***Official Discussing the Merits of the Iraqi Conflict thread*** How many casualties are acceptable - on both sides?

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Alistar7
A poll doesnt become the official Brazillian government position,lol.

Nice list, wheres the rest FOR? We already hace access to a complete list anyway, that is not the question in doubt.

Sigh.... Does anyone actually know exactly how many countries have publicly stated their opposition?

I've argued with brick walls before, but you really are something. You've been given the answer again, and again, and again, and again. If you're not capable of counting past 1, that isn't really my problem. If you want countries that mean anything, it's 9-7 against. If you want to add in the President's pointless bloat countries(Afghanistan, ha ha) plus the 10 that won't name themselves(how convenient)along with at least 50% of Africa then it's 45-36 for.

love how you can whine and claim that exact number was already provided, fine , what was it again? LOL

Seems to me the best number(s)???? you can come up hardly presnt a clear majority, too bad the total number is not known.

Hey, how about this, how many total oppose the war?

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
A poll doesnt become the official Brazillian government position,lol.

Of course not, idiot.

Brazillian government is against this war!!!! I already said that.

Try read reliable sources, or i have to find the official brazillian government position???

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Alistar7


Hey, how about this, how many total oppose the war?

Um, well see I just gave you numbers in the post that you quoted. Try reading it.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
A poll doesnt become the official Brazillian government position,lol.

Oops

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Alistar7
A poll doesnt become the official Brazillian government position,lol.

Oops

Hey, thanks.

One more info, this war is starting an anti-US movement here, the Brazilian Congress is starting to advice people to boycot american products, in this time of american economic recess.

Now, probably Bush will want to invade us too

, time to build some nukes like NK to protect ourselves.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Alistar7
A poll doesnt become the official Brazillian government position,lol.

Nice list, wheres the rest FOR? We already hace access to a complete list anyway, that is not the question in doubt.

Sigh.... Does anyone actually know exactly how many countries have publicly stated their opposition?

I've argued with brick walls before, but you really are something. You've been given the answer again, and again, and again, and again. If you're not capable of counting past 1, that isn't really my problem. If you want countries that mean anything, it's 9-7 against. If you want to add in the President's pointless bloat countries(Afghanistan, ha ha) plus the 10 that won't name themselves(how convenient)along with at least 50% of Africa then it's 45-36 for.

"Bloat countries"... I bet u think that the whopping 3 countries out of NATO that oppose the war are important: France/Germany/Canada... frankly we could say something derogatory about each, but 16 out of 19 is enough for me champ!! GOD BLESS AMERICA

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

"Bloat countries"... I bet u think that the whopping 3 countries out of NATO that oppose the war are important: France/Germany/Canada... frankly we could say something derogatory about each, but 16 out of 19 is enough for me champ!! GOD BLESS AMERICA

Excuse me, but you were the one saying that Eritrea's voice matters.

 

[Alistar7]

For:

Spain
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Britain
Australia
Phillipines

Against:

Russia
France
Germany
Mexico
Canada
China
Pakistan
Indonesia
Malaysia

Any significant omissions?

That LIST? Oh I clearly see all 45 members for so I will assume the other list is accurate too, thanks for giving the COMPLETE list, the total against is OFFICIALLY 9...

 

[SP33Demon]

Eritrea/Ethiopia are important, because it denounces your(?) claim that all 53 countries in Africa/AU are opposed...


What about the 10 elected members of the UN Security Council? We already know that only the US and UK are for, out of the permanent five:
The current 10 elected members are Mauritius (term ends December 2002), Mexico, Norway (term ends December 2002), Singapore (term ends December 2002), Syrian Arab Republic, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia (term ends December 200
(term ends December 2002), Guinea, and Ireland (term ends December 2002). I don't know the current updated list...


Syria and Mexico are against I've heard (plus one more to make six opposed), but the rest are for... there were NINE votes for the war, remember? But those countries are just "bloat" countries to you too obviously, b/c none of them appear on your "list" of "important" countries... u get the point.

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
For:

Spain
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Britain
Australia
Phillipines

Against:

Russia
France
Germany
Mexico
Canada
China
Pakistan
Indonesia
Malaysia

Any significant omissions?

That LIST? Oh I clearly see all 45 members for so I will assume the other list is accurate too, thanks for giving the COMPLETE list, the total against is OFFICIALLY 9...

Oh, you´re talking about the UN concil.

 

[LunarRay]

When what is death comes my way...
I'll care not the former nor the day,
awash in peaceful slumber.

But, when all rejoice and rise anew
"To late" we'll hear Him say...
"Its now your judgement day".

With that and all eternity,
a risky.. heavy price to pay
for all their criminality

 

[SP33Demon]

and that POINT would be: 16 of 19 countries in NATO approve, and 9 of 15 in the UN SECURITY COUNCIL are FOR.

If u need any more proof than that of "important" countries, then you're probably just sore Gore lost the election, part of Al Queda, or a liberal...

EDIT: Sorry Brazil, you aren't on either list... some in this thread might deem you "unimportant", lol...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
and that POINT would be: 16 of 19 countries in NATO approve, and 9 of 15 in the UN SECURITY COUNCIL are FOR.

If u need any more proof than that of "important" countries, then you're probably just sore Gore lost the election, part of Al Queda, or a liberal...

EDIT: Sorry Brazil, you aren't on either list... some in this thread might deem you "unimportant", lol...

well you make it sound as if they US position has MORE public official support.......... hard for them to admit apparently.

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
and that POINT would be: 16 of 19 countries in NATO approve, and 9 of 15 in the UN SECURITY COUNCIL are FOR.

If u need any more proof than that of "important" countries, then you're probably just sore Gore lost the election, part of Al Queda, or a liberal...

EDIT: Sorry Brazil, you aren't on either list... some in this thread might deem you "unimportant", lol...

This sucks

 

[Alistar7]

my just recieved pm from LocutusX



Your utter cluelessness is hilarious.

Ignoring the US and UK for now, since they are the primary players in this conflict, only Australia has troops there, and only Poland is PLANNING on sending troops (and only *200*, did you know that?). "Many other countries" my ass.

You ignore all the statements that the number of countries supporting AND the amount of contribution by the supporters is FAR less than the '91 Gulf War. You ignore most of what's being said in the official ATOT "merits of iraq war" thread. You continue to "bash" solely based on the White House figures listing # of countries who have chosen to provide press releases that "support" the war... without actually doing anything other than giving a thumbs-up, and of course you ignore the fact that the majority of the population in all these countries are against the war -- a stark contrast to the '91 Gulf War where even in FRANCE there was 50% public support for it, and 60-70% support in other parts of europe.

You refuse to examine possible reasons for why the "supporters" are, uh, "supporting".

BTW that thread link in the second PM you sent me is more an example of American stupidity than anything else. Fusetalk uses variable posts-per-page depending on users' settings. There's nothing on that page that incriminates me as being stupid, in fact there isn't a single post by me on that page. Keep trying though, kiddo.


And before I go... quoting you: "...if you are going to spout off everywhere about how few people support the war". Yes, few *people* (not governments), outside of the US and Israel, support the war. This has been stated in COUNTLESS media outlets and "analyses" by American first-tier (national) and international media outlets. If you care to dispute that fact, you're quite simply blind.



I'm the clueless one because HE cant tell me quite simply how many countries oppose?


it only takes a number dude, like your contention more offered support in 1991, 31 did, there are 45 this time....

one more time, and not to piss your piss in anger again, how many oppose?

See i got it down to three words so you dont get confused.


how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

how many oppose?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
and that POINT would be: 16 of 19 countries in NATO approve, and 9 of 15 in the UN SECURITY COUNCIL are FOR.

If u need any more proof than that of "important" countries, then you're probably just sore Gore lost the election, part of Al Queda, or a liberal...

EDIT: Sorry Brazil, you aren't on either list... some in this thread might deem you "unimportant", lol...

This sucks

Sorry man... I didn't want to bust out the heavy artillery, but u guys made me

 

[bauerbrazil]

About Australia, the last news i heard, the Senate voted agaisnt sending troops to Iraq.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
and that POINT would be: 16 of 19 countries in NATO approve, and 9 of 15 in the UN SECURITY COUNCIL are FOR.

If u need any more proof than that of "important" countries, then you're probably just sore Gore lost the election, part of Al Queda, or a liberal...

EDIT: Sorry Brazil, you aren't on either list... some in this thread might deem you "unimportant", lol...

This sucks

Sorry man... I didn't want to bust out the heavy artillery, but u guys made me

Well the best I can do apparently is go by UN members opinion, let's see 16 out of 19, 9 out of 15, those look pretty weighted towards supporting the war, now I'm confused, these fine thinking gentlemen have convinced me the rest of the world disagrees? How can this be with numbers like that??????? hhhhmmmmm ROTFLMAO

 

[Acanthus]

The UN is useless... all they do is squabble and waste time.

 

[Alistar7]

And how do the surrender monkeys get on the SECURITY COUNCIL??? That should tell you all you need to know. The French position, we will not accept any resolution that proposes an ultimatum (on someone who barely complies even under such conditions) or the use of force. That's a strong deterrent to the rest of the dictators, were not going to give you an ultimatum when you misbehave, and we wont use force. If your parents never bothered to tell you anything you did waswrong, and then you were never prosecuted for your wrongs you would turn into, well, probably someone like Saddam. From your continued insistence that this war is unjust one can't help but see your enourmous admiration, you and Chirac would get along well. The only AWE he is impressed by is Saddam's. (nice way for me to work in that old quote,lol)

 

[bauerbrazil]

Hum, how about absolute people, lets say China, Russia, France, Brazil, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Indonesia, South Africa, how many people against, huh?

Or the biggest economics?

 

[SP33Demon]

In response to the idiot who thinks polls are representative of the majority's opinion in any country:

I can spout off that the US doesn't like Bush, 60% from a "poll", yet that doesn't mean a dam thing, b/c the majority voted for him and chose him to represent us... so other countries respect our "official" stance of the war, which comes out of Capitol Hill, not the USA TodayGallups/Joe Schmoe poll...

Polls can change faster than a princess in a dressing room at Express.

 

[Alistar7]

a question can also be selcetivley worded to elicit the "desired" result.

Great thing though, soon enough the Iraqi people will be abe to take part in a poll and speak their true feelings and not worry about having their wives and children raped in front ofthem just before they get tossed in the plastic chipper.......


I think that governments of countries that legitimately have an opposition majority are acting porperly, they obviously have better intelligence about Saddam and in general, they are basing their decision on the facts of the matter, not their inherent bias and ignorance.

 

[Alistar7]

HAVE YOU EVER EVEN CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY the number of "people", not "countries", HUGE difference BTW, you must have missed class that day, protesting seems so much more significant because those in favor KNEW it was going to happen anyway? Alot less motivation to get off your butt and scream for them to do what they have already made clear they were going to, especially when you agree 100%

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
In response to the idiot who thinks polls are representative of the majority's opinion in any country:

I can spout off that the US doesn't like Bush, 60% from a "poll", yet that doesn't mean a dam thing, b/c the majority voted for him and chose him to represent us... so other countries respect our "official" stance of the war, which comes out of Capitol Hill, not the USA TodayGallups/Joe Schmoe poll...

Polls can change faster than a princess in a dressing room at Express.

I think like this way.

Bush got elected? Yes, the american vote system sucks so much, how can you give the same value to a state that has less people than other state. And you´re not obligated to vote. Probably Gore had more votes than Bush in total.

Here in Brazil is different, everyone has to vote, and there is no divisions(i don´t know the american term for this, electoral college?).

Thats why our president received more votes in history.

The vast majority people that i know is against this war, thats why i believe in that poll i related.