*** Official Kerry vs Bush Debate: Round #3 ***

[bamacre]

Just a little FYI...

Newsweek just started a poll about 30 minutes ago. 1000 respondents across the country. It should be completed by tomorrow night, but some results MAY be reported tomorrow.

I will try my best to post questions, and a frequency report (counts and %'s). If anyone is interested in doing some crosstabulations, lmk via PM.

 

[Infohawk]

The results are in. Kerry won debate 3/3. Ouch for neocons and Repugs huh?

 

[bamacre]

The questions are not just about who won a debate. There are tons of questions, many which do not get reported. It's about a 7 to 10 min interview, about 30 questions, with tons of other data. The sample purchased for most of these kinds of studies have everything, addresses, registered party, gender, age, birth date, race, and other things such as how they voted in primaries and other elections, etc. I did not get a chance to look at this sample, just the questionnaire. There will be some data comparisons between Nader and non-Nader states.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
The results are in. Kerry won debate 3/3. Ouch for neocons and Repugs huh?

It would be if it accurately foretold the election results, but as things stand neither party has any real "breathing room".

I have no political affiliations so I like to interject observations at times. Being a swing voter and a proponent of logic, I must admit that the debates have left me more apt to vote for Kerry. Both are fallable, have skeletons in their political closets, carry "baggage", ect. ect. ad infinitum. What has swayed me at this time is my impression that Kerry is possessed of a greater intellect than the C&C and will be better able to negotiate the complex morass of global politics and economics. Skills I believe are intrinsic to the office. I try not to put too much weight in Kerry

I may well be erroneous in my observations, suppositions/hypothesizing, and subsequent conclusions *I'm certain from my experience with message boards that some will be quick to point out that in fact, I am wrong Some in terms that will be stated as incontrovertible fact, others in terms of having evaluated matters much as I have done but having drawn a different conclusion from them* but I would equate many of our current president's policies as "A bull in a china shop" While I find Him personable and likeable, that is a poor criteria upon which to base my vote.

Kerry by my estimations is the consumate politician; slick, professional, well spoken, and prepossessing. In other words fake, an actor playing a role, but skilled and talented at it. The stark contrast to President Bush's brash and very real "good old boy/plain folk" image is one I believe resonates better with other world leaders, though obviously not with the average American who can at least relate to the president and find his "keeping it real" refreshing. While Kerry certainly has many weak points, I feel the republican controlled house and senate provides the traditional checks and balances, and I would welcome this dynamic again as the present atmosphere of near presidential Carte Blanche is politically unhealthy IMO.

The final factor in my decision to vote for Kerry is that it'll ruin Hillary's run in 4yrs :shocked: Something I think most all of us regardless of affiliations, or lack thereof, can agree must be prevented at all costs :beer:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

The final factor in my decision to vote for Kerry is that it'll ruin Hillary's run in 4yrs :shocked: Something I think most all of us regardless of affiliations, or lack thereof, can agree must be prevented at all costs :beer:

Damn, yet another reason to vote this year. Unfortunately I really hate both these candidates. I've never voted for a Dem in my life, short it may be (28), but I almost want to, just to help kick Bush out of office.

With candidates like these, it appears we have built our own HAL. Can we turn it off, or at least reboot it?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

The final factor in my decision to vote for Kerry is that it'll ruin Hillary's run in 4yrs :shocked: Something I think most all of us regardless of affiliations, or lack thereof, can agree must be prevented at all costs :beer:

Damn, yet another reason to vote this year. Unfortunately I really hate both these candidates. I've never voted for a Dem in my life, short it may be (28), but I almost want to, just to help kick Bush out of office.

With candidates like these, it appears we have built our own HAL. Can we turn it off, or at least reboot it?

We can just change the operating system......

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

The final factor in my decision to vote for Kerry is that it'll ruin Hillary's run in 4yrs :shocked: Something I think most all of us regardless of affiliations, or lack thereof, can agree must be prevented at all costs :beer:

Damn, yet another reason to vote this year. Unfortunately I really hate both these candidates. I've never voted for a Dem in my life, short it may be (28), but I almost want to, just to help kick Bush out of office.

With candidates like these, it appears we have built our own HAL. Can we turn it off, or at least reboot it?

We can just change the operating system......

I'm OK with that as long as it doesn't turn out to be WindowsME

 

[bamacre]

Well it looks like Nader is making a difference.

In the Newsweek poll we started last night, Bush and Kerry were tied in non-Nader states. However, in Nader states, Bush had a 4 point lead.

Just to let you know how this was done....

People who lived in non-Nader states, got the question...

"If the elections were held today, and the candidates were GWB and John Kerry, for whom would you vote?" (candidate names were rotated randomly) Respondents were able to say Nader, but were not read his name in the question. Although in Nader-states, his name was read along with Bush and Kerry.

Interviewing ends this weekend. I will try my best to post full details.

I cannot wait until these damned elections are over, we have been busy as hell this month. On some days, I alone am getting 4 to 5 projects a day into the field.

 

[manifesto]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Bush again takes 2 out of 3.

$10 says ur a red-neck

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: manifesto

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Bush again takes 2 out of 3.

$10 says ur a red-neck

I'm a redneck and I believe that it was 2-0-1 in favor of Kerry The Dub never looked like he was in control and he sure didn't look or sound "Presidential"
where as Kerry did in all 3 debates.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: manifesto

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Bush again takes 2 out of 3.

$10 says ur a red-neck

I'm a redneck and I believe that it was 2-0-1 in favor of Kerry The Dub never looked like he was in control and he sure didn't look or sound "Presidential"
where as Kerry did in all 3 debates.

You're too rational to be a redneck, Red Dawn. How about we call you "compassionate country"?

 

[LongAce]

10 says you're a sad lonely nerd, crying yourself to bed everynight. How's Mary Palm and her four sister?

 

[13rian]

This is just a copy-paste of what I put on the Off Topic version of Bush/Kerry Debate #3 so all references are according to that thread, but is still relevant here.

Debate 1: Kerry
Debate 2: Kerry*
Debate 3: Tie

Interesting how both threads address Bush's foaming mouth because that actually seems to indicate the general thread's attitude about him.

As for my opinion, the jist of it shows from the debate score above, but there are a few things I'd like to discuss more specifically after reading this thread.

Jesus Factor: Some replies believed Kerry laid in on thick about his religious beliefs, which I agree, but using it to advocate one's decision, which Bush did for the war on terror, I don't believe should be used to represent the entire diverse nation. There was even a documentary on Bush's Jesus factor that I suggest everyone to see b/c I don't think it's as controversial nor contain facts that seem bent in any way.

Cheney's daughter: It did seem a little awkward for Kerry to mention her, like a couple replies believed, but not completely innopropriate. The issue was on gay and lesbian rights after all and what their views were, in respect with being a choice and how either would enable their rights for them to live in our society.

"The plan": Bush's plan is pretty clear to me, and most other people it seems, because it's already commensed. I'm not too sure why there's confusion of Kerry's though. The message I got about it is that it's a complex one.

Maybe it was in Debate #2, but he clearly mentioned that it's not so cut-n-dry as the president says it is. There's obvious complexity in making decisions for the nation b/c it will somehow ripple effect through all aspects of our society, so simply fixing one thing won't just change that one. It's like a tree soaking up water and absorbing the Sun's energy. If one of its branches were to be cut off, it does not just heal/regrow that branch, but continually distribute it's resources throught the entire body while patching up the exposed branch. I think I've gone off on a tangent long enough, but I felt the idea that Kerry had with this response was very important as how he understood the dynamics of being a president encompassing everything that makes America what it is (this is all of course through his unfortunately better speaking skills as I'd wish Bush could be on equal terms).

Unfortunately I can't give specifics of his plan not only b/c of its complexity from the couple minute responses, but because I personally get bored of economic domestic plans, which was the main plan I believe that people were referring to in this thread. I can really only say that I remember him listing many reversals of Bush's plans and how some didn't seem effective enough to even exist like the No Child Left Behind plan. I honestly don't know how effective it is, but to me, he did give pretty concise examples of actions according to his plan throughout the debates.

I'm still waiting for a downloadable video of Debate #3 to watch it again more closesly, but it is clear that Bush did improve on this debate. It's clearly not a knockout of any kind in my mind though. The foaming mouth and hysterically unique laughing gestures didn't really help either.

This is freakin' long and so anybody who has the patients of reading it will most likely have opnions from this, but I'm a bit sporadic on this forum so I'll most likely not respond unless it stays ontop for awhile, but I still encourage further discussions.

 

[sd]

all I heard from Kerry was "I have a plan..I have a plan..I have a plan" But I never heard a single plan! I kept screaming, "what the fvck is your plan?!?!?!"

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: sd
all I heard from Kerry was "I have a plan..I have a plan..I have a plan" But I never heard a single plan! I kept screaming, "what the fvck is your plan?!?!?!"

same here

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sd
all I heard from Kerry was "I have a plan..I have a plan..I have a plan" But I never heard a single plan! I kept screaming, "what the fvck is your plan?!?!?!"

same here

All I heard was, "Fear, fear, fear, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, 9/11, 9/11.... tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, steadfast, steadfast, steadfast!!!!"

 

[bamacre]

Split
1) A 548 48.8
2) B 575 51.2

State ** THIS IS JUST FOR TESTING PURPOSES, IT WILL BE CODED OFF THE STATE **

1) Nader 551 49.1
2) Non-Nader 572 50.9

Hello, my name is
and I'm calling for. We're conducting an important
public opinion survey for NEWSWEEK magazine. (This will only take about 10
minutes of your time.)

I'd like to ask a few questions of the YOUNGEST MALE age 18 or older, who is
now at home. (IF NO MALE AT HOME NOW: Then, may I speak with the OLDEST
FEMALE age 18 and older who is now at home) (REPEAT INTRODUCTION IF
RESPONDENT DID NOT ANSWER THE TELEPHONE.)

D1. RECORD RESPONDENT'S SEX:

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Male 527 46.9
2) Female 596 53.1

LV1. Generally speaking, how much interest would you say
you have in politics...(READ)


1) A lot of interest 557 49.6
2) Some interest 332 29.6
3) Only a little interest, OR 136 12.1
4) No interest at all? 95 8.5
3 0.3 9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused


LV2. These days, many people are so busy that they can't
find time to register to vote, or move around so
often that they don't get a chance to re-register.

Are you NOW registered to vote in your precinct or
election district, or not?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Yes, registered 1000 89.0
2) No, not registered 119 10.6
3) (VOL.) Don't have to register 4 0.4
9) Don't know/Refused 0 0.0


*1a. Suppose the election were being held TODAY and you had the
following three choices for president and vice president.


and Ralph Nader and Peter Camejo (kuh-MAY-ho), the Independent or
third party candidates. Who would you vote for?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush and Cheney 228 46.0
2) Kerry and Edwards 215 43.3
3) Nader and Camejo 11 2.2
4) (VOL.) Other candidates 2 0.4
5) (VOL.) Wouldn't vote 1 0.2
8) Don't know 27 5.4
9) Refused 12 2.4



1b. As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward...

or Nader and Camejo (kuh-MAY-ho)?

0 0.0 0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE
1) Bush/Cheney 6 14.3
2) Kerry/Edwards 12 28.6
3) Nader/Camejo 0 0.0
4) (VOL.) None of these/Other 3 7.1
8) Don't know 11 26.2
9) Refused 10 23.8


*1c. Do you support
STRONGLY or only moderately?

0 0.0 0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE
1) Strongly 348 76.7
2) Only moderately 102 22.5
9) Don't know/Refused 4 0.9


*1aNN. Suppose the election were being held TODAY and you had the
following two choices for president and vice president.


Who would you vote for?


1) Bush and Cheney 229 45.1
2) Kerry and Edwards 227 44.7
3) (VOL.) Ralph Nader or Nader and Peter Camejo (kuh-MAY-ho) 0 0.0
4) (VOL.) Other candidates (not Nader) 2 0.4
5) (VOL.) Wouldn't vote 3 0.6
8) Don't know 36 7.1
9) Refused 11 2.2


*1bNN. As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward...



1) Bush/Cheney 16 30.8
2) Kerry/Edwards 10 19.2
3) (VOL.) Ralph Nader or Nader and Peter Camejo (kuh-MAY-ho) 0 0.0
4) (VOL.) Neither/Other (not Nader) 6 11.5
8) Don't know 10 19.2
9) Refused 10 19.2


*1cNN. Do you support
STRONGLY or only moderately?


1) Strongly 359 78.7
2) Only moderately 92 20.2
9) Don't know/Refused 5 1.1


*2a. What if you HAD TO CHOOSE between...


If the election were held TODAY, who would you vote for?


1) Bush/Cheney 1 9.1
2) Kerry/Edwards 7 63.6
3) (VOL.) Other candidates 1 9.1
4) (VOL.) Wouldn't vote 2 18.2
8) Don't know 0 0.0
9) Refused 0 0.0


*2b. As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward...



1) Bush/Cheney 1 33.3
2) Kerry/Edwards 0 0.0
3) (VOL.) Neither/Other 2 66.7
8) Don't know 0 0.0
9) Refused 0 0.0


LV4. Do you, yourself, plan to vote in the presidential election on
November 2nd, or not?


1) Yes, plan to vote (including those who plan to vote by mail/absen970 96.6t)
2) No, do not plan to vote 15 1.5
3) (VOL.) Already voted 13 1.3
9) Don't know/Refused 6 0.6


LV5a. Some people are able vote for president BEFORE November 2nd
by mail, absentee ballot, or in person, depending on their
state's election laws. Have you, yourself, taken any steps to
vote early, or have you ALREADY VOTED for president by absentee
ballot or some other means? (IF YES, DETERMINE WHICH)

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Yes, taken steps to vote early 121 12.1
2) Yes, already voted early 37 3.7
3) No, neither 844 84.1
9) Don't know/Refused 2 0.2


LV5b. Did you happen to vote for. (READ LIST)

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 19 51.4
2) Kerry 14 37.8
3) Nader, OR 0 0.0
4) Some other candidate? (SPECIFY) 0 0.0
9) (DO NOT READ) Refused 4 10.8


LV6. Do you happen to know where people who live in your neighborhood
go to vote?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Yes (or any response that names a voting place) 718 84.9
2) No 117 13.8
9) Don't know/Refused 11 1.3







1) Yes, first time (including all not eligible to vote before 2108 10.8
2) No, not the first time 894 89.0
9) Don't know/Refused 2 0.2



*4. Have you MADE UP YOUR MIND about who to vote for in the
PRESIDENTIAL election, or not?


1) Yes 867 89.3
2) No 97 10.0
9) Don't know/Refused 7 0.7



*5a. Now, thinking about the election for U.S. CONGRESS.
If the election were being held TODAY, would you vote for ...

for Congress in your district?


1) Republican 404 40.2
2) Democrat 411 40.9
3) (VOL.) Other party's candidate 2 0.2
4) (VOL.) Wouldn't vote 5 0.5
8) Don't know 172 17.1
9) Refused 10 1.0


*5b. As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward...



1) Republican 48 25.4
2) Democrat 43 22.8
3) (VOL.) Neither/Other 33 17.5
8) Don't know 56 29.6
9) Refused 9 4.8



What about...

a.George W. Bush

REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him?


1) Favorable 524 52.2
2) Unfavorable 447 44.5
3) Never heard of 2 0.2
9) Don't know/Refused 31 3.1



What about...

b.John Kerry

REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him?


1) Favorable 502 50.0
2) Unfavorable 449 44.7
3) Never heard of 2 0.2
9) Don't know/Refused 51 5.1



What about...

c. Dick Cheney

REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him?


1) Favorable 491 48.9
2) Unfavorable 442 44.0
3) Never heard of 9 0.9
9) Don't know/Refused 62 6.2



What about...

d. John Edwards

REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him?


1) Favorable 492 49.0
2) Unfavorable 389 38.7
3) Never heard of 26 2.6
9) Don't know/Refused 97 9.7



*7. Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going
in the United States at this time?


1) Satisfied 461 41.1
2) Dissatisfied 608 54.1
9) Don't know/Refused 54 4.8


*8. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is
handling his job as president?

(IF "DON'T KNOW," ENTER AS DK. IF "DEPENDS," PROBE ONCE WITH:
OVERALL do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is
handling his job as President? IF STILL "DEPENDS," ENTER AS DK)


1) Approve 542 48.3
2) Disapprove 511 45.5
9) Don't know/Refused 70 6.2


*9. In general, would you like to see George W. Bush re-elected to
another term as president, or not?


1) Yes 471 46.9
2) No 479 47.7
9) Don't know/Refused 54 5.4



What about...

a.Has strong leadership qualities

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 627 62.5
2) No, does not 344 34.3
9) Don't know/Refused 33 3.3


What about...

b.Is honest and ethical

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 569 56.7
2) No, does not 388 38.6
9) Don't know/Refused 47 4.7


What about...

c.Cares about people like you

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 508 50.6
2) No, does not 455 45.3
9) Don't know/Refused 41 4.1


What about...

d.Is personally likeable

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 677 67.4
2) No, does not 287 28.6
9) Don't know/Refused 40 4.0


What about...

e.Says what he believes, not just what people want to hear

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 696 69.3
2) No, does not 266 26.5
9) Don't know/Refused 42 4.2


What about...

f.Would trust him to make the right decisions during an international crisis

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 526 52.4
2) No, does not 447 44.5
9) Don't know/Refused 31 3.1


What about...

g. Shares your values

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 532 53.0
2) No, does not 436 43.4
9) Don't know/Refused 36 3.6


What about...

h.Is intelligent and well informed

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 592 59.0
2) No, does not 371 37.0
9) Don't know/Refused 41 4.1

What about...

i.Is too conservative

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Bush, or not?


1) Yes, describes 346 34.5
2) No, does not 592 59.0
9) Don't know/Refused 66 6.6


What about...

a.Has strong leadership qualities

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 553 55.1
2) No, does not 392 39.0
9) Don't know/Refused 59 5.9

What about...

b.Is honest and ethical

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 544 54.2
2) No, does not 375 37.4
9) Don't know/Refused 85 8.5

What about...

c.Cares about people like you

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 544 54.2
2) No, does not 383 38.1
9) Don't know/Refused 77 7.7

What about...

d.Is personally likeable

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 594 59.2
2) No, does not 340 33.9
9) Don't know/Refused 70 7.0

What about...

e.Says what he believes, not just what people want to hear

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 456 45.4
2) No, does not 462 46.0
9) Don't know/Refused 86 8.6

What about...

f.Would trust him to make the right decisions during an international crisis

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 473 47.1
2) No, does not 453 45.1
9) Don't know/Refused 78 7.8

What about...

g. Shares your values

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 483 48.1
2) No, does not 476 47.4
9) Don't know/Refused 45 4.5

What about...

h.Is intelligent and well informed

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 803 80.0
2) No, does not 156 15.5
9) Don't know/Refused 45 4.5


What about...

i.Is too liberal

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY:
Does this describe Kerry, or not?


1) Yes, describes 479 47.7
2) No, does not 456 45.4
9) Don't know/Refused 69 6.9


*13. Which ONE of the following issues will be MOST important in
determining your vote for president this year. ( READ LIST )

1) The economy 162 16.1.0 0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE
2) The situation in Iraq 225 22.4 8) (VOL.-DO NOT READ) 38 3.8
3) Terrorism and homeland security233 23.2 9) (DO NOT READ) Don' 61 6.1f
4) Health care, including Medicare 139 13.8
5) Education 44 4.4
6) Taxes 32 3.2
7) American jobs and foreign competition 70 7.0


What about...

a. The economy

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 456 45.4
2) Kerry 478 47.6
3) (VOL.) Both equally 11 1.1
4) (VOL.) Neither 22 2.2
9) Don't know/Refused 37 3.7



What about...

b. The situation in Iraq

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 504 50.2
2) Kerry 420 41.8
3) (VOL.) Both equally 15 1.5
4) (VOL.) Neither 19 1.9
9) Don't know/Refused 46 4.6



What about...

c. Terrorism and homeland security

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 534 53.2
2) Kerry 384 38.2
3) (VOL.) Both equally 18 1.8
4) (VOL.) Neither 15 1.5
9) Don't know/Refused 53 5.3



What about...

d. Health care, including Medicare

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 424 42.2
2) Kerry 491 48.9
3) (VOL.) Both equally 15 1.5
4) (VOL.) Neither 24 2.4
9) Don't know/Refused 50 5.0



What about...

e.American jobs and foreign competition

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 399 39.7
2) Kerry 492 49.0
3) (VOL.) Both equally 12 1.2
4) (VOL.) Neither 33 3.3
9) Don't know/Refused 68 6.8



What about...

f.Education

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 453 45.1
2) Kerry 440 43.8
3) (VOL.) Both equally 24 2.4
4) (VOL.) Neither 20 2.0
9) Don't know/Refused 67 6.7



What about...

g.Taxes

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 494 49.2
2) Kerry 417 41.5
3) (VOL.) Both equally 20 2.0
4) (VOL.) Neither 25 2.5
9) Don't know/Refused 48 4.8

What about...

h.The environment

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 336 33.5
2) Kerry 528 52.6
3) (VOL.) Both equally 20 2.0
4) (VOL.) Neither 33 3.3
9) Don't know/Refused 87 8.7

What about...

i. Gay marriage

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 410 40.8
2) Kerry 413 41.1
3) (VOL.) Both equally 25 2.5
4) (VOL.) Neither 63 6.3
9) Don't know/Refused 93 9.3

What about...

j. Stem cell research

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 318 31.7
2) Kerry 552 55.0
3) (VOL.) Both equally 9 0.9
4) (VOL.) Neither 33 3.3
9) Don't know/Refused 92 9.2

What about...

k. Abortion

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 436 43.4
2) Kerry 433 43.1
3) (VOL.) Both equally 13 1.3
4) (VOL.) Neither 44 4.4
9) Don't know/Refused 78 7.8

What about...

l. Social Security

READ AS NECESSARY: Who do you trust do to a better job handling
this issue


1) Bush 404 40.2
2) Kerry 456 45.4
3) (VOL.) Both equally 19 1.9
4) (VOL.) Neither 51 5.1
9) Don't know/Refused 74 7.4


*15. Thinking about the presidential candidates' plans for protecting
SOCIAL SECURITY and helping people save for their retirement...
Do you think that you and your family would be better off in
terms of retirement security if Bush is elected or if Kerry is
elected - or that it won't make much difference either way?


1) If Bush is elected 268 26.7
2) If Kerry is elected 325 32.4
3) Won't make much difference 363 36.2
9) Don't know/Refused 48 4.8


17. On another subject. Do you favor or oppose using federal tax
dollars to fund medical research using stem cells
obtained from human embryos?


1) Favor 541 53.9
2) Oppose 339 33.8
9) Don't know/Refused 124 12.4


17a. Is that more because you have or know someone with a disease that
might be helped by stem cell research, or mainly because you
support scientific progress generally?


1) Have/Know someone with disease 108 20.0
2) Support scientific progress generally 412 76.2
9) Don't know/Refused 21 3.9



17b. Is that more because it conflicts with your religious or moral
values or more because you just don't think it's a good use of
public money?


1) Conflicts with religious/moral values 207 61.1
2) Not a good use of public money 110 32.4
9) Don't know/Refused 22 6.5



18. How important, if at all, will the issue of stem cell research be
in determining your vote for president. (READ)


1) Very important 145 14.4
2) Somewhat important 320 31.9
3) Not too important, OR 278 27.7
4) Not at all important? 240 23.9
21 2.1 9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused



*21. On another subject...The third and final presidential debate
between George W. Bush and John Kerry was held
How much, if any, of this final debate
did you happen to watch - all or most of it, about half of it,
only some, OR hardly any or none of it?

INTERVIEWERS NOTE: IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR RESPONDENTS TO HAVE
WATCHED THE DEBATE LIVE, SEEING A REBROADCAST OR TAPED HIGHLIGHTS
COUNTS AS WATCHING


1) All or most of the debate 506 50.4
2) About half 106 10.6
3) Only some 85 8.5
4) Hardly any or none 296 29.5
9) Don't know/Refused 11 1.1


*22. Regardless of which presidential candidate you now support, who
do you think won debate...(READ LIST)


1) George W. Bush (or) 3) (VOL.) No winner/About ev124 17.8
2) John Kerry (or) 26 3.7 9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/310 44.5


What about ...

a. Had a better command of issues and facts

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Does this
statement better describe Bush or Kerry IN THE DEBATE?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 289 41.5
2) Kerry 349 50.1
3) (VOL.) Same/No difference 29 4.2
4) (VOL.) Neither 11 1.6
9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused 19 2.7


What about ...

b. Seemed more confident and self assured

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Does this
statement better describe Bush or Kerry IN THE DEBATE?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 264 37.9
2) Kerry 368 52.8
3) (VOL.) Same/No difference 54 7.7
4) (VOL.) Neither 4 0.6
9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused 7 1.0


What about ...

c. Seemed more personally likeable

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Does this
statement better describe Bush or Kerry IN THE DEBATE?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 338 48.5
2) Kerry 292 41.9
3) (VOL.) Same/No difference 40 5.7
4) (VOL.) Neither 16 2.3
9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused 11 1.6


What about ...

d. Seemed to better understand the problems and concerns of people like you

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Does this
statement better describe Bush or Kerry IN THE DEBATE?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 297 42.6
2) Kerry 346 49.6
3) (VOL.) Same/No difference 18 2.6
4) (VOL.) Neither 18 2.6
9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused 18 2.6


What about ...

e. Did more to distort or exaggerate his opponent's record and
positions on issues

READ FOR FIRST ITEM, THEN REPEAT AS NECESSARY: Does this
statement better describe Bush or Kerry IN THE DEBATE?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Bush 300 43.0
2) Kerry 290 41.6
3) (VOL.) Same/No difference 59 8.5
4) (VOL.) Neither 12 1.7
9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/Refused 36 5.2

*24. In answering my next question, please think about what you have seen,
heard or read about ALL THREE presidential debates held this year. Taken all
together, how much did these debates influence your decision concerning who
to support for president? Use a scale of 10 to 1, where "10" is the MOST
influence and "1" is the LEAST influence.


1) 1 312 31.1
2) 2 66 6.6
3) 3 94 9.4
4) 4 40 4.0
5) 5 130 12.9
6) 6 59 5.9
7) 7 86 8.6
8) 8 81 8.1
9) 9 15 1.5
10) 10 82 8.2
39 3.9 98) Don't know/Refused



*25. Has what you've learned about the candidates from the debates
made you more likely to vote for... ( READ LIST )
OR have the debates not made much difference either way?


1) George W. Bush (or) 3) Haven't made much differe565 56.3
2) John Kerry (or) 25 2.5 9) (DO NOT READ) Don't know/254 25.3


LV7. Thinking again about elections and voting... How often would you
say you vote - always, nearly always, part of the time, or
seldom?


1) Always 694 69.1
2) Nearly always 204 20.3
3) Part of the time 45 4.5
4) Seldom 33 3.3
5) (VOL.) Never 13 1.3
9) Don't know/Refused 15 1.5




LV8. Have you ever voted in the precinct or election district WHERE
YOU NOW LIVE?


1) Yes, have 793 79.0
2) No, have not 197 19.6
9) Don't know/Refused 14 1.4

LV9. On a scale of 1 to 10, where "1" means you definitely WILL NOT
vote in the presidential election and "10" means you definitely WILL vote,
where on this scale would you place yourself? (You can name ANY number between
1 and 10 -- the higher the number, the greater the chances you will vote.)


1) 1 13 1.3
2) 2 3 0.3
3) 3 2 0.2
4) 4 5 0.5
5) 5 8 0.8
6) 6 5 0.5
7) 7 6 0.6
8) 8 17 1.7
9) 9 26 2.6
10) 10 910 90.6
9 0.9 98) Don't know/Refused


D2. Now I have just a few more questions so we can describe the
people who took part in our survey. Regardless of how you might
have voted in recent elections, in politics TODAY, do you consider
yourself a Republican, Democrat, or Independent?


1) Republican 375 33.4
2) Democrat 343 30.5
3) Independent 331 29.5
4) (VOL.) No party/Not interested in politics 39 3.5
5) (VOL.) Other party 4 0.4
9) Don't know/Refused 31 2.8


D2a. As of TODAY do you LEAN more toward the Republican Party or the
Democratic Party?


1) Republican 119 29.4
2) Democratic 169 41.7
3) (VOL.) Neither/Other party 76 18.8
9) Don't know/Refused 41 10.1


D3. What is your age?

TYPE IN AGE: 58112 51.7


CODE 97 = 97 or older
CODE 99 = Refused



D4. What is the LAST grade or class that you completed
in school? (DO NOT READ)

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) None, or grade 1 to 8 5 0.4
2) High school incomplete (grades 9 - 11) 62 5.5
3) High school graduate (grade 12 or GED certificate) 255 22.7
4) Technical, trade, or vocational school AFTER high school 36 3.2
5) Some college, no four-year degree (includes associate degree) 277 24.7
6) College graduate (B.S., B.A., or other four-year degree) 286 25.5
7) Post-graduate or professional schooling, after college 183 16.3
(e.g., toward a Master's Degree or PhD; law or medical school)
9) Refused 19 1.7


D5. Are you, yourself, of Hispanic or Latino origin,
such as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, or some other
Spanish background?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Yes 76 6.8
2) No 1025 91.3
8) Don't know 2 0.2
9) Refused 20 1.8


D6. What is your race? Are you white, black, Asian, or
some other race?

INTERVIEWERS: IF R SAYS 'HISPANIC' OR 'LATINO', PROBE. ASK: Do you
consider yourself a WHITE Hispanic/Latino or a BLACK Hispanic/Latino?
THEN CODE AS WHITE (1) OR BLACK (2). IF R REFUSES TO CHOOSE BETWEEN
WHITE AND BLACK HISPANIC, CODE AS OTHER (4).

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) White 928 82.6
2) Black or African-American 91 8.1
3) Asian 24 2.1
4) Other or mixed race (SPECIFY) 45 4.0
9) Refused 35 3.1




D7. Are you married, living as married, divorced, separated, widowed,
or have you never been married?

0) PLEASE PICK A RESPONSE 0 0.0
1) Married 641 57.1
2) Living as married 25 2.2
3) Divorced 116 10.3
4) Separated 15 1.3
5) Widowed 108 9.6
6) Never married/Single (VOL.) 192 17.1
9) Don't know/Refused 26 2.3

 

[manifesto]

Originally posted by: LongAce
10 says you're a sad lonely nerd, crying yourself to bed everynight. How's Mary Palm and her four sister?

So who are u talking to? In case u are talking to me, no I'm not a nerd. If I was to choose, though, Id rather be a nerd any day than to be ignorant. I'd admit that Bush did much better on the last 2 debates than "his first". And I can see if you think he won the third debate, even though I would disagree but I can see how a republican would say that. At Bush's second debate he still got very angry, was very inpolite to the host of the debate and his opponent. You could see the signs of a sour loser written all over his face. I watched the media disect some of the issues after the 2nd debate had ended. A lot of them picked at data that was given from both sides. But if you had followed politics closely, which I doubt for most of you republicans still going Pro Bush, the numbers and data supported by the Kerry campaign is correct. If you guys ever took statistical analysis in college, you'll know that numbers could be manipulated in various ways. To the novice there may be only one number that is the correct answer for a question, but by manipulating certain factors, word, phrase, etc you can make everything a possible answer.

Unfortunately for the uneducated, ignorant people living in this country you are all being preyed on by the Media (try reading a book called "What democratic media?" for source) and the Republican party. The republicans have been beating down on the media because of their associations with the democratic parties reguarding to policies. SO the republicans would crap a media source if they ever show of certain things being unfair. Whilst most media today in America is owned by big corporations, therefor a likely candidate of republicans, the media are controlled from all sides falling anywhere but towards democratic side. If in doubt, always refer to a true source of information, The NY Times. It is one of the most credited source of media in the country and the world. Though, most republicans would claim that this source is too liberal (one example of the crapping), but the truth of the matter is, everything NY Times will post is the truth. They will post info on boths sides and investigated in detail (with one exception, but they have caught their mistake and appologized for it -Iraq war) .

This has always been strange to me and I could never figure this out. The liberal party is looking after the middle class, and the lower class. The Republicans are only looking after themselves, the upper class. Since the upper class only accounts to 1% of the population while, the leberal party is looking after the other 98+% of the population, you'd think who is the obvious choice for the people. If you are a middle class or a lower class and you are a republican, then I'd say you have been manipulated. If you have doubts, then ask yourself how many people you know have lost jobs over the past 4 years; what happened to your health care, flu shot; What about the record high surplus before Bush's reign and now to a new low in the past 50 yrs.

The truth is if you want to trust the corporations for the things that you need such as education, healthcare, then they will take a lil away from you at a time, untill you have nothing in the end. The quality of life will disapear in this country, at least for the middle class and the poor. The rich will get richer, while the middle will slowly disapear to the poor class.

I am sorry to red dawn that I had to crap on you. I shouldnt have, but I am a lil fed up with how everything is turning out. I bet if some of you republicans take some time to investigate on "credible" sources between the 2 candidates, then you'd see who is the obvious choice.

In short, another term of Bush will eventually cripple America. His tax cuts will go permanent, and his other policies that are aimed to benefit the rich will pass too. I have pity on us all (except for the rich) when that happens.

Again I apologize for the crapping, Red Dawn.