegal.

 

[Kadarin]

On the other hand, ~45% of the voting population of the state wants marijuana legalized, and I think that's a fairly high percentage that will probably trend upwards as more conservative older people die off. There are too many people who buy into the "marijuana is bad because it's illegal, and illegal because it's bad" circular reasoning.