OFFICIAL: Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD

[Czar]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: Heifetz
bluray for movies, hd dvd for data.

30gb > 50gb? I must be missing something.

cost per gb is what matters

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: cleeve
I honestly believe blu ray will win, and this is coming from someone who owns an hd-dvd drive. I'm just being a realist. If you look at releases for both formats blu ray will be getting around 3 times the amount of titles as hd-dvd, not to mention better movies in general. Plus porn WILL be coming to blu ray(with 'debbie does dallas again'), as well as hd-dvd. Plus the industry supports blu ray much more than hd-dvd, but consumers supported hd-dvd more.. now things seem to be starting to change. I would be willing to bet that hd-dvd will be phased out by the end of 2007 to mid 2008.

Porn is going HD-DVD, not Blu-Ray
I read this 2-4 weeks ago.

Then again, the sound of porn on a regular dvd is bad and it's no better than VHS for all you sound buffs :laugh:

porn is going both ways
see, when you admit something like 'i read it 2-4 weeks ago', you are admitting you haven't been following new developments. although, 2 weeks ago Vivid Entertainment had already said they are relasing 'Debby Does Dallas... Again' on BD in March.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: destrekor
wow... no opinions on the report?

Honestly, it is kind of hard to read much into just two weeks of data.

However, just looking at the release list for HD DVD vs Blu-Ray over the next 6 months and it doesn't look good for HD DVD. Only a handful of titles confirmed for release for HD DVD versus quite a bit for Blu-Ray. Universal has come out and said that they plan on releasing something around 100 titles this year but HD DVD obviously needs to get more releases out.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: Heifetz
bluray for movies, hd dvd for data.

30gb > 50gb? I must be missing something.

cost per gb is what matters

then I guess blu-ray wins.

BD-R
.52 per GB

HD-DVD-R
.60 per GB


Not to mention you'd be hard pressed to find an HD-DVD burner for your computer.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: cleeve
I honestly believe blu ray will win, and this is coming from someone who owns an hd-dvd drive. I'm just being a realist. If you look at releases for both formats blu ray will be getting around 3 times the amount of titles as hd-dvd, not to mention better movies in general. Plus porn WILL be coming to blu ray(with 'debbie does dallas again'), as well as hd-dvd. Plus the industry supports blu ray much more than hd-dvd, but consumers supported hd-dvd more.. now things seem to be starting to change. I would be willing to bet that hd-dvd will be phased out by the end of 2007 to mid 2008.

Porn is going HD-DVD, not Blu-Ray

Please see The Official Porn Thread
The original report about the porn industry choosing HDDVD over BluRay was false, they are supporting both.

Adult Content Confirmed to Appear on Blu-ray, HD DVD

 

[UDT89]

i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

 

[mugs]

I think "Blu-Ray Must Own" is a poor name for that list, unless picture quality is the only thing you care about.

 

[Dacalo]

I am sure Casino Royale will be added to the Blu-Ray list soon

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
I am sure Casino Royale will be added to the Blu-Ray list soon

Yeah I just checked my netflix today and added it to queue. says march 13 or something as release date.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: randay
well obviously people care, since this is probably the 10th or 20th bd vs hddvd thread in the last 3 months.

A forum full of tech nerds posting about HD-DVD and BD does not constitute people "caring". When the VAST majority of people do not own HDTVs then "people" probably don't "care" as much as you think about the "format war".

/gratuitous use of quotes

You people will not decide the outcome. Average Mr and Mrs Joe Consumer will. Right now they own a non-HDTV and a library of DVDs that they're quite content with. And they're also not keen about throwing money at a product that does the same thing their DVD player does, albeit while looking a little nicer... especially when they would need a new TV to enjoy that benefit. I wouldn't be surprised to see BD out pace HD-DVD in the coming months, but it will be a long time before the war is actually decided.

Sony was both incredibly smart and yet terribly stupid about putting a BD player into the PS3. On the one hand, the price of the PS3 is absurd for the majority of the middle class (not counting kids who don't have to pay bills and hoard their money for years the moment wind of a new console war approaches). On the other hand, they instantly penetrated the market with the PS3 launch. Plus, to be honest... the BD packaging... those bright blue plastic BD cases... really catches your eye. When I walked into Target to get my Wii I couldn't help but notice the BD movie display. Then of course my first thought was... WTF is the HD-DVD display at?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

A 20gb movie would only take 7 hours to download on a 6.4mbit connection. On a 10mbit connection it'd take around 4.5 hours, and on the 30mbit FIOS that some people have, you could get it in under 2 hours.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: BigJ
A 20gb movie would only take 7 hours to download on a 6.4mbit connection. On a 10mbit connection it'd take around 4.5 hours, and on the 30mbit FIOS that some people have, you could get it in under 2 hours.

Here's to a future of streaming, on-demand HD content.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

A 20gb movie would only take 7 hours to download on a 6.4mbit connection. On a 10mbit connection it'd take around 4.5 hours, and on the 30mbit FIOS that some people have, you could get it in under 2 hours.

dont forget 20 gb of hard drive space for each movie, DRM schemes, and the overhead of having to support hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of users downloading the same 20 gb at the same time.

edit: and thats not even getting into dual layer HDDVD or BD content!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

A 20gb movie would only take 7 hours to download on a 6.4mbit connection. On a 10mbit connection it'd take around 4.5 hours, and on the 30mbit FIOS that some people have, you could get it in under 2 hours.

dont forget 20 gb of hard drive space for each movie, DRM schemes, and the overhead of having to support hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of users downloading the same 20 gb at the same time.

edit: and thats not even getting into dual layer HDDVD or BD content!

You said that it would take days/weeks to download a HD movie. The simple fact is it wouldn't.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

Downloaded 7-8g ig compressed Superman HD in about a days time over xbox live, probably could have taken less but there servers weren't up to par me thinks. Oh yea, on a 3mb connection.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

A 20gb movie would only take 7 hours to download on a 6.4mbit connection. On a 10mbit connection it'd take around 4.5 hours, and on the 30mbit FIOS that some people have, you could get it in under 2 hours.

dont forget 20 gb of hard drive space for each movie, DRM schemes, and the overhead of having to support hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of users downloading the same 20 gb at the same time.

edit: and thats not even getting into dual layer HDDVD or BD content!

You said that it would take days/weeks to download a HD movie. The simple fact is it wouldn't.

You are assuming that the slowest connection in existance is a 6.4mbit connection, and that the downstream will come through that fast. Another simple fact is that it wouldn't.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

Downloaded 7-8g ig compressed Superman HD in about a days time over xbox live, probably could have taken less but there servers weren't up to par me thinks. Oh yea, on a 3mb connection.

nice, they have hd content up for download on xbox live? how much does it cost?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BigJ

You said that it would take days/weeks to download a HD movie. The simple fact is it wouldn't.

You are assuming that the slowest connection in existance is a 6.4mbit connection, and that the downstream will come through that fast. Another simple fact is that it wouldn't.

I assumed nothing of the sort.

The Xbox live servers work absolutely fine for HD movies right now in the 8gb range like quoted below (Superman Returns). I've personally seen server speeds while downloading movies on Xbox live at 500kB/s.

Lastly, you would need a minimum of a 1.85mBit (~230kB/s) connection maxed out to download a movie of 20gbs in a day. A connection speed that is very common in suburban areas across America.

Allowing downloadable HD movies is certainly a feasible proposition, and for many of us it wouldn't take days or weeks as you said.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mugs
I think "Blu-Ray Must Own" is a poor name for that list, unless picture quality is the only thing you care about.

the fact that it is only in regards to picture quality in immediately next to that title... although I will be changing it.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BigJ

You said that it would take days/weeks to download a HD movie. The simple fact is it wouldn't.

You are assuming that the slowest connection in existance is a 6.4mbit connection, and that the downstream will come through that fast. Another simple fact is that it wouldn't.

I assumed nothing of the sort.

The Xbox live servers work absolutely fine for HD movies right now in the 8gb range like quoted below (Superman Returns). I've personally seen server speeds while downloading movies on Xbox live at 500kB/s.

Lastly, you would need a minimum of a 1.85mBit (~230kB/s) connection maxed out to download a movie of 20gbs in a day. A connection speed that is very common in suburban areas across America.

Allowing downloadable HD movies is certainly a feasible proposition, and for many of us it wouldn't take days or weeks as you said.

well jlmadyson said it took about a day to download 8gb on his 3mbit connection. if it were a 20gb file, it would have taken 2 days. yes when i said weeks i was exaggerating. days it very possible though.

 

[CocoGdog]

I was considering HD until I purchased a PS3. BD is okay on a 720p screen - not any better than say a computer with a standard DVD player on DVI.

I can't afford a better TV right now. Maybe in the future for real 1080p would BD/HD be very nice.

Now if I found a decent deal for the XBOX 360 HD drive, then I would play with that too.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: UDT89
i think one format needs to die for either to succeed.

Whichever format wins is going to face even more competition as more and more players enter the digital distribution market. Netflix is in and even Wal-Mart just announced their online distribution service.

Perhaps but that will only really happen in (Im guessing) 3-4 years. Streaming HD content on the order of 15-25 GB of data over the internet is not an option at the moment. It would take days/weeks to download one HD Movie.

Downloaded 7-8g ig compressed Superman HD in about a days time over xbox live, probably could have taken less but there servers weren't up to par me thinks. Oh yea, on a 3mb connection.

nice, they have hd content up for download on xbox live? how much does it cost?

HD movies
- $6 new release
- $4.50 "classic" film

SD movies
- $4 for new releases
- $3 for older movies.

TV
- $3 for HD
- $2 for SD
- Once you purchase a TV show you "own" it. Meaning it is tied to your gamer profile and you can delete it off your HDD and download it again.

This is why I haven't really jumped on Blu-Ray or HD DVD yet. Neither has "won" and more downloadable services are coming out. I just tried out Vongo last night and it is decent. They need to improve their recent movie lineup but it isn't bad for $9.99/month. I was able to download 4 SD movies in ~5 hours.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: CocoGdog
I was considering HD until I purchased a PS3. BD is okay on a 720p screen - not any better than say a computer with a standard DVD player on DVI.

I can't afford a better TV right now. Maybe in the future for real 1080p would BD/HD be very nice.

Now if I found a decent deal for the XBOX 360 HD drive, then I would play with that too.

there is a large difference between 720p and 1080i. I would imagine the difference between 720p and 1080p is huge! get that new TV asap.