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Official Lakers versus T'Wolves thread
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Stojakapimp
Platinum Member
what are you talking about? Webber has always been hitting those shots. If I recall correctly, Webber hit like 4 game winners last year.
And in today's game 6, he actually hit a pretty important jumper. The T-Pups were just about to make a run and the kings offense looked bad, but Webber stepped up with a pretty important shot.
I just don't see where you have room to get on his nuts when the kings were leading by double digits for most of the game
ucdbiendog
Platinum Member
f u for thinking the wolves will beat the kings. A rematch of the 2002 western conference finals is gonna own especially since the lakeshow tried to buy a championship with payton and malone. and about webber, that guy has GOT to realize that this isnt his team anymore. hes gotta stop trying to create his shot off the dribble, because he cant anymore. anyway, thes twolves-kings series has been good to say the least
cassell and sprewell are the streakiest shooter on this side of the universe. if you are going to rely on them to carry you through a 7 game series against the lakers, you'll be dissappointed. wally szerbiak is NOT even a factor. after his injuries, he's not the same. troy hudson will be missed though. the only real threat that the wolves possess is garnett but i'm a little bit dissappointed that he has had a few bad games against the kings. he should be tearing them up game after game.
the kings cannot even start to match up against the lakers offensively in the half court setting. webbers low post game has declined dramatically. he'll be forced to sit outside and take jumpshots all night because malone is a great defensive position player. peja is a great shooter but he cannot shoot well off the dribble. as long as devean george doesn't leave him open and with his # of shots taken away from him with webber back, he won't be a big factor. vlade has zero offensive game. brad miller can hit the open J but too bad everything must go into webber first. doug christie has been known for his defensive ability before his offense. mike bibby can only make shots off the pick and roll or wide open Js. as long as lakers keep up w/ their D that they imposed on the spurs, he won't go off for 30+ pts. the only real advantage that kings have over the lakers is to run the fast break but as long as the lakers don't commit silly turnovers, the kings wont have an opportunity to (take note, spurs game 3-4-5-6).
honestly the spurs looked REALLY good at the close of the season. they were pretty much the team to beat. MANY MANY MANY people thought the lakers would be dismantled by the spurs. but the lakers have shown that when the team clicks, not even the SPURS can stop them. i dont see twolves/kings being able to take the lakers to even game 6 this year. spurs had the best chance and they blew it.
the kings cannot even start to match up against the lakers offensively in the half court setting. webbers low post game has declined dramatically. he'll be forced to sit outside and take jumpshots all night because malone is a great defensive position player. peja is a great shooter but he cannot shoot well off the dribble. as long as devean george doesn't leave him open and with his # of shots taken away from him with webber back, he won't be a big factor. vlade has zero offensive game. brad miller can hit the open J but too bad everything must go into webber first. doug christie has been known for his defensive ability before his offense. mike bibby can only make shots off the pick and roll or wide open Js. as long as lakers keep up w/ their D that they imposed on the spurs, he won't go off for 30+ pts. the only real advantage that kings have over the lakers is to run the fast break but as long as the lakers don't commit silly turnovers, the kings wont have an opportunity to (take note, spurs game 3-4-5-6).
honestly the spurs looked REALLY good at the close of the season. they were pretty much the team to beat. MANY MANY MANY people thought the lakers would be dismantled by the spurs. but the lakers have shown that when the team clicks, not even the SPURS can stop them. i dont see twolves/kings being able to take the lakers to even game 6 this year. spurs had the best chance and they blew it.
Had to bring in Madden huh? Its true that he's a pretty bad commentator, but you have to admit he loves and knows the game like no other. When he comments a game though, you'll often notices that he'll catch things that nobody else sees, but makes perfect sense once he goes marker crazy on the screen.
First
Lifer
Yeah, sorry, Wally is back. But no, Hudson is a huge factor. Consider:
1) Cassell is injured and has to play longer minutes with Hudson out. Obviously not good.
2) Hudson is a Bobby Jackson type of spark off the bench and an incredible spot up and screen/roll shooter. Takes lots of pressure off KG, in other words. Why do you think they won 50 games with Hudson as a 2nd option last year? No, it wasn't just cause of KG.
3) Darrick freaking Martin is the Twolves' backup PG. He does absolutely nothing for the Twolves, so little that KG has had to be a PG when Cassell fouled out in Game 3. Think that would have happened with Hudson? No, not a chance in hell.
1. darrick martin sucks. hell he's from my alma mater, and i think his basic only good aspect is he makes his fts. when he was younger i remember him on the clippers and he sucked and now he's older and even slower.
2. the twolves i think dont stand a chance against the lakers, but then again i dont think the kings do either. the twolves would have at least home court advantage. also when olowkandi was on the clippers he'd have huge games against shaq like 30 pts 15 boards type games. regularly his best games were against shaq. so it hink he'd play better against the lakers, maybe he gets motivated for shaq i dunno.
3. please no more webber bashing. i mean the guy tries. i remember in the 2002 wcf he actually guarded shaq. i mean the guy is like 250 pounds. and he was doing an allright job compared to flopper boy vlade. so what he's not shawn kemp in his prime in thepaint. most power forwards turn into face the basket spot up shooters and he's got a knee problem.
c'mon stop bashing the man i know you only hate him since he's with tyra.
2. the twolves i think dont stand a chance against the lakers, but then again i dont think the kings do either. the twolves would have at least home court advantage. also when olowkandi was on the clippers he'd have huge games against shaq like 30 pts 15 boards type games. regularly his best games were against shaq. so it hink he'd play better against the lakers, maybe he gets motivated for shaq i dunno.
3. please no more webber bashing. i mean the guy tries. i remember in the 2002 wcf he actually guarded shaq. i mean the guy is like 250 pounds. and he was doing an allright job compared to flopper boy vlade. so what he's not shawn kemp in his prime in thepaint. most power forwards turn into face the basket spot up shooters and he's got a knee problem.
c'mon stop bashing the man i know you only hate him since he's with tyra.
CubicZirconia
Diamond Member
Hudson has only played 29 games this year, and the Wolves still managed to take the #1 seed. Yes, he's a great player and he'd be nice to have, but he has not been a factor this year. And Wally has only played 28. Thus, your points 2 and 3, while true, are basically irrelevent.
Yes, Darrick Martin sucks, but he's sucked all year and the wolves have gotten by. We'll see what happens with Cassell. The point is that just because the wolves don't have Hudson or Wally at full strength doesn't mean they can't beat the Lakers. A) they beat the lakers 3 times this year (and yes I know the playoffs are different and the lakers are playing well now, but who's to say the wolves won't start playing really well too and B) If the great and wonderful Kings are the only team with a legitimate chance to beat the lakers, they should have blown the twolves out of the house. And that, of course, hasn't happened.
And one last interesting fact, the Kings and the Wolves were the only teams to win their respective series with the Lakers this year.
OrByte
Diamond Member
-wally no factor
-hudson who? (exactly)
-the wolves will win if Spree and Cassell show up. Doubtful about Cassell because of his back problems which are not going to magically go away between now and weds.
-so the Twolves best chances lie in the hands of Spreewell, we all know the MVP is gonna show up but he cant carry the team all by himself. Spree is gonna have to have a monster game and I don't think he will.
A WCF with Sac and LA?? man I'm gonna be in hog heaven!!
go Kings!
-hudson who? (exactly)
-the wolves will win if Spree and Cassell show up. Doubtful about Cassell because of his back problems which are not going to magically go away between now and weds.
-so the Twolves best chances lie in the hands of Spreewell, we all know the MVP is gonna show up but he cant carry the team all by himself. Spree is gonna have to have a monster game and I don't think he will.
A WCF with Sac and LA?? man I'm gonna be in hog heaven!!
go Kings!
kaizersose
Golden Member
I don't think either team can beat the Lakers. I'm a Kings fan so I'd love to see the Kings win this series, but I think I'm rooting for the T-Wolves to win. I'd rather not see Sacramento get beat by Shaq and the Super Lakers. Let's at least give the T-Wolves a shot at it this year just for something different. See, I hate the Lakers more than I like the Kings 🙂
I'm looking forward to the NJ/DET game 7 as well
I'm looking forward to the NJ/DET game 7 as well
CubicZirconia
Diamond Member
Just for the record, CA has too many teams. The last thing the NBA needs is two teams from California vying for the NBA I mean western conference championship.
First
Lifer
The fact that the Twolves finished with the 1st seed is irrelevant (especially when the top 4 seeds were separated by like 2 games). Hudson and Wally provide deadly outside shooters when teams collapse on KG. The Twolves got by in the regular season without them for most of it, but regular season play isn't really even close to playoff intensity the majority of the time, so that is also irrelevant, as is Minny's 3-1 record against the Lakers with players such as Shaq, Karl and Kobe missing games against Minny during the regular season. All are healthy and playing right now.
Additionally, I mention Hudson as a huge missing piece because the Lakers defense this postseason has been predicated on collapsing the middle and forcing jump shooters to beat you. Hudson would literally take apart the Lakers unless they play stellar rotation D for the full 48 every game, which is highly highly unlikely given the inconsistent nature of this Lakers squad. True, Phil Jackson may tweak the defensive approach against good jump shooting teams like Minny and the Kings, but I'm sure the same basic collapse the middle approach will hold true.
We'll see how much jump shooting kills Minny or the Kings against the Lakers.
CubicZirconia
Diamond Member
Forget Troy Hudson. Yes, he's a great shooter, I agree. But he played effectively no part in getting the wolves where they are. And if you want to talk about outside shooting then you have to mention Cassell, Sprewell, and Hoiberg. Hudson is gone- he's a non-factor. But the wolves still have some great outside shooters.
CubicZirconia
Diamond Member
I don't want to see it.
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