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**OFFICIAL** Kerry/Bush Debate Thread: 2nd Debate to be 'Town-Hall' Style
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Since the thread where this was posted was locked before I got a chance to respond, and since it pertains to the "debates" loosley I figured I would cut and paste it here...so hey Perk, if you are paying attention this one is for you....
I am sure I can find more than a few posts of yours which I could easily say the same thing about (diversions, strawman whatnot), the point is that I don't bother....how many liberals chimed in in a thread which specifically asked they did not give input? also how does my personal input on the appearance (or lack there of) and also ones performance take away from the discussion at hand? you are a hypocrite plain and simple...when you feel like posting personal input and what not then that is OK, however when someone else does it and it goes against the person you support then wow they are putting up a diversion blah blah blah...give me a break...
Guess you missed Sudheer's post on what to expect from senior members, sorry Perk but you fall short by a long shot...you're a boarderline joke and your blatant partisan posts aren't much better, maybe a little growing up is in order? just a thought.
I am sure I can find more than a few posts of yours which I could easily say the same thing about (diversions, strawman whatnot), the point is that I don't bother....how many liberals chimed in in a thread which specifically asked they did not give input? also how does my personal input on the appearance (or lack there of) and also ones performance take away from the discussion at hand? you are a hypocrite plain and simple...when you feel like posting personal input and what not then that is OK, however when someone else does it and it goes against the person you support then wow they are putting up a diversion blah blah blah...give me a break...
Guess you missed Sudheer's post on what to expect from senior members, sorry Perk but you fall short by a long shot...you're a boarderline joke and your blatant partisan posts aren't much better, maybe a little growing up is in order? just a thought.
depends on who is doing the watching and what their idology was going into the debate...you saw conviction, I saw someone who was gawky and awkward, almost robotic...not what I expected after hearing the praise of his public demeanor from more than a few supporters here, hopefully Edwards does better.
Only Kerry won't. He took a rather confusing stance for George Bush since he took a pro Iraq war stance at times and an anti Iraq war stance at others during the same debate. Kerry can not make up his mind if the war is right or wrong. After the debate it is still impossible to tell what he thinks.
In relativistic terms, Bush did well.
His biggest mistake was not being Bush-the loveable cowboy Reagan wannabe. He wasn't stiff, but he often looked confused, petulant, and downright stupid.
His handlers put him into puppet mode unfortunately-<squawk>"HARD WORK" <squawk>-<squawk>"FLIP FLOP" <squawk>-<squawk>"STEADFAST STEADFAST" <squawk>.
If I were a line toeing Republican, I'd be embarrassed for my President.
Bush needs another debate like he needs a hole in the head.
If the other debates are this bad Bush might lose the election, but I don't think so. Americans aren't going to change horses in mid stream, even if the horse is blind, deaf, and lame.
-Robert
His biggest mistake was not being Bush-the loveable cowboy Reagan wannabe. He wasn't stiff, but he often looked confused, petulant, and downright stupid.
His handlers put him into puppet mode unfortunately-<squawk>"HARD WORK" <squawk>-<squawk>"FLIP FLOP" <squawk>-<squawk>"STEADFAST STEADFAST" <squawk>.
If I were a line toeing Republican, I'd be embarrassed for my President.
Bush needs another debate like he needs a hole in the head.
If the other debates are this bad Bush might lose the election, but I don't think so. Americans aren't going to change horses in mid stream, even if the horse is blind, deaf, and lame.
-Robert
It's hard work. Debates are tough work, esp. when the earpiece isn't used to receive those answers from Cheney/Rove. It's hard work to keep the signal clear and not to send mixed messages. It's incredibly tough work.
The earpiece might have been sending mixed messages so he stood resolute to send a clear signal. But, it was hard work.
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
Can you show me some of the instances in the debate? I know he was pro-war and that's what I got just anti the way how Bush went into the war(reasons, UN, allies, etc.). I understand the whole "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" and that he believed at the time we could've done without the war in Iraq(more inspections, diplomacy, making sure of intelligence) but, now we're in it so he's going to be focusing on finishing it since just pulling out is not an option.
As if the war is right or wrong is totally dependent on what it was based on which has changed overtime. Through no fault of Kerry. Was the war right since we found no WMD and that was the main reason for going? Absolutely not. Was the war right since we found no ties between Iraq and Al-Qaeda? Nope. Was the war right to get Saddam Hussein outta there and free the Iraqi people? Of course. No one will argue that.
buckmasterson
Senior member
I'm 48, blind, deaf, and lame, and last night my horse got all turned around somewhere in a stream of disbelief. I couldn't help thinking what the world thinks of our President, the "world leader". If he has any Reagan in him at all, he'd better pull it out of his ass for the next debate. Otherwise this election will be over by 6pm election day. After watching him last night, I have no desire for him to lead this horse to the stream...
- Kevin Mikesell
buckmasterson
Senior member
I was a bit shaken over the "kill" word being used also, but when it comes down to it, that is what we are going to do, unless of course we want fill our prisons with them.
I don't understand what was confusing about Kerry's stance on the war. He thinks the timing of the war was wrong. He thinks that we let the bad guy get away because George W was focused on a personal cause. John Kerry wasn't the only American with mixed feelings about going to war with Iraq. I was in Poland at the time and I told my peers I didn't agree with it. There was time to get Sadam, but if we didn't act quickly Bin Laden would slip away.
The worst part of the debate in my mind was when Bush said we were victorious so quickly. I can't figure out what we "won" already. We have Sadam, but for what? We've made him the poster-boy of American aggression. An example of why the world hates us.
- Kevin
Buckmasterson:
LOL! 🙂
Don Vito:
Hey! I remember hearing JOHN ADAMS speak. 🙂 Isn't WJB my age? 🙂
Anyway, neither of these guys are orators because oration is not practiced, taught or admired. We don't teach Greek or Latin to very many kids these days, so it's inevitable that the "sound bite" is the modern substitute for the Short Attention Span Theatre crowd.
-Robert
LOL! 🙂
Don Vito:
Hey! I remember hearing JOHN ADAMS speak. 🙂 Isn't WJB my age? 🙂
Anyway, neither of these guys are orators because oration is not practiced, taught or admired. We don't teach Greek or Latin to very many kids these days, so it's inevitable that the "sound bite" is the modern substitute for the Short Attention Span Theatre crowd.
-Robert
JHoNNy1OoO
Golden Member
There weren't any "terrorists" in Iraq before we invaded. Especially none of the "terrorists" that attacked us on 9/11 which were suppose to be the ones we were after. We went there originally because of WMD and an imminent threat. Not everything comes down to invasion. Right now the only threat Iran possesses is nuclear and I'm sure both candidates won't let that happen.
You still didn't answer my question though. Which I was serious about since you implied that Kerry even changed positions multiple times about support of the war even within the debate. Can you point out some quotes that show this?
Shouldn't they be though? I mean I graduated highschool in 95 and took latin for 6 years at this point (started in 6th grade) (also one year of Ancient greek that I took my Junior year)...these guys are ivy league graduates and at the time of their high school attendance I wouldn't be surprised if Latin and or ancient greek and a public speaking course were mandatory, also Kerry went to private school and Bush went to Phillips Andover.....so while kids and even some "adults" of today might not be proficient at the art of public speaking, have not joined a debate team, and have not studied in classical language you would think that these guys should be old pros at it....
Personally I thought they both stunk, Bush was by far the worse public speaker, I do think if he had been more candid and at ease he would have come off better but he seemed (as did Kerry) heavily scripted and dwelled on soundbites...
Kerry was far worse than I expected, from all of the priase given here I was waiting for someone who swept people off of their feet with his oratory prowess...instead he seemed bland, dry and stiff....not something I would expect from either Ivy league or with 20 + years in politics.
After this snooze fest I don't know how enthusiastic I am to watch the final two, the VP debate will be interesting though as both Edwards and Cheney seem to "connect" better and make stronger arguments.
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