**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Super56K]

His argument wasn't that Kadala wasn't useful, just that the rate at which legendaries dropped has decreased. It has, and by a good amount. I have made around 100 million gold selling items from Kadala, just to give you an idea of how many shards I have spent. And, since the anniversary buff was been removed (not saying that it had anything to do with Kadala, just that the patch that removed it was there I noticed this change), the amount of legendaries I have gotten from Kadala has gone down multiple orders of magnitude.

My own evidence says it hasn't changed. This is just conspiracy based off tiny sample sizes. It's RNG. I don't run into a dry spell and start suspecting a debuff, the same way I don't think there was an additional buff because it's raining legendaries for a couple days. This seems to be endemic among the D3 community lately. Pretty much Blizzard decides to make the 100% buff permanent and in response a portion of the community seems intent on complaining, day after day, about suspected undocumented debuffs in other areas?

 

[Ertaz]

My own evidence says it hasn't changed. This is just conspiracy based off tiny sample sizes. It's RNG. I don't run into a dry spell and start suspecting a debuff, the same way I don't think there was an additional buff because it's raining legendaries for a couple days. This seems to be endemic among the D3 community lately. Pretty much Blizzard decides to make the 100% buff permanent and in response a portion of the community seems intent on complaining, day after day, about suspected undocumented debuffs in other areas?

We're all slaves of our own experience. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but my own recent experiences tend to make me think that there has been a debuff or I am being punished for transgressions from a prior life.

 

[Super56K]

We're all slaves of our own experience. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but my own recent experiences tend to make me think that there has been a debuff or I am being punished for transgressions from a prior life.

I guess I don't understand how people take a tiny sample size and make this huge leap to an ironclad conclusion. Even if there was some debuff, it only further proves how unreliable it is to draw conclusions on insignificant sample sizes when others have not seen a change in gambling legendaries at all.

 

[smackababy]

I guess I don't understand how people take a tiny sample size and make this huge leap to an ironclad conclusion. Even if there was some debuff, it only further proves how unreliable it is to draw conclusions on insignificant sample sizes when others have not seen a change in gambling legendaries at all.

Again, my sample size isn't a few hundred gambles. I have spent tens of thousands of shards on just gloves. And, like noted by another poster, the amount of legendaries has decreased significantly.

 

[Adrenaline]

Again, my sample size isn't a few hundred gambles. I have spent tens of thousands of shards on just gloves. And, like noted by another poster, the amount of legendaries has decreased significantly.

I gamble on a lot of things and her legendary rate has gone down. Watch streamers and their droprates have decreased, people watching the stream in chat say the same thing and people posting on the forums say the same thing.

Ever since they patched in the anniversary buff, people all over have been complaining about Kadala. I had to gamble over 3,000 times on helms just to get above a 1% legendary rate. Other items have been absolutely awful. Since that patch I have logged all my gambles (30k bloodshards worth) and I am sitting at a 0.75% MAYBE whereas before was around a 2.25%. Yes, I have literally seen my legendary droprate from her go down by 1/3.

I have seen all my clanmates mention it, without directly just complaining about how dreadful she has become. Heck, the guy I play with the most who has not complained about anything this expansion even mentioned how bad she has been lately.

Blizzard doesn't understand how their own loot works half the time. Before they patched in torment set items only to cache drops, I got my Earth set helm out of a cache on Torment 1 (at least two weeks before they made their change). They also stated that cache drop stats were determined by the character obtaining the cache, but that is wrong also. The stats are rolled by the one that opens it.

 

[Super56K]

Again, my sample size isn't a few hundred gambles. I have spent tens of thousands of shards on just gloves. And, like noted by another poster, the amount of legendaries has decreased significantly.

When I'm talking about too small sample sizes, I'm talking about tens of thousands. I've had a good run overall since the bonus weekend, but I don't believe that there's been further buffs than what they say. This is all conspiracy until Blizzard says something other than what they've been saying, which is that this is all conspiracy.

 

[smackababy]

When I'm talking about too small sample sizes, I'm talking about tens of thousands. I've had a good run overall since the bonus weekend, but I don't believe that there's been further buffs than what they say. This is all conspiracy until Blizzard says something other than what they've been saying, which is that this is all conspiracy.

You are literally the only person saying you haven't seen a reduction in legendaries from Kadala. There is no conspiracy. People are noticing that after the anniversary buff was removed, the drop rate from Kadala has decreased. That might have been because Kadala was bugged during the buff and had an inflated drop rate, but we don't know.

 

[Super56K]

You are literally the only person saying you haven't seen a reduction in legendaries from Kadala. There is no conspiracy. People are noticing that after the anniversary buff was removed, the drop rate from Kadala has decreased. That might have been because Kadala was bugged during the buff and had an inflated drop rate, but we don't know.

Literally? Hyperbole much? Because, well, you're orders of magnitude off on that claim. You're part of a very vocal minority in this. You have nothing significant to base your claims on, same as me, same as some guy getting crazy high loot drops, yet you're on the short end of RNG currently so the game is 'broken' and needs fixed while, as previously mentioned, drop rates have consistently gone up since RoS launch. . .yet so too have complaints.

 

[BudAshes]

I haven't noticed any difference in trolldala, but then again i have my own dumb conspiracies where I always gamble on high torment levels because I think you get more legendaries.

 

[Adrenaline]

Literally? Hyperbole much? Because, well, you're orders of magnitude off on that claim. You're part of a very vocal minority in this. You have nothing significant to base your claims on, same as me, same as some guy getting crazy high loot drops, yet you're on the short end of RNG currently so the game is 'broken' and needs fixed while, as previously mentioned, drop rates have consistently gone up since RoS launch. . .yet so too have complaints.

Nope, you are the one part of the minority on this one. There are not a small amount of people noticing Kadala is dropping less, but a lot more than on your side of it unfortunately.

You are one of the few I have seen that has not noticed any difference in her.

 

[ArenCordial]

She's always been stingy with me so no difference here. Though with RIF I wouldn't be surprised if they do or have stealth nerf her.

 

[Jumpem]

I gamble on a lot of things and her legendary rate has gone down. Watch streamers and their droprates have decreased, people watching the stream in chat say the same thing and people posting on the forums say the same thing.

Ever since they patched in the anniversary buff, people all over have been complaining about Kadala. I had to gamble over 3,000 times on helms just to get above a 1% legendary rate. Other items have been absolutely awful. Since that patch I have logged all my gambles (30k bloodshards worth) and I am sitting at a 0.75% MAYBE whereas before was around a 2.25%. Yes, I have literally seen my legendary droprate from her go down by 1/3.

I have seen all my clanmates mention it, without directly just complaining about how dreadful she has become. Heck, the guy I play with the most who has not complained about anything this expansion even mentioned how bad she has been lately.

Blizzard doesn't understand how their own loot works half the time. Before they patched in torment set items only to cache drops, I got my Earth set helm out of a cache on Torment 1 (at least two weeks before they made their change). They also stated that cache drop stats were determined by the character obtaining the cache, but that is wrong also. The stats are rolled by the one that opens it.

How have you gone through 30k blood shards? What difficulty to you do Rifts on, and which for Bounties?

 

[Adrenaline]

How have you gone through 30k blood shards? What difficulty to you do Rifts on, and which for Bounties?

I play a lot. I hit paragon level 446 earlier. I was paragon level 201 at the start of the expansion. I looked at my account earlier and I have amassed around 115k bloodshards.

I do T5 rifts nonstop on my Barb or WD. Today I ran T6 a bunch on my WD. When I run with my friend, we blow through T5 rifts very fast.

I do T5 bounties on my Barb. I have done bounties on T5 since the last patch.

 

[flexy]

I have noticed WAY too many discrepancies for drop rates, sometimes from one day to the other...sometimes even from one RIFT to the other..including Kadala....so that I stopped making ANY assumptions or come up with any theories in regards to drop rates.

For example, the first two days when they had the anniversary buff, my drop rate was extremely poor (!) this very weekend, just to have a crazy spike and drops like crazy the following Monday where I got like 6-7 per rift.

It also happens relatively often that I get 500 shards, trade them in and then get like 5-6 "pity legs" from it, the next day it can happen I trade in 2x500 shards and get literally NO leg whatsoever.

So I could come up with some theory how "drop rates have been decreased" based on my observations one day... and I guarantee you the next day the exact opposite happens. I think we all saw stuff like that happening already.

 

[Cappuccino]

This game is passing me off now. I finally found the SMK knfie for my WD and it had 1889k dps. I instantly salvaged it. I love RNGesus.

 

[Cappuccino]

I have noticed WAY too many discrepancies for drop rates, sometimes from one day to the other...sometimes even from one RIFT to the other..including Kadala....so that I stopped making ANY assumptions or come up with any theories in regards to drop rates.

For example, the first two days when they had the anniversary buff, my drop rate was extremely poor (!) this very weekend, just to have a crazy spike and drops like crazy the following Monday where I got like 6-7 per rift.

It also happens relatively often that I get 500 shards, trade them in and then get like 5-6 "pity legs" from it, the next day it can happen I trade in 2x500 shards and get literally NO leg whatsoever.

So I could come up with some theory how "drop rates have been decreased" based on my observations one day... and I guarantee you the next day the exact opposite happens. I think we all saw stuff like that happening already.

I told you. I said this couple pages back.
Blizzard can deny all they want, they are scumbags anyway.

 

[sweenish]

Nope, you are the one part of the minority on this one. There are not a small amount of people noticing Kadala is dropping less, but a lot more than on your side of it unfortunately.

You are one of the few I have seen that has not noticed any difference in her.

Consider the number of people posting online about this specific issue.

Consider the total amount of active players.

Anything online is just about always vocal minority.

 

[Adrenaline]

Consider the number of people posting online about this specific issue.

Consider the total amount of active players.

Anything online is just about always vocal minority.

Yeah, sure. My friends list, clanmates, different forum posters, those people's friends and other people I have played with all say the same thing.

 

[Ertaz]

I guess I don't understand how people take a tiny sample size and make this huge leap to an ironclad conclusion. Even if there was some debuff, it only further proves how unreliable it is to draw conclusions on insignificant sample sizes when others have not seen a change in gambling legendaries at all.

I don't think I wrote a whitepaper with empirical evidence and an ironclad conclusion that the drop rate from Kadala had been debuffed for everyone. My comment was that my experience seemed to indicate that was the case for me.

How dare you. My personal conclusion from my own experience with a video game cast as unreliable? How will I ever sleep at night?

 

[darkewaffle]

Oh man this thread is awesome so often

 

[Super56K]

I don't think I wrote a whitepaper with empirical evidence and an ironclad conclusion that the drop rate from Kadala had been debuffed for everyone. My comment was that my experience seemed to indicate that was the case for me.

How dare you. My personal conclusion from my own experience with a video game cast as unreliable? How will I ever sleep at night?

This is essentially what people are saying: Lets say I farmed like crazy and after seven days it's 20,000 total blood shards spent. I gamble everything on 5 shard items. I post my results and say, "Here's Kadala's drop rates as of the latest patch guys: X legendaries per 100 shards. Drop rates are screwed. Blizzard has to fix this or I'm done."

People jump in saying I'm wrong based on their individual results for a similar number of shards spent. I say no, they're wrong, I put in the work and figured it out because I gambled 20,000 shards in a week. That's more than enough to tell. It's 20k! True and not true, because they are my drop rates for those 20k shards, but only mine and 20k is barely a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. That's about how useful these assertions are. None of us have the tools to test it, or the old data to compare it against. Working as intended or not, none us know that answer unless we're employed at Blizzard and working on the game.

Here's what I do know about Blizzard and their broken game off the top of my head:

Drop rates buffed multiple times - including Kadala.
100% buff made the new normal.
Blood shard amounts increased for higher torments.
Crafting/Gem costs decreased.
Torment only legendaries able to be gambled.
Buffed plan drops.

That's a hell of a good run in a few months compared to what the game used to be (and what they used to do when patching things). It's also a lot of fun.

Quick edit for clarification - My position on this is that I don't have one. I'm surprised at the number of people out there that have cracked the RNG drop system and can easily tell when it's working and not working.

 

[Adrenaline]

This is essentially what people are saying: Lets say I farmed like crazy and after seven days it's 20,000 total blood shards spent. I gamble everything on 5 shard items. I post my results and say, "Here's Kadala's drop rates as of the latest patch guys: X legendaries per 100 shards. Drop rates are screwed. Blizzard has to fix this or I'm done."

People jump in saying I'm wrong based on their individual results for a similar number of shards spent. I say no, they're wrong, I put in the work and figured it out because I gambled 20,000 shards in a week. That's more than enough to tell. It's 20k! True and not true, because they are my drop rates for those 20k shards, but only mine and 20k is barely a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. That's about how useful these assertions are. None of us have the tools to test it, or the old data to compare it against. Working as intended or not, none us know that answer unless we're employed at Blizzard and working on the game.

Here's what I do know about Blizzard and their broken game off the top of my head:

Drop rates buffed multiple times - including Kadala.
100% buff made the new normal.
Blood shard amounts increased for higher torments.
Crafting/Gem costs decreased.
Torment only legendaries able to be gambled.
Buffed plan drops.

That's a hell of a good run in a few months compared to what the game used to be (and what they used to do when patching things). It's also a lot of fun.

Quick edit for clarification - My position on this is that I don't have one. I'm surprised at the number of people out there that have cracked the RNG drop system and can easily tell when it's working and not working.

Blizzard has done better with loot, but as I stated above:

Blizzard doesn't understand how their own loot works half the time. Before they patched in torment set items only to cache drops, I got my Earth set helm out of a cache on Torment 1 (at least two weeks before they made their change). They also stated that cache drop stats were determined by the character obtaining the cache, but that is wrong also. The stats are rolled by the one that opens it.

 

[lupi]

And some other good news, if you don't want to play in seasons you never have to; all "season" only items will become game wide at the end of each season.

 

[DeathReborn]

While Trolldala is an issue for some (including me) their biggest issue is borrowing EA's netcode for RoS. Anyone getting disconnects upon not just game loads but level transitions it's down to the netcode introduced with RoS.

I am a casual player, I have deliberately avoided all the exploits (low lvl T6 etc) and don't try to compete with the best or run the best builds. Hell some people laugh at my Crusader but stop when they all die to a boss/guardian and I just stand there plugging away in blissful ignorance.

I had a little go at HC in D3V but was more focused on SC at the time & with RoS have finally gotten up and running with a cold Wiz. Now if only 1 of the the 3 Azurewraths I have found in RoS were on HC...

 

[Jumpem]

I play a lot. I hit paragon level 446 earlier. I was paragon level 201 at the start of the expansion. I looked at my account earlier and I have amassed around 115k bloodshards.

I do T5 rifts nonstop on my Barb or WD. Today I ran T6 a bunch on my WD. When I run with my friend, we blow through T5 rifts very fast.

I do T5 bounties on my Barb. I have done bounties on T5 since the last patch.

Thanks for the information. I can do T6, but I think the XP ends up being less having to be more defensive. I can be completely offensive and move through T4 much quicker.