***OFFICIAL*** BRAZIL vs GERMANY World Cup FIinal Thread -- BRAZIL WINS 2-0!!!!!***CONFIRMED***

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Passions

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unlike basketball for instance where the Memphis Grizzlies and Chicago Bulls fought the battle of the underdogs to see who'd win the NBA !!! oh no, wait...

That's a very poor comparison. Nice try, next!
 
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If Brazil plays like they did against Turkey, they will lose to Germany. They had some awesome attacks but only managed to score one. It was pretty evident that their top players cared about their personal stats. However, it did sometimes lead to some very unexpected shots (and very close to scoring a goal). We'll see how this goes.
 
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joohang

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Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS
WORLD CUP = ZZZZZZZZZZZ once again.

Pretty boring match if you ask me. Where's the fun in seeing two of the top soccer teams in the finals? Imagine if it were Korea and Turkey in the finals, now that would be something. BOOO!!!!! I think I'll sleep on this one. Soccer sucks, and I know why Americans don't care for it anymore. It's a game where the top dogs rule and the underdogs never become champions. Except for pansy French maybe. HAH!
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So are you saying that Brazil should've allowed Turkey to beat them and Germany should've let Korea win? WTF is your point? :confused:

BTW, this whole superpower/underdog crap is gradually changing in the world of soccer. If Korea keeps up what they've been doing so far, they could emerge as a strong soccer nation, not an underdog who pulled a "Cinderella story" to "upset" the European superpowers.

Your argument makes no sense and you said "next" as though you expect someone to try to prove you wrong.

Korea and Turkey made it to the SEMIfinals. One of them will be in third place. Now how does that make soccer boring? Where is the logic in that? Oh I see. I am the problem here. I am trying to reason with you.

Korea vs. Turkey will be great.
 
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joohang

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
stop hi jacking joohang's threads. too early.
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Actually, I don't mind. I'm going to have my birthday party on Saturday so I won't be updating as much. I'll be watching it with a group of friends. It will be great. :D
 
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Alex

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Originally posted by: Michael1897
Go Brazil!!!
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yup! that seems to be the vibe of this thread... with only 2 german supporters and some guy who hates soccer... :p

oh and joohang thx for letting me keep this one! :) i'll be at home with family that day so i can update it every now and then!
 
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Im thinking..... 0-0, Brazil wins in PK's 5-4
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:) LOL I think you are the only one that thinks that Brazil would win a PK shootout.
As a German I can only hope we make it to that point! :) Kahn practices them like no other goalie in the world. He is also considered the worlds best right now. They only chance Brazil would have in a PK shootout is if 2 or 3 of the Germans would lose their cool and miss themself.

I still think 2:1 Germany and I hope and pray that Brazil plays like today against Turkey!
 
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Brazil? Look at the lucky a$$ goal by Ronaldinho against England. He scored it only because Seaman was injured before. Brazil isn't as good as they used to be. Look at the Turkey vs Brazil game, sure Brazil had a ton more scoring chances (which they didnt' get a goal) but defense has a LOT of flaws. Certainly not one of the best in defense.

Klose couldn't even get close to the ball since after the goal against Ireland. EVERY team has been watching him with at least 2-3 defenders, pulling his shirt and hugging him. Germany plays different soccer compared to Brazil. Remember Brazil's lost against France in 1998? That's right, 3-0! Germany lacks stars like Zidane but we'll see how it turns out.

Bierhoff deserves a world cup before his retirement :)
 
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joohang

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Originally posted by: kenleung
Brazil? Look at the lucky a$$ goal by Ronaldinho against England. He scored it only because Seaman was injured before. Brazil isn't as good as they used to be. Look at the Turkey vs Brazil game, sure Brazil had a ton more scoring chances (which they didnt' get a goal) but defense has a LOT of flaws. Certainly not one of the best in defense.
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I think that Brazil's weak defense is a myth. They defended well with 10 men against England. And I thought that their defense was very strong against Turkey. Certainly not one of the best in defense, which somewhat contrasts their world's strongest offense (imo), but their defense is criticized more than it deserves.

Ronaldinho's goal was not a "lucky ass" one. While Seaman's injury was a factor, he was not expecting a direct shot. He was slightly advanced and Ronaldinho got a sign from someone (Rivaldo, I think) about Seaman's position, so he attempted to a direct shot. I think that Seaman could've blocked that shot if he was ready but you gotta admit that it was a beautiful one.

Talking about Brazil, did you notice how many times Brazil was able to turn the game around so quickly? In so many occasions, they fired off a troop of 4 attackers towards the Turkish penalty box that was taken by surprise with only 2 or 3 defenders. Too bad that most of them did not connect to a goal, which was partly because some of the players appeared to care too much about personal stats. Beautiful plays, imo. And the Turkish defense was very impressive, which was also why Brazil never got to score a second goal.
 
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Originally posted by: joohang

"I think that Brazil's weak defense is a myth. They defended well with 10 men against England. And I thought that their defense was very strong against Turkey. Certainly not one of the best in defense, which somewhat contrasts their world's strongest offense (imo), but their defense is criticized more than it deserves."

Definitely NOT. England didn't play well in 2nd period. If Brazilian defense is strong, they wouldn't have conceded 2 goals to costa rica. Turkey had quite a few chances but they didn't manage to get it in.

My definition of "good defense": controls the midfield and possession well and prevent your opponent to get close to the goal. The midfield of brazil in the turkey match is not very good IMO.

"Ronaldinho's goal was not a "lucky ass" one. While Seaman's injury was a factor, he was not expecting a direct shot. He was slightly advanced and Ronaldinho got a sign from someone (Rivaldo, I think) about Seaman's position, so he attempted to a direct shot. I think that Seaman could've blocked that shot if he was ready but you gotta admit that it was a beautiful one."

Seaman, and every decent goalkeeper *can* knock that one out. You can't blame him though.

"Talking about Brazil, did you notice how many times Brazil was able to turn the game around so quickly? In so many occasions, they fired off a troop of 4 attackers towards the Turkish penalty box that was taken by surprise with only 2 or 3 defenders. Too bad that most of them did not connect to a goal, which was partly because some of the players appeared to care too much about personal stats. Beautiful plays, imo. And the Turkish defense was very impressive, which was also why Brazil never got to score a second goal."

Turkish defense failed miserably against brazilian attacks. There are SO MANY chances which brazil could've scored (shots on goal) but they didn't control it well.

Remember the Korea vs Germany game? Korea got dominated in midfield and they didn't *really* get that many chances to go into the German territory.
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Alex

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I agree with joohang about brazil's defefence not being as bad as everybody points it out to be.

also, brazil seems to have this uncanny ability to start the game in a disadvantage and turn it around (turkey game1, england and also belgium - had their goal not been cancelled) so i think it should be an interesting factor.

thing is that since brazil has such skillfull players they're able to create chances a lot easier and in more varied ways than most teams, whereas germany seems to only be able to score with balls lobbed into their opponent's boxes...
 
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i refuse to post in here because it is not joohang ***OFFICIAL*** ***CONFIRMED***....

oh.. whoops, too late...

in that case, brazil will win 2-1...
 
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I think Germany will take it and here's why:

USA clearly played better than germany in the quarters, but germany came out ahead. south korea was very athletic and gave germany a tough game in the semis. yet germany won again. in my opinion, it is the mark of a truly great team to be able to win even when outmatched. brazil has better individual skill than germany (especially with ballack out), but once again i think germany will come out ahead because of their ability to step up in big games and beat great teams. oh, and also because Kahn won't let Brazil score. can't win if you don't score :D

my prediction: Germany 2-0
 
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