**Official** Condoleezza Rice - 9/11 Testimony Thread (CkG-Approved)

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: ThePresence
That's not exactly breaking news and we didn't need Clarke to say that. It's been common knowledge for years.

EXACTLY! I think a few of you in here are missing something: just because Clarke said something doesn't make it newsworthy. Nor does Condi's confirmation of anything make it newsworthy. It has to be something that people DIDN'T know in the first place.

When she confirms Clarke's assertion that Bush didn't do enough to combat terrorism, THEN come in here and post excitedly.

Richard Clarke's main criticism was the Bush Admin's handling post-9/11 and its move to focus on Iraq. That was why he ended up writing the book.

 

[dmcowen674]

She thinks she's on a SoapBox.

She is giving a giant speech, not answering the questions. CAD has trained her well.

 

[ThePresence]

Okay, NOW the witchhunt is on. Let's not let her finish her answer, we just want to hear what we just want to hear. Disgusting.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
She thinks she's on a SoapBox.

She is giving a giant speech, not answering the questions. CAD has trained her well.

No she's not, she's just trying to put her answers in context.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
She thinks she's on a SoapBox.

She is giving a giant speech, not answering the questions. CAD has trained her well.

No - that jack ass isn't letting her speak. She has every right to answer the question specifically (which she has done) and address the issue of the question.

And why the FSCK are people clapping?

CkG

 

[conjur]

They're both being a bit combative and I think that's counter-productive.

 

[ThePresence]

I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

More like she wants to say what she wants to say without answering the questions.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

Yeah, who exactly is he? I can't read his name card thing.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

More like she wants to say what she wants to say without answering the questions.

please post the question she didn't answer.

CkG

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

More like she wants to say what she wants to say without answering the questions.

Which question hasn't she answered? The guy is asking her leading questions with an assumed answer that he wants to hear which may not be based on anything at all.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

Yeah, who exactly is he? I can't read his name card thing.

CkG

Ben-Veniste (sp?)

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

Yeah, who exactly is he? I can't read his name card thing.

CkG

Ben-Veniste (sp?)

*Adds him to personal hate list*

 

[conjur]

Now speaking is Fred Fielding (R).

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

Yeah, who exactly is he? I can't read his name card thing.

CkG

Ben-Veniste (sp?)

Yup that's him

His questioning was a bit misleading as ThePresence has suggested. Yes, we know there are time limits and such but to ask the loaded questions he was asking without allowing contextual references and such would not allow the panel to see the whole picture.

CkG

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

That would be Ben-Veniste the commissions resident DNC attack dog.

 

[CaptnKirk]

<STRONG>MODS !</STRONG> - Can you sticky this so it stays to the top ?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

Yeah, who exactly is he? I can't read his name card thing.

CkG

Ben-Veniste (sp?)

Yup that's him

His questioning was a bit misleading as ThePresence has suggested. Yes, we know there are time limits and such but to ask the loaded questions he was asking without allowing contextual references and such would not allow the panel to see the whole picture.

CkG

Oh, he's a bigshot lawyer! I see, things are clearer now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People who like congressional fact finding and sausage should not watch either being made. This is exactly what everyone goes through. They aren't going to be "nice" to Rice because she is a woman or a Republican or anything else. Do really believe the Starr commission was a kinder gentler one? Hardly. This is a hearing about 9/11 which was bad enough on it own, and served as the trigger for the Iraqi war. If she or any other high level official cannot take the heat, they should never have taken the position.

 

[dmcowen674]

Same thing over and over. Ridge might as well be in the seat.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm listening on the radio so I don't know who this asshole is that's asking her questions: This guy is on a mission to make the administration look bad regardless of her answers. He should not be on an investigative panel. He won't let her finish her answers, he just wants to hear what he wants to hear. He's playing to the crowd like the goddamn politician I'm sure he is.

That would be Ben-Veniste the commissions resident DNC attack dog.

Makes sense. From the tone of his questioning, I can tell that he's a partisan asshole.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
People who like congressional fact finding and sausage should not watch either being made. This is exactly what everyone goes through. They aren't going to be "nice" to Rice because she is a woman or a Republican or anything else. Do really believe the Starr commission was a kinder gentler one? Hardly. This is a hearing about 9/11 which was bad enough on it own, and served as the trigger for the Iraqi war. If she or any other high level official cannot take the heat, they should never have taken the position.

Nobody expects them to be "nice". I do however expect them to be civil. The purpose of an investigative panel is to find answers, not to make political points. If someone goes into new testimony ASSUMING answers to questions which were not yet asked because it fits one's political viewpoints, that person has no business being on such a panel. He's not looking for answers, he's looking for what he wants to find.

 

[CaptnKirk]

"I can tell that he's a partisan asshole."

What we need are Bi-Partisan assholes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
People who like congressional fact finding and sausage should not watch either being made. This is exactly what everyone goes through. They aren't going to be "nice" to Rice because she is a woman or a Republican or anything else. Do really believe the Starr commission was a kinder gentler one? Hardly. This is a hearing about 9/11 which was bad enough on it own, and served as the trigger for the Iraqi war. If she or any other high level official cannot take the heat, they should never have taken the position.

Nobody expects them to be "nice". I do however expect them to be civil. The purpose of an investigative panel is to find answers, not to make political points. If someone goes into new testimony ASSUMING answers to questions which were not yet asked because it fits one's political viewpoints, that person has no business being on such a panel. He's not looking for answers, he's looking for what he wants to find.

It would be nice of lawyers are civil in criminal cases or civil investigations if you or I were the target of them. It doesnt work that way. It would be nice if they used rubber bullets in war. They don't.

The objective fact is that any politically charged and important issue has both Democrats and Republicans weighing in on it. The party supporting the witness will generally play nice and give him or her a chance to give considered answers. That's nice and all, however that is based on the premise that a witness (any witness) has nothing to conceil or spin. When a witness goes before Congress and represents the President, the formost thought in their head to to protect that President. Democrat or Republican does not matter. These people are selected because they can be trusted by the Executive office. One could go through an entire hearing and learn almost nothing. Fortunately she will get her chance to answer as she chooses, and will be shook on occasion. This is as it should be. That way the facts are more likely to come out.

We do not vote into Congress those who serve the President or his agenda. They are there to represent our interests. They are doing exactly what they should, and like a soldiers duty, it is not always pretty.

 

[conjur]

"I'm surrounded by assholes!"


Ok...now speaking: Jamie Gorelick