I'm hoping that Obama pressures Europeans to change their economic, scientific, and immigration issues. How many millions of potential Obamas have been killed by European economic policies in Africa? How many Africans are dying due to Europe's historical exploitation in Africa? Promote GM food, fix your racist immigration policies, etc.
probably not gonna happen.
Europe is aflutter over "omg, go america! you elected your first black president!" but don't expect them to be electing any black PM's or presidents any time soon.
I'm not talking about them electing a minority but their policies which have promoted a sustained genocide throughout the developing world.
Have the last 4 senate seats been decided yet*? Did the democrats pick up enough for a super majority?
*last news I heard was this morning and they were all still too close too call.
*last news I heard was this morning and they were all still too close too call.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2...ults/senate/votes.html
looks like NYT is counting Georgia in the R column and Alaska, Minnesota, and Oregon are still too close to call.
I'm guessing we won't know about Minn for awhile yet if Franken isn't conceding.
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http://ap.google.com/article/A...jZp_3nDe-xRpAD948UO000
In the Georgia Senate race, Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss has failed to reach the majority vote requirement needed under state law to avoid a runoff. The freshman senator will face Democrat Jim Martin in the Dec. 2 contest to fill the last seat in the new Senate.
From the perspective of this non-American, yes. And your question identifies why perfectly.
W was a complete disaster. He dropped the bar so low you guys find it hard to look upwards any more; it used to be that "change" to an American was synonymous with "opportunity".
The previous two elections you had crappy options. This time you got two pretty good ones, and went for the guy who was offering... opportunity.
probably good news for republicans, I doubt we'll see the same high turn-out that we saw yesterday show up for some random senate race.
Duhbyuh WAS a disaster. The worst president anyone living now can remember, and possibly of all time. This man and his administration have done more damage to this great nation than anyone. I couldn't believe it when he won the first election (as it was clear what a dangerous president he would be) but I was blown away when he won in 2004. Amazing how little people pay attention. Gore would have been a good president, Kerry I'm not so sure about, but it would have been MUCH better than the yahoo that's there now.
Last night, this country proved again, it's the greatest in the world. I'm so proud to say I'm American right now. Been a while...it's been too embarrassing.
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SagaLore
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here's the 2008 Red/Blue State map based on population.
Look at that beautiful sea of blue
Uh, a bit distorted.
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No shit. It's based on population. The size of the state on the map is relative to their total percentage of the US population, and their color represents where their electoral votes went.Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here's the 2008 Red/Blue State map based on population.
Look at that beautiful sea of blue
Uh, a bit distorted.
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Originally posted by: chess9
Originally posted by: GiggleGirl
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Ryan
I know it's terribly idealistic and naive, but a new day is coming to American politics.
gay rights rejected across the board, a new day indeed
Exit polls show Prop 8 failing in CA.
WOOT! :thumbsup:
It narrowly passed here in FL, ignorant bigots.
agree. its pretty sad when we cant let people live their lives how it suits them. screwed up!
I voted against it, but it was poorly worded. Careful reading required! The pro-traditional marriage people snuck that one past a lot of people, IMHO.
-Robert
oh yea it was absolutely worded in a way to deliberately confuse people. i read it three times to make sure i was voting NO to ban gay marriage.
Wrong. It was phrased that way by attorney general Jerry Brown (a historical liberal figure in California).
The proposition should have just said, "Do you want to amend the constitution to ban gay marriage OR to make marriage between a man and a women only." But he made it, "do you want to amend the constitution to remove the gay right to marry." _HE_ added the negative in there which confused things. And hopefully it's obvious why he phrased it that way (to make it seem more anti-gay).
Originally posted by: jpeyton
MERKLEY BEATS SMITH!!!
57 Democrats in the Senate now
How many are independent and undecided?
I don't particularly care about a filibuster-proof super-majority but I agree with you here. His campaign's 2002 TV ad was on par with Bush 2000's despicable attacks on McCain in South Carolina and worse than the "swift boating" of Kerry in 2004.
As for the few comments about CA Prop. 8, I don't recall the exact language now but it's not that confusing. It's an amendment to the state Constitution with a simple 50% majority vote; compare that to the extremely high standard to amend the U.S. Constitution.
LAT reports 70% of black voters voted yes. These are the same voters that overwhelmingly voted for Obama, with record turnout. Prop. 8 would have lost if not for the lying TV ads claiming public schools would teach gay marriage in grade school "whether you like it or not". Many voters bought the scare tactics hook, line & sinker. The No on 8 TV ads simply weren't that effective in explaining the civil rights issue to voters already prejudiced against gay marriage. I reject the confusion argument. As often as the ads ran and as much as the discussion flowed (in churches and workplaces for example), voters were clearly given the choice of banning gay marriage by voting yes. And by a modest margin, that's what they did.
Glass house, throwing stones?
Regardless, America no longer has any moral authority to pressure anyone on anything. Obama's appeal to the rest of the world is that he appears to want it back, but it's still going to have to be earned.
Lemon law
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Woot Woot, the dem wins in Oregon, Coleman clings to a tiny lead in Minnesota that will go into an automatic recount, and Stevens clings to a tiny lead in Alaska that may be resolved when the remaining 40,000
mainly absentee ballots are counted.
Leaving the Georgia early December runoff election in a very special class all its own. Especially if, by some major miracle, the dems win the Senate races in both Minnesota and Alaska.
Because it would then leave the Senate race in Georgia to focus on a new and direct question, do the people of Georgia want the democrats to have a filibuster proof Senate?
And that is not necessarily going to be the last time the same issue will be raised in the early years of an Obama Presidency, one or more sitting Republican Senators may die in office and other may resign, either to take a place in the Obama administration, or to pursue other opportunities. Nor will the democratic side of the Senate be static either, right off the bat, new Senators must take the place of both Biden and Obama, Kerry may become Secretary of State leaving another to be replaced vacancy, and there is always the possibility of death by natural causes. If Edward Kennedy goes the same year Kerry goes, it could leave Massachusetts replacing two Senators in the same year.
mainly absentee ballots are counted.
Leaving the Georgia early December runoff election in a very special class all its own. Especially if, by some major miracle, the dems win the Senate races in both Minnesota and Alaska.
Because it would then leave the Senate race in Georgia to focus on a new and direct question, do the people of Georgia want the democrats to have a filibuster proof Senate?
And that is not necessarily going to be the last time the same issue will be raised in the early years of an Obama Presidency, one or more sitting Republican Senators may die in office and other may resign, either to take a place in the Obama administration, or to pursue other opportunities. Nor will the democratic side of the Senate be static either, right off the bat, new Senators must take the place of both Biden and Obama, Kerry may become Secretary of State leaving another to be replaced vacancy, and there is always the possibility of death by natural causes. If Edward Kennedy goes the same year Kerry goes, it could leave Massachusetts replacing two Senators in the same year.
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