**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

Discussion in 'PC Gaming' started by SMOGZINN, Aug 25, 2011.

  1. Feneant2

    Feneant2 Golden Member

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    I look at this daily, you're looking at about 500-750k... whoever said 400 million was definitely thinking it's a 1 hander...

    Edit: Noticed it does have a socket, you may be able to get a million for it but I'd be surprised.
     
  2. PowerYoga

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    The thing can roll over 100% on crit dmg and the damage you got is on the low side. I got one that was 1520~ damage with 110% crit (no socket) and the average price is only about 10 mil. For this to be worth anything more it needs both crit damage and socket.

    I'd say a mil just because it has a socket, but that's a stretch since even with a perfect gem the crit dmg is lower than a normal roll for CD that occurs natively.
     
  3. Patt

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    I'd buy that Boulder Breaker for a million.

    edit: if I had a million
     
  4. Imp

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    Wow... found 3 more uniques last night. Every single one at or over level 60, but every single one was turd. Gladiator Gauntlets? Unique Polearm?
     
  5. j&j

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    who wants some lacuni prowlers?

    100dex
    110 life regen
    8% attack speed
    3% crit chance

    50 milli?
     
  6. smackababy

    smackababy Lifer

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    Well this is the last time I use the RMAH... Decided to buy an item because there wasn't one like it on gold AH. Well Blizzard has no problem taking my money instantly. However, its been over 24 hours and I don't have the item. The transaction is still processing. I put in a ticket about 12 hours ago and no response. Glad they are so prompt in taking money but not giving the items. All of this over a mere $3.
     
  7. pandemonium

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    They've certainly gone overboard on legitimizing each transaction and all have to go through their ridiculous approval process. I can't imagine how much fun that job is. I also imagine that that job is in China, of all places. :eek:
     
  8. smackababy

    smackababy Lifer

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    I still haven't gotten the item... Blizzard will be getting no more of my money. Oh I did get a response and they said it can take 3-5 days. Seriously? You took my money instantly and I have to wait? This can't be 100% legal.
     
  9. silverpig

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    Found some str/vit IK boots today. They were bought within an hour at 40M gold (I think... might be a little off... I think I got 34M after the tax).

    Turned around and upgraded my old Litany of the Undaunted with a new one that has crit dmg on it. The old one without CD is currently on the AH.

    I'll keep my Wailing Host until I finally get a good roll on a hellfire ring.
     
  10. Zenoth

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    I can't sell much, if almost nothing at all (really, I can sell but it's excruciatingly difficult) at the Gold AH. I was reading some people's comments on the General chat earlier today about how over-priced most items are at the GAH (and surely, RMAH too). Also, some people claiming that you're a "noob" if when you find an item you go check the GAH for comparison purposes and come up with a "value for it" afterwards. The problem is... there is no other way of doing it, and yes I agree doing it that way isn't going to make your item's so called "value" the right value anyway.

    I have the feeling that some players around are completely new to the whole Diablo thing, it ain't new to D3. There's no real or "right" value for items, yet people claim most items are over-priced. How can they be under or over-priced if in the end we don't even know what is the item's value to start with?

    Ok, so how and why is it that for example... say... the cheapest Stormshields around sell for approximately 10 to 12 million Gold? I don't know. I guess that someone out there decided that when he found what happened to be a low quality SS roll and it was the only one like that around he told himself "Ok so... the closest one stats-wise I see by comparison at the AH is 18 million Gold, but this one I found had quite lower stats than that one so... let's leave it at say... 12 million, yep that should do it". Then the next thing you know a few days later the hundred other Stormshields with similar stats found by the hundred other Mr. Joes were left at the GAH at around 10 to 12 million Gold.

    The other extreme is right too. Who decided that a SS with 10% Crit Chance, 30% Block and 190+ Strength on it was "worth" 100 million? And why is it that others around finding similar stats SS around think for themselves (or do they?) saying "Well... if the next best SS I can see at the GAH is 100 million and mine is almost identical then it means I'll leave mine at around 95 million... because I'm totally sure that about 1% of the D3's player base whom are Inferno-able actually do have 100 million Gold to spend on ONE item, yep that's ok, 95 million Gold it is!".

    Now, myself, I find decent items and of course most of them are Rares, because Legendary items really aren't Legendary items unless they roll almost perfect and not only that, they need to roll the specific stats you want too (and of course, those need to be good rolls). So, anyway... I recently found a pair of rare pants. There's 2 sockets, 93 base Dexterity (sockets are empty), 126 Vitality, 74 Strength, +61 All Res and 15% Gold Find. The only similar pants I saw when I looked for that (for a few days, since I couldn't sell the pants in question for that long) at the GAH were the Depth Diggers I think the name is, it's a pair of Legendary pants. There were other rare pants with relatively similar stats but not quite "there" by comparison. The problem is that some of the Depth Diggers that were on the list were selling at buyout for approximately 40 million or so were not even all as good as the pants I was trying to sell. With the sole exception of the fact that Depth Diggers of course always have some Magic Find on them, which my pants don't have... but of course we all know that MF alone is so worth it that your item is always worth millions, right?

    So, yeah, then I filtered the search to remove Legendary results and only include rare items. In that list of rare pants with "similar stats" (mostly lower than my own pants, some higher but not many) the buyout prices weren't that better, but better nonetheless... but still, quite an exaggeration. When I looked (yesterday) the lowest buyout for a similar pants was at 21 million, with a starting bid at 8 million. So I told myself that if those pants have been at the GAH for so many days without selling... it's for a good reason, right? Because everyone right in their mind with that kind of Gold at their disposal would not leave such great pants taking virtual dust at the GAH if their toon(s) needed them, right? But, wait, why oh why aren't those pants selling?! ZOMG could it be because... because they're too expensive!?

    O_O!!! [insert light bulb picture here] "Eureka!" What if I dramatically lowered the buyout of my pants?! Could... omg... omg... could that work!!??

    So, sarcasm aside (that's just in case some people's sarcasm meter were off when reading the above) I proceeded to do just that. And lo and behold... oh wait, actually lo and and behold I was wrong! It STILL doesn't sell. So I tried leaving my pants at "just" 4 million Gold buyout BUT... but wait! The starting bid was 75K, "not so bad" then huh? Well guess what? I've tried that for four days now, there's no one even BIDDING on them. You want them for 75K and not 4 million because 4 million is too much? Then go for it and bid at 75K, who knows you might win! Yeah? Well... no, supposedly not.

    So am I supposed to just give them for free at a charity or something? Are we really supposed to invent values out of our collective butts and pretend they're the "right" value, only to receive those kind "lol" replies when we post them on the Trade chat? Are we supposed to still use D2JSP? Seriously? I'm sick of this. The only stuff I CAN immediately sell are... hmmm... ok Gems... yeah I can sell that. Also, Tomes of Secrets, yup that works (takes a crap load of them to make it worth it though, like... a week worth of accumulated Tomes after that long of grinding and keeping all the ones you find). What else... oh yeah Plans and hmmm... that's.... about it.

    Ok I am exaggerating. Nah, actually I do sell actual items (seriously I do). But I assure you that most of them are relative junk rares and I happened to leave them at the GAH at a buyout of no more than 25K to "get rid of them". Are D3 players that cheap? Are D3 players actually walking onto the Gold that's dropping on the ground when they play? Look... in ONE run of Inferno A3 Keeps at MP0 or MP1 I can easily make 200K+ Gold, mostly by constantly going back and forth between the Keeps and town to sell everything that dropped except gray/white items (those I don't touch). Such runs take me no more than maybe 30 minutes, probably less (I just don't look at how long it takes).

    I, myself, am absolutely willing to and DID buy single items at the GAH sold at 10+ million Gold. I AM buying items at such prices when I want them bad. Do I think they are over-priced? Yes! Do I think they would sell faster at 500K instead? Well huh yeah but they'd be gone in a second (or perhaps not) and I wouldn't find such items. Can it take me up to two weeks to accumulate enough Gold to buy ONE item? Yes. Does it annoy me? Yes. But do I do it anyway? Yes! WHY is it that what looks like the majority of Inferno players DON'T and always want everything they want for their toons be sold at 10K or 5K? WTF. I can get 500K+ after completing Act 3 on MP1 which takes maybe 2 or 3 hours (that's just a guess). If I had 500K ONLY at my disposal I would NOT immediately go check out the GAH for an item. I would wait until I got to at least 5 million and THEN I would check the GAH, and I MIGHT buy (buyout) something at 5 million BUT if I don't then I have plenty of Gold room to play them bidding wars around starting at (yes, starting) 500K.

    Whatever...

    Oh and the same goes with those so called "Price Checks". Hey, guys, there's NO KNOWN VALUE for your items! Stop asking! Get in your mind that the one guy whose reading your "Please PC this item" question in Trade or General chat will reply based on HIS OWN definition of the item's "value" which itself is also based on the types of stats he happens to like for his favorite builds. There is NO KNOWN VALUE. So you know what? Just do like all the "noobs" out there, check the GAH, make comparisons by the search filters and cross your fingers that a kind soul will grind his heart out for that one item of yours for a week to finally be able to afford it, only to realize at that point that the item is gone and was probably merely removed by the owner out of desperation.
     
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  11. Imp

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    Elitist nerd losers (or even non-nerds) will be elitist losers. * them.

    I price check when I have a quality item, then low ball everyone else. It's probably the only reason my stuff sells pretty regularly. Having said that, I probably lose quite a bit of money by not selling at "optimal" prices. Other items that may or may not be good, I throw on for 150k gold or less. A lot of turd sells for under 100k, and the rest at 75k or under never sell. I now put stuff on the AH once, and if it doesn't sell, I vendor it - exceptions for expensive stuff.

    Earlier, I found a Mempo of <something> and sold it for only 1.3 million-ish because there were 5 other similar stat ones for 1.5 million.
     
  12. PhatoseAlpha

    PhatoseAlpha Platinum Member

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    Well, Blizzard could really help the economy's pricing by allowing you to search for recently sold items, and what prices they sold for. A huge portion of the creep is that the higher priced things don't sell, thus stay on the AH, and that's what you see.
     
  13. Imp

    Imp Lifer

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    Searching for recently sold items would only be helpful for uniques, but it really isn't that hard.

    Ignore buyout prices, they are usually set at stupid prices.

    Search for items with similar stats, then sort by time left to bid. Look at all the round 000,000 numbers and you'll see what's too high. What you really want is the lowest prices on the first few pages. See what is the general average, and then stalk one of them until they hit under 5 minutes left to bid, then add 10-20%. Prices usually pop about a million or so for items under 10 million in the last minute.

    Just now, I got outbid by someone on an Andariel's Visage. I had it until the last 20 seconds, then someone jumped in. Luckily, there was a very similar item for a similar price expiring within 10 minutes. I said eff it and put in a bid 1 million about the going bid with a minute left and won - even got a 150k refund.
     
  14. smackababy

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    The value of any item is what people are willing to pay for it. The thing is, your story doesn't take into effect that there are much better set pants. For a dex user, you want Inna's Temperance, and the cheapest is 6mil buy out right now. That not only always has 2 sockets, but dex, movement speed and 1% crit chance.

    And the people who are looking for end game items have hundreds of millions of gold. There is a reason you don't see 1400 dps Manticores with 2 sockets and 100 crit damage. Because the "value" is above the maximum gold you are allowed to sell and item for. I am surprised that Mempo sold Imp. Andi's Visage is the budget version of that helmet. You can get better low end stats for cheaper.

    The AH, at least for endgame, isn't just about what stats a rare has, it has to do with if there is an item or a set piece that can give better utility because of an always on stat.


    Another reason these low end items are getting harder to sell is because the only people who want a 25k pair of pants are people who just hit 60 and have no other 60's. People who are new to Diablo. Those kinds of buyers have gone down a lot I'd wager. Most players are shopping for upgrades or items for a new character, which they can spend much more anyway.
     
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  15. Wyndru

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    I put majority of my decent rares up for 2x vendor selling value. And I still rarely sell anything. It doesn't really matter to me though, I don't buy anything off of the AH to have a need for millions of gold, and gold farming has kept my head above water so far in inferno.

    I can't believe I ignored the LOH stat on my barb up until now. I just recently got a 2H sword with 1200 LOH, and while it's not the most ideal weapon for my current build, it really saves on the health pots, and minimizes my "OH S#!T" moments. I'm paragon 4 and only running MP1 act1 so hopefully I'll find something better soon, but for now I'm happy.
     
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  16. digiram

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    Everyone asked for it, and now they're getting it. They've increased the drop rates of legendaries and uniques, so rares aren't going to sell that well anymore... unless it rolls insane stats. Even legendaries and prices of set items have dropped dramatically.

    I am thoroughly enjoying the game more now though. Due to lack of ability to move good items in AH, no one cares about making gold and such anymore and are sharing all their goods with each other.

    This weekend, I helped a buddy out by buying him a pair of inna's temp for his DH. He finds str roll Vile Ward and gives it to me. Buddy of mine gave me an interesting legendary wand with high elemental damage so I can test with my wiz, tells me i can keep it.

    Did some uber runs, and I lent a friend my entire set of Barb gear. Was a lot of fun.

    I really don't get excited over legendary drops anymore. I'm more interested in finding that super diesel ammy or ring now.
     
  17. darkewaffle

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    MP and a break have gotten my friends back into D3. I'm still more interested in getting 80 on my Elementalist, but we'll see. It might be amusing to romp back through it a bit.
     
  18. Zenoth

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    So...

    I kinda just found the IK chest armor from a regular mob. It has 797 Armor, 175 Strength (base), 3 sockets (of course, I think they always get 3), 222 Vitality, +76 All Res... and man it kicks some serious ass. My previous armor had no res at all, although it had very similar stats (Archon armor, 3 sockets too, similar Str and Vit, but no Res). I also tanked a uber run at MP7 with it. It was the Turmoil portal I think, the one with the siege beast (from Act 3). I isolated the beast alone and tanked it non-stop (the others dps'ed the heck out of Khule), he barely scratched me, and I don't even have any LoH (absolutely zero of it) only Life Regen (around 2.2K Life Regen per second or so).

    Slowly, but surely, my Barb is getting where I want him to be (mixture between dps and tanking). Now I need some extra Attack Speed... not sure which items to sacrifice and replace to add that stat amongst the stuff I have. I might go with that Twitching Hour belt I think is the name, with some IAS on it. If not then maybe a new Ring (or two) with it. But anyway, very happy about the IK find. That, and also if I could find a Sky Splitter with a socket for extra Crit Hit Damage it'd help my dps when switching to a tank build (not much can hurt me, but my dps goes down the drain when I do that).
     
  19. PowerYoga

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    define a "decent rare".

    Decent rare that's sellable in the auction house is mainstat + vitality + 2 or 3 of a desirable prefix.

    Example:

    helm must have socket, mainstat, vit, crit chance, all resist is nice.
    Boots must have 12% runspeed, main stats and preferably all resist.

    so on and so forth. Anything less than that? vendor. Out of a batch of 100 rares I'd say maybe 1 or 2 is worth putting on the ah at any given time. Rest will have either ridiculously stupid rolls (gold drop, thorns + life regen) or low rolls.
     
  20. Wyndru

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    That might be my problem, I have less requirements for putting them up on the ah. I usually just make sure there is a mainstat + vitality and 1 high prefix (crit, all resist, etc...).

    Thanks for this post, I'll use this info.
     
  21. PowerYoga

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    That's the problem. all resist is nice but its not a deal breaker: it has to have a dps stat or at the very least all resist + magic find.

    Main state + vit + prefix that is NOT all resist will rarely sell (or nobody looks for it) unless it looks like this:

    bracers:

    200+ mainstat, 6% crit.

    Boots:

    150 (preferably 170+) mainstat, 150 vit, 12% movement speed.

    Gloves:

    150-180 mainstat, crit, crit damage, aspd: pick 2 out of 3.

    You have to keep in mind you're competing with legendaries in those categories as well, specially boots which has to compete against fire walkers and ice climbers. I tend to not bother with anything that has crit below 4.
     
  22. isekii

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    I don't have trouble selling stuff.

    Recently sold a Int Skorn. Started at 35mil didn't sell for 2 attempts listed at same price~ so I listed it for 32mil and sold within 12 hours.

    You don't have to price everything ridiculously low. If it doesn't sell on GAH, try listing it at RMAH. That's what I do. There are certain items i know that will sell on RMAH that I know will not sell on GAH.
    making .25 - 1.00 per transaction on RMAH adds up and vice versa.
     
  23. Feneant2

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    The gold auction house seems to be a buyer's market currently, just have to be lucky and look often. I've seen the same items sell between 30k gold to 2 million. It seems purely random, I bought my STR Andariel's visage for 33k gold and when I looked a few days later similar ones were listed (and selling when looking at remaining duration) for 50x the price with stats that are nearly identical.

    Not a bad thing though, before 1.05 it would have cost probably 150 million to upgrade my barb and since 1.05 I added 10k dps and 15k hp for about 10 million gold pieces. For a barbarian, all resist stuff like Vile Ward (str only), Depth Diggers (str only), 3 slotted blackthorn chest (vit only), blackthorne belt (str only), Andariel's Visage (str only) can be had for a few hundred thousands at this point, maybe even less if you are lucky. Just be patient, no point buying the first one you see unless you are absolutely certain the price is right.
     
  24. Wyndru

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    Something I was wondering, is there a reason why gold sellers are still spamming general? Can they really undercut the cost of gold on the AH? I've never really looked at the RMAH, so I don't know the current cost of in-game gold. I'm just surprised that the gold sellers are still around even when you can buy it directly from the RMAH.

    It doesn't seem like Blizz is doing anything about them either. They spam, then everyone reports, then the next time you log in the same account spams again. I've seen 4 or 5 different accounts spamming over the course of the last 6 weeks. I assume this is because it's the way that WoW works, where you report spamming and it only ignores them on your account until you log off, then back on.
     
  25. digiram

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    There you go, that is the big ticket item you need. 200 vit is huge on that. You should just sell it for millions, and get a lower vit one on the cheap, then you can upgrade everything.

    I've been running a bit dry lately, probably due to key runs, and not doing full farming runs anymore. I tell my buddies that have been struggling that they will have their time, and it always happens.