**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[EDUSAN]

base damage = weapon damage ?

so i have a shitty axe that says that deals 30 damage and i have 450 intelligence

so a skill that does 100% weapon damage does: 30x4,5 = 135 damage?

Don't think of your minions as dps

im not actually thinking that ... but if i want them to do more damage i just need to stack more weapon damage... if i want them to be more tanky i should get vitality? armor? if i get strenght items will that affect the minions in anyway? if i get crit chance and dext, will my minions crit more? those are the questions actually 😛

 

[slayer202]

Intelligence on weapons is not calculated in the weapon's listed DPS, correct?

 

[Anubis]

anybody knows what a WD needs besides intelligence for their minions to not suck?

i dont get what is all that with weapon damage ratio for skills. I can undertand it in a barb, monk, dh but on wizard/WD it makes no sense.

+intelligence is considered weapon damage? its not clear, i wish the skills would say the actual damage that they do and say somewhere else what is the ratio instead

The skill info sucks

IDK but the get 1 shot by everthing at low level. which is funny because the monks "pet" the aspect you can summon is a fing tank and hits like a truck

 

[darkewaffle]

The game is way too exploitable and glitchy right now, they need to patch some stuff ASAP. Newest thing I've noticed, the auctions I had up before the auction house went down last night are now non-searchable. They are listed on my selling page but it's impossible to find them. Awesome

You can't view your own auctions for quite obvious reasons. Also through all three difficulties I don't think I encountered even one glitch, and 'exploit' is a word pretty brazenly thrown around to describe anything players "don't like".

Wonder if eventually people will calculate the relative stat strengths for each class so that it would be easier to determine optimal stats to look for.

Currently for me am only using character DPS indicator to determine ups (within reason of course).

There's not really any definitive "best" stat because of the way they compound into your DPS. The primary ones are probably going to be straight up damage, your primary stat, and ASPD but crit rate and crit damage could come into play depending on how obtainable they are (they seem pretty uncommon in my experience so far, so I wouldn't really 'depend' on them). Essentially whichever one you have the 'least' of however is going to bring the greatest relative DPS increase because they're multiplicative.

You do realize you just described Diablo 3 as well, right? I think the fog of time has eroded people's memory of Diablo 2 and they somehow think it was any better than 3 in terms of what the game is ultimately aboue (hint: trying for specific armor while getting lower level stuff and just blowing up monsters).

Been seeing this a lot as well. I think people are reminiscing over D2 through some serious rose-colored glasses. The loot systems were practically identical; you could find a wand with +str or a greataxe with +int in D2, I don't know why anyone thinks otherwise.

And I just finished Hell still using at least a helm, pants, amulet, and ring I found early in NM. Gear can certainly last you a long time and pretending you found upgrades easily or quickly in D2 is absolute rubbish.

Far as the legendaries (uniques) are concerned, weapons are in kind of a rough spot because you'd outlevel their DPS so quickly barring some amazing randomization, but I see no reason you couldn't use legendary armor for a long time. 95% of all set items prior to Hell in D2 sucked, 95% of all unique items prior to hell in D2 sucked, and even a very large portion of Hell level uniques and set items went completely unused because they were garbage.

 

[momeNt]

Intelligence on weapons is not calculated in the weapon's listed DPS, correct?

I don't think primary stats are.

Which brings me to a separate point, I wish the tooltip compare worked in the AH.

It's annoying to not be able to cursor over the item and have the comparison be there as if it were in your bags. Same thing for linked items..

 

[darkewaffle]

I don't think primary stats are.

Which brings me to a separate point, I wish the tooltip compare worked in the AH.

It's annoying to not be able to cursor over the item and have the comparison be there as if it were in your bags. Same thing for linked items..

Weapon DPS is just that. It's the average damage done on a swing / swing speed of the weapon (swing speed does take ASPD modifiers on the weapon itself into account). No amount of Str/Dex/Int on the weapon changes that; however the comparative tooltips will take Str/Dex/Int into account.

And in general, in D3 pretty much every class wants as high of a DPS number on their weapon as possible.

 

[EDUSAN]

Which brings me to a separate point, I wish the tooltip compare worked in the AH.

i agree, specially if you are looking for a bunch of different type of items, its hard to remember what stats you have on each of them

You can check what your chars are wearing in the "sell" tab, though its not the same

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I don't think primary stats are.

Which brings me to a separate point, I wish the tooltip compare worked in the AH.

It's annoying to not be able to cursor over the item and have the comparison be there as if it were in your bags. Same thing for linked items..

What do you mean? It does work in the AH, as long as you've set the class/character filter to the appropriate character. OH, wait, you mean like the +100 damage thing? Nevermind then.

 

[slayer202]

You can't view your own auctions for quite obvious reasons.

are you 100% sure about this? I have some stuff I know should have sold by now if they were viewable

 

[darkewaffle]

are you 100% sure about this? I have some stuff I know should have sold by now if they were viewable

Not officially, but it makes sense and it's the only non tinfoil hat reason that I could look up 20+ pages of "Faithful Memory" legendary swords and not see the one I had for sale. It still sold however. That's the only one of my own I've even bothered to look for however.

Though other people seem to claim you can't see your own items or some listings get 'lost' during a maintenance, but I've not checked any such claims.

 

[keyed]

You know what would be nice, the ability to trade items with all your characters in the same screen. It'd be pretty simple to implement since all they would have to do is allow items to be moved in the AH Sell screen.

It's stupid that you have to load a game just to trade between characters. Just wasted time.

 

[crownjules]

I know I've thrown up stuff on the AH right after release and not been able to see it in searches. Makes sense. Auctions don't list the seller ID so you don't want to accidentally buy something that's your own and lose 15% of the value to the AH fee.

 

[Chiropteran]

I know I've thrown up stuff on the AH right after release and not been able to see it in searches. Makes sense. Auctions don't list the seller ID so you don't want to accidentally buy something that's your own and lose 15% of the value to the AH fee.

Except when you have 10 low level junk blue items listed for 1-3k buyouts and none are selling and you just want to get some off the market so you can sell the real loot you just found...

But that is a minor issue, can easily get a friend to buy them for you.

 

[slayer202]

I know I've thrown up stuff on the AH right after release and not been able to see it in searches. Makes sense. Auctions don't list the seller ID so you don't want to accidentally buy something that's your own and lose 15% of the value to the AH fee.

I don't think I've ever tried to find one of my items before, but it seems like a lot of people are complaining about items not showing up after the downtime. I'm pretty sure it's a legit issue. Especially for the people with millon+ gold items which will end with 5k gold bids...

 

[momeNt]

I have a hell of a time buying gems. I always fail and lose the gold and have to wait to get my gold back, and sometimes it will fail but still buy the gem, so I overbuy a lot because I spam the buyout... 🙁

 

[Ashenor]

You know what would be nice, the ability to trade items with all your characters in the same screen. It'd be pretty simple to implement since all they would have to do is allow items to be moved in the AH Sell screen.

It's stupid that you have to load a game just to trade between characters. Just wasted time.

I don't get what you saying, if you buy something it goes to your stash any character can access. When selling you can sell from your stash or any of your guys does not matter which one you are logged in on. There is a tab to pick between all your toons to sell stuff in there inventory.

 

[darkewaffle]

I don't think I've ever tried to find one of my items before, but it seems like a lot of people are complaining about items not showing up after the downtime. I'm pretty sure it's a legit issue. Especially for the people with millon+ gold items which will end with 5k gold bids...

I'd honestly attribute that to user error more than anything else. For most items, there are pages upon pages of very, very similar pieces of equipment and it would be extremely easy to overlook it.

 

[slayer202]

I'd honestly attribute that to user error more than anything else. For most items, there are pages upon pages of very, very similar pieces of equipment and it would be extremely easy to overlook it.

But it's quite hard when you're looking at rares. I'm at work otherwise I'd post my items and see if you guys could find em :/

 

[Madia]

Last night I finished with a Witch Doctor on normal. It was extremely easy and I never died once. Some of the bosses took less than 30 seconds to beat. After beating the game twice on normal I really think the game should've started with a harder difficulty. Playing it on normal is like the casual settings on other games where you're able to plow through the enemies and are basically playing for the story. I wish they started at a hard difficulty (lvl 1-30) then had a brutal difficulty (lvl 30 -60) and finally an insane difficulty.

Right now I'm going through with the Barbarian and then will go through with the Wizard. After that I'll figure out who I want to go through nightmare with.

As for my framerate problems mentioned before reinstalling the game seems to have fixed them.

 

[KidNiki1]

You know what would be nice, the ability to trade items with all your characters in the same screen. It'd be pretty simple to implement since all they would have to do is allow items to be moved in the AH Sell screen.

It's stupid that you have to load a game just to trade between characters. Just wasted time.

i'm confused...all your toons share access to the stash. why would you need to 'trade' anything? you got something on your Wiz that would be good for your Monk, put it in the stash. Keep playing. Get on Monk when you want to play Monk, open stash, there is item.

As for the AH, you can sell any non-damaged item any of your toons is wearing from the AH screen. There is a list to the right of the character gear section that lists all toons there. when you buy stuff it goes to the shared stash. I'm really not getting what you want it to do?

Also, i see Ashenor posted almost exactly the same thing as me and i spaced out and missed it lol. im sleepy. 🙁

 

[Majes]

Last night I finished with a Witch Doctor on normal. It was extremely easy and I never died once. Some of the bosses took less than 30 seconds to beat. After beating the game twice on normal I really think the game should've started with a harder difficulty. Playing it on normal is like the casual settings on other games where you're able to plow through the enemies and are basically playing for the story. I wish they started at a hard difficulty (lvl 1-30) then had a brutal difficulty (lvl 30 -60) and finally an insane difficulty.

Right now I'm going through with the Barbarian and then will go through with the Wizard. After that I'll figure out who I want to go through nightmare with.

As for my framerate problems mentioned before reinstalling the game seems to have fixed them.

Take the characters that you played normal with and move on to nightmare. In Diablo type games its a progression. It's not your usual difficulty setting. Its more like a continuation of the same game. Nightmare should be much more of a challenge.

 

[darkewaffle]

Also, Hell Izual is a bastard as a barbarian. Aside from a couple rough champion/elite packs he was definitely the enemy I had the most trouble with. Took a lot of skill switching to get the right setup that could survive/sustain through him.

 

[flexy]

We are now utterly confused about the most important stat, eg. for a wizard.

Everyone tells you INT, INT, INT and i had no reason to doubt this. On the forums, there are posts where people say that your spell DPS is derived from your weapon DPS...eg means that "weapon damage" would be the most important stat.

Low and behold, i got crazy results when i look at my wizard damage by testing out different weapons and stats:

* I had a weapon which i assumed "kick ass" with over 105 Intel on it which netted me barely 800 dps damage.
* Replacing the weapon with a cheap RANDOM "test weapon" which i bought from AH for only 900g which has strength (!!!) on it, an utterly worthless stat for a wiz but higher DPS and weapon damage...my damage went up almost 50%!!!
* Then i tweaked my DPS from a measly 800ish DPS to almost 1500 DPS just by selecting a weapon with the most DPS + empty socket - the stats like Intel etc. are totally irrelevant, it's about weapon DPS and putting a red gem in it. (Red gem is the best for weapons since it gives weapon damage which in turn gives more DPS than the other colors)

 

[tedrodai]

I don't get what you saying, if you buy something it goes to your stash any character can access. ...

i'm confused...all your toons share access to the stash. why would you need to 'trade' anything? ...

He knows all that. What he is saying is that it would be nice to be able to move things between your stash and EVERY character's inventory from 1 screen. The AH sell screen does allow you to see every character's inventory, including what they're wearing, so it would be nice to be able to just grab it and move it to another character from there.

Reduce a process like this:
1) select one character from menu screen
2) enter a game
3) put item(s) in shared stash
4) leave game
5) choose new character
6) enter a game
7) grab item(s)
8) repeat 4-7 for each character you want to move items to, or 1-8 if you got stuff to move back and forth between several characters' inventories

to this:
1) go to AH sell screen from menu
2) click a character's tab
3) grab item
4) click another character tab
5) place item
6) repeat as needed from the 1 screen

 

[Fallengod]

We are now utterly confused about the most important stat, eg. for a wizard.

Everyone tells you INT, INT, INT and i had no reason to doubt this. On the forums, there are posts where people say that your spell DPS is derived from your weapon DPS...eg means that "weapon damage" would be the most important stat.

Low and behold, i got crazy results when i look at my wizard damage by testing out different weapons and stats:

* I had a weapon which i assumed "kick ass" with over 105 Intel on it which netted me barely 800 dps damage.
* Replacing the weapon with a cheap RANDOM "test weapon" which i bought from AH for only 900g which has strength (!!!) on it, an utterly worthless stat for a wiz but higher DPS and weapon damage...my damage went up almost 50%!!!
* Then i tweaked my DPS from a measly 800ish DPS to almost 1500 DPS just by selecting a weapon with the most DPS + empty socket - the stats like Intel etc. are totally irrelevant, it's about weapon DPS and putting a red gem in it. (Red gem is the best for weapons since it gives weapon damage which in turn gives more DPS than the other colors)

Yes. Its not that confusing. All characters gain damage in this game by the weapon. It doesnt matter which type of weapon, just the dps matters. higher dps = higher damage period. Yes, Intelligence is the stat of a wizard to give damage but for the weapon, you want to concentrate on dps first. Worry about having int on other items.

Myself I have also opted to try and have all my rings with damage bonuses on them as well.