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*** Official Kerry vs Bush Debate: Round #3 ***
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Todd33
Diamond Member
http://www.emergingdemocraticm...donkeyrising/index.php
Truth hurts, Bush got owned last night. The pundits just stick to their side, never telling the truth. Real voters are not pundits, so Kerry scored where he needed to.
Conjur, is this a personal attack?? if so maybe I should follow your typical course of action and alert the mods?....
IMHO Kerry had no "warm side", instead he looked like an arrogant SOB plain and simple...but then again what does one expect from someone who has to marry into money.
Todd33
Diamond Member
Do you want to overturn Roe v Wade? We know his answer, but he won't say it public, he wants it both ways. Kerry took a stance, Bush did not.
Do you support a higher minimum wage? Kerry said yes, explained why and even said a number. Bush changed the subject and talked about education (wtf?).
Which one of these guys is wishy-washy?
Do you support a higher minimum wage? Kerry said yes, explained why and even said a number. Bush changed the subject and talked about education (wtf?).
Which one of these guys is wishy-washy?
If you call questiong your judgment an attack, then I suppose it is. Is it a persona attack? Only in your mind, maybe.
As opposed to being coddled by daddy's oil money?
Bush looked like a lush up there last night. When he was able to put a few sentences together and skip the rhetoric and talking points, it was enough of a departure from his appearance that I was actually in shock. It was as if the sun poke through a hole in an otherwise completely overcast sky.
Conjur, this was a personal attack, plain and simple...difference is I am not going to put my skirt on as you do and email the mods, instead I call you out on it right here and you still deny and divert, just man up and admit you took a direct poke at my integrity instead of being the pansy you usually are for once.
as to the rest of your partisan BS....
I guess they both got their money the old fashioned way, Bush was born into it, and Kerry the slime ball worked a grieving widow and suckered her into marrying his ugly ace. As I said before, Kerry looked like an arrogant, better than everyone else SOB, a visual parallel to many of your posts.
Conjur, having any kind of discourse with you is futile, we are both set in our opinions and it is obvious neither is going to waiver...with regards to Kerry and his wife I would hardly call that "love" which brought them together, but that is my personal observation...Kerry to me looked arrogant, pompous, and very condescending as he always has throughout his campaign, Bush didn't look his best but clearly not as bad as you nor Chess would like to paint him...certainly not a "party boy, drunkard" or someone suffering the long term effects of substance abuse...whatever, as said before talking with you is a waste of my time and this thread is going downhill fast, I suggest you do yourself a favor and chill out.
You're telling me to chill out and you claim Kerry married for money? Have you not seen Teresa and John on-stage and how affectionate they are? Bush is too rigid in that regard (trying to keep his daughters on leashes. 😕 )
Kerry only looked condescending to you because he looked intelligent and professional vs. Bush's high-on-something look and the drool coming off his mouth.
Only someone who does not understand small-business operating costs would not take exception to Kerry's $7.00 minimum wage reference. Kerry's health plan along with the minimum-wage increase as stated will put a strangle hold on small/mid-size business. Fortunately for Kerry, the number of minimum wage earners drooling over $7.00hr far outnumber the effective voting power of small business. Raising Minimum wage beyond all aspect of reasonability (in regards to actual business operation) is always a popular campaign point for the Democratic Campaign.
Some say GB sidestepped the answer and talked about education for some unkown reason (avoiding the question). Well, a better educated or skilled person is less likely to be resigned to settling for minimum wage employment. No, it's not directly addressing the specific minimum wage rate but you are providing better opportunity for the low wage earner the while maintaining your small business base. To step up and specifically say you're not going to increase low wage earner rates is shooting yourself in the foot because most of the base doesn't see beyond that initial statement and take hold of the opportunity for better education.
Giving Kerry points for his minimum wage statement is irresponsible. Discounting GB's "education" response to minimum wage is not responsible either.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
A number of states, including Washington, where I live, have higher minimum wage than the federal standard, and they seem to be able to successfully keep small businesses running.
Mark Racicot (Bush campaign manager) says Kerry won debates
http://apnews.excite.com/artic...0041014/D85NB8GG0.html
http://apnews.excite.com/artic...0041014/D85NB8GG0.html
bunnyfubbles
Lifer
I guess you didn't notice the hands, which shook just as much as the did in the first debate, not to mention the excessive hand gestures made fun of by SNL (they didn't even have to exagerate to make it funny)
Both candidates had their flaws, I don't think we can determine a winner based on how they looked as they looked equally goofy.
HOWEVER the fact that we seem to choose a president because his opponent looks like a dumbass or looks like his face is falling off... well that is just absurd.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I knew this one would come back to bite him:
This is why I really feel the President did himself a disservice by (apparently) not watching F9/11, and his handlers hurt him by not warning him to watch out for having this quote used against him, which was entirely foreseeable.
F9/11 was certainly a stronge anti-Bush message film, but if the White House won't even pause to consider the sentiments of the anti-Bush camp, they can't be forewarned about possible avenues of attack.
As a result, we literally had the President of the United States telling an easily-disproved untruth on national television during a presidential debate (though I'm quite sure it was unintentional). This wasn't a half-truth, or a massaged statistic - it was an out and out untrue statement. Try convincing the American public (who flayed President Clinton for lying to them) that this is OK.
Chadder007
Diamond Member
Bush looked like a regular American standing up there and was optimistic.
Kerry looked stiff and to be an arrogant asshole. His wife also looked drunk as usual.
🙂
Kerry looked stiff and to be an arrogant asshole. His wife also looked drunk as usual.
🙂
Engineer
Elite Member
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
kerry quote not quite...and missing loads of context
But hey, some people still believe everything they saw in F-911.
CsG
On stage is an act, I have known plenty of couples who act in such a manner while in public and then in private are very different, in many cases leading almost seperate lives...I would not be surprised if the Kerry/Heniz merger was such a relationship. I also have no idea what you are referring to with re. Bush and his Daughters, if anything their composure when together is far more natural than that of Kerry and his children which seem almost standoffish.
Kerry was condescending, pompous and arrogant....I work with highly intelligent and professional people on a daily basis, many of which are far more intelligent than Kerry could ever hope to be, I have worked with many in the past as well and none have ever come off as pompous as he did in that last debate, well possibly one...Dan Goldin, former NASA administrator, luckily I only met him only once though.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
You're spinning this one like a hula hoop. I have read that quote previously, and its context. I know what President Bush was saying, and I think he chose his words very poorly, then stubbornly stuck to them when he said:
The fact of the matter is, in last night's debate, President Bush said he had never previously said he was not that concerned about finding OBL, when he had in fact said exactly that. Again, I don't believe he intentionally lied, but he did state something completely false about his own words, as truth. I regard that as unseemly, and to me it shows terribly poor debate prep on the part of Rove et al.
Since this quote was in F9/11, they should have known that millions of Americans had heard President Bush say he was not concerned about OBL, and advised him how to deflect that gambit if Kerry raised it (by putting it in context, and explaining what he meant by it). Instead, he was clearly nonplussed, and simply denied something that millions of people know is true. I think that's indefensible on the part of his handlers.
Frankly, in my view, it simply looks bad if the President of the United States:
a. Makes a rather ill-thought-out comment that he doesn't care about finding the nation's mortal enemy, Osama bin Laden, who is responsible for the largest terrorist attack in the world's history, killing 3,000+, and happens to be #1 on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List,
b. When challenged about the statement by reporters, confirms that yes, he really doesn't care about OBL,
c. In the context of a nationally-televised presidential debate, apparently doesn't remember saying these things, although footage of the statement has appeared in a wildly successful documentary; and
d. Simply denies he ever said a and b in the first place.
The truth about Bush meeting with the Black Caucus
Rep. Cummings says the president saw them only because they refused to leave until he did.
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...=la-elect2004-complete
Rep. Cummings says the president saw them only because they refused to leave until he did.
http://www.latimes.com/news/po...=la-elect2004-complete
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