They are using available nV boards versus non available ATi parts- you can look at it from a different angle and say that ATi should score zero on all its benches
It is a matter of perspective. I understand what you are saying, but given the credibility issues that ATi has given review sites I wouldn't expect too many of them to go out of their way to make ATi look any better then they need to.I think you're not looking at them right. Often times they have the X1800XL competing with the GTX and GT, for whatever reason. You said the GTX is winning most benches at 1600x1200 4x/16x. This is not the case in the review you linked to. The X1800XT is faster in Farcry, BF2, Guild Wars. The GTX is faster in HL2. None of the other games have the settings you said. So the GTX is not faster in most of the benches at 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF from the review you said it was. And the GTX was overclocked too.
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They are using available nV boards versus non available ATi parts- you can look at it from a different angle and say that ATi should score zero on all its benches
I said I dont have a problem with them using overclocked cards, but they should have a "zero point" card, or whatever you want to call it, with stock clocks. Its likely only a few frames, but it would also help people decide if they want to spend more, on an already overclocked card, or not. Overclocked cards usually cost more, and it would help the readers decide if the extra cash is worth it, or if they would be better off buying cheap, and overclocking themselves.
well the reviews are starting.
looking good, the X800XT isnt massively faster in games, but its faster. hopefully this will prompt nvidia to bring out something faster?
but the XT isnt out untill this time next month, so fingers crossed they can get good quantities by then
looking good, the X800XT isnt massively faster in games, but its faster. hopefully this will prompt nvidia to bring out something faster?
but the XT isnt out untill this time next month, so fingers crossed they can get good quantities by then
Also, can Anand do a test with the newly released 81.84 drivers? It seems all reviews tested with 78.05. Thanks.
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Kyle nailed it to them:
Simply put, NVIDIA raised the bar on availability by having retail products instantly available on the same day as the card was launched. They didn?t just have a few either, as there were mass quantities of the products available on the same day they announced them. We were all hoping ATI would follow NVIDIA?s lead here, but sadly, they have not. They are announcing their entire product lineup today but you can?t actually purchase all them today. Some cards are going to come a month or 2 months later than this date. CrossFire master cards for X800 and X850 series video cards are also still not available. CrossFire master cards for the new X1000 series are at least 1 month away.
What more can you say really? Everyone is feeling the burden of these delayed products. I?m positive there are people out there just itching to buy these cards. Even us reviewers have been lead around with promises of availability, but we have been disappointed. Again. It makes us look like fools to evangelize these products and then have them nowhere in sight for the public to purchase. If ATI wants to compete with NVIDIA, they are going to have to step up to the plate and actually deliver the products they announce in mass quantities. Otherwise, what is the point? They might as well paper launch a ?Holodeck? and get it over with.
ATI?s current level of commitment to the gaming and hardware enthusiasts can be looked at as a tragedy at worst and a comedy of errors at best.
Simply put, NVIDIA raised the bar on availability by having retail products instantly available on the same day as the card was launched. They didn?t just have a few either, as there were mass quantities of the products available on the same day they announced them. We were all hoping ATI would follow NVIDIA?s lead here, but sadly, they have not. They are announcing their entire product lineup today but you can?t actually purchase all them today. Some cards are going to come a month or 2 months later than this date. CrossFire master cards for X800 and X850 series video cards are also still not available. CrossFire master cards for the new X1000 series are at least 1 month away.
What more can you say really? Everyone is feeling the burden of these delayed products. I?m positive there are people out there just itching to buy these cards. Even us reviewers have been lead around with promises of availability, but we have been disappointed. Again. It makes us look like fools to evangelize these products and then have them nowhere in sight for the public to purchase. If ATI wants to compete with NVIDIA, they are going to have to step up to the plate and actually deliver the products they announce in mass quantities. Otherwise, what is the point? They might as well paper launch a ?Holodeck? and get it over with.
ATI?s current level of commitment to the gaming and hardware enthusiasts can be looked at as a tragedy at worst and a comedy of errors at best.
lol extreme tech have the gtx faster in FC and the 1800xt faster in HL2. ill wait for anands write up, his are more thought out, and are easier to sift through. id imagine xbit will do a mahoosive 30+ game testlol
x1800xt seems to beat the gtx, but it appears to be a memory problem where the 256 of the gtx is holding it back, vs the xl even the gt wins. nv will now release a 512 card, and once again be on top.
overall kind of disaponting due to the parity.
5fps +/- makes it a wash, plus a gtx can be bought now, an xt where?
overall kind of disaponting due to the parity.
5fps +/- makes it a wash, plus a gtx can be bought now, an xt where?
Ok, so IQ is better on the ATi lineup.
But are the settings really on the same level of IQ? I'm not too sure about the names, but some of the benchmarks I see are with different numbers, and I don't know the weight of the numbers.
And what's with the BFG OC beign used? I mean, it's just a reference card being used for the ATi side. And the NVidia reference cards are way below their custom ones. It doesn't seem like the same scale.
Anyway, the ATi at least beat it on many of the benchmarks, and I would suspect that any varieties to come out later will own.
But are the settings really on the same level of IQ? I'm not too sure about the names, but some of the benchmarks I see are with different numbers, and I don't know the weight of the numbers.
And what's with the BFG OC beign used? I mean, it's just a reference card being used for the ATi side. And the NVidia reference cards are way below their custom ones. It doesn't seem like the same scale.
Anyway, the ATi at least beat it on many of the benchmarks, and I would suspect that any varieties to come out later will own.
ill agree with that, the xt is definately faster, not noticably so, but faster non the less. its SM3 performance in splinter cell looked canny too (at least at extremetech)
still if you already have a 7800gtx, its not really worth the side grade come november....unless of course u get a good price for your card.
Wow, the x1600XT is really dissapinting..
Having 12 pipes and such a high clock doesn't add up to such sub-par performance...
Having 12 pipes and such a high clock doesn't add up to such sub-par performance...
n7
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So far, no good.
As far as i can see, in the X1800XT's case, we basically have been waiting for a product that is about on par with the 7800GTX, & considering the 7800GTX has a lot of brands selling it quite a bit OCed, i see no reason to get the higher wattage, higher clocked card that only performs better in a few Direct3D-based games.
Okay, overall, the X1800XT is a slighly better card i think, but it's not even available, & when it is, i really doubt it's gonna be priced the same as the 7800GTX.
The 7800GT seems to be a better performer than the X1800XL too, though they are close also.
As far as i can see, in the X1800XT's case, we basically have been waiting for a product that is about on par with the 7800GTX, & considering the 7800GTX has a lot of brands selling it quite a bit OCed, i see no reason to get the higher wattage, higher clocked card that only performs better in a few Direct3D-based games.
Okay, overall, the X1800XT is a slighly better card i think, but it's not even available, & when it is, i really doubt it's gonna be priced the same as the 7800GTX.
The 7800GT seems to be a better performer than the X1800XL too, though they are close also.
man pc perspectives reviews is nasty
horrible bar charts, and they simply switch cards round from graph to graph
horrible bar charts, and they simply switch cards round from graph to graph
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Suddenly I'm excited that I bought my 7800GT I was worried I might have made a poor choice but all things considered these cards are either about as fast or slower than most of the cards nVidia has to offer, i'm disappointed actually I was hoping ATi would pull a surprise and knock the sh!t outta nVidia at least thats what everyone was talking about......and the worst part I cant find the card at any online retailers!
Right on the money, n7. Is is faster? Yes, slightly faster in D3D games, but still godawful in OGL ones. Slighty faster isn't going to be enough to justify the price tag on this since it looks as if they can't get it out in volume.
EDIT: and seriously, someone start a new counter like what ATi had on their site...one to count up till when you can actually buy it. :laugh:
EDIT: and seriously, someone start a new counter like what ATi had on their site...one to count up till when you can actually buy it. :laugh:
I wasnt suggesting that people upgrade from a GTX, to a XT. I have a GTX, and I wont be upgrading, unless the street price for the XT drops well below MSRP. HDR+AA, and better image quality are two key reasons for someone to lean towards a XL/XT however for the Christmas shopping list.
or if you're excited about quake4, which just went "gold" (and i'm a huge quake fan). what other upcoming games will run ogl?
and from the pcper article: NVIDIA is saying that the performance of their parts on the demo is going to differ greatly from their performance on the final version of the game."
so who knows.. the diff in FEAR may not be as substantial with the shipping version of the game...
i'm a bit disappointed actually
It seems the X1600 and X1300 are crippled by their very low fillrates. They are much slower then the last gen cards which they would compete aggainst.
The X1800 XT is good but the XL is som much slower for just $50. What sucks is where the X1800 series barely beats the X850XT.
I hope drivers improve things overall.
The X1800 XT is good but the XL is som much slower for just $50. What sucks is where the X1800 series barely beats the X850XT.
I hope drivers improve things overall.
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