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Official AT 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracking, Draft, and Offseason Happenings Thread

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I won't link them because I have a hunch these are dipshits on the level of Bleacher Report and are just making shit up to get page hits, but there's allegedly now "rumors" saying the Chiefs are interested in Tebow too. And that they'll trade for him. :biggrin:
 
Gotta have Tebow in the news! lol...what a joke.

I guess a lot of QBs and agents are mad at Brady for restructuring his deal. Because of the lower amount he's getting paid, it lowers the amount paid to a QB that is slapped with the franchise tag. Poor babies. instead of the average being, what, 20 million, it's 19? It's about time someone steps up and takes less to help out the team. I hate the Pats, but Brady is a class act.

Of course it doesn't hurt that his wife makes more money in a year than Brady does. 😀
 
Answer me this - which QB would you spend your second round pick on THIS YEAR that you think is better than Smith? Because, you still have to get a QB, and still have all your perceived problems without the second round pick. And, if you didn't get Smith, you would have to spend your FIRST OVERALL pick on a QB.

Like I said, lighten up.

Edit: besides, there are loads of talent in the later rounds, so if the Chiefs think they need an RB, they will draft an RB. Most likely, Luke will go first to protect Smith's blind side. I think they may draft an RB in the third. Most teams aren't looking for RBs this year.
 
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There is no second round QB ready to start right now IMO.. Everyone is a project or needs some time on the bench, including supposedly #1 Geno Smith.
 
He's not the only QB to restructure too.. Think Stafford is doing it, Big Ben already has.

Ben isn't making any less money though. They just changed his contract to include more bonus money and less base salary. Bonus doesn't count against cap space but it's fully guaranteed. I think Brady isn't taking as big a pay cut as people think, it's just restructured to have more bonus money and less salary.
 
Ben isn't making any less money though. They just changed his contract to include more bonus money and less base salary. Bonus doesn't count against cap space but it's fully guaranteed. I think Brady isn't taking as big a pay cut as people think, it's just restructured to have more bonus money and less salary.

Except while everyone is looking to make more money, Brady took a 3 yr $27million extension to his current contract while making some of it in a bonus. He's taking less than 50% of what he could make if he just waited til he was a FA next year.

This frees up an additional $15million in cap space over the next two years and leaves NE at $30million under the cap this year. I'm sure part of the deal was that NE would now resign Welker. Also, leaves them lots of cap space to resign Talib and Volmer if they see fit.

It'll be interesting to see what they do wth Lloyd. Let him go, save $5million and resign another WR or hope he'll be a little more consistent this year and be more willing to take a hit.
 
Answer me this - which QB would you spend your second round pick on THIS YEAR that you think is better than Smith? Because, you still have to get a QB, and still have all your perceived problems without the second round pick. And, if you didn't get Smith, you would have to spend your FIRST OVERALL pick on a QB.

Like I said, lighten up.

Edit: besides, there are loads of talent in the later rounds, so if the Chiefs think they need an RB, they will draft an RB. Most likely, Luke will go first to protect Smith's blind side. I think they may draft an RB in the third. Most teams aren't looking for RBs this year.

Did you even read what I wrote?

Geno Smith, maybe Barkley. Of course your question is stupid since they didn't give up just a single 2nd round pick, and that's a very early second round pic, where the value of players is still pretty damn high. Its the type of pick that you expect to get someone like Brandon Flowers in.

Yeah, no shit? Drafting and developing your own QB is far and away the most common way of finding success in the NFL. Not giving up important draft picks for mediocre castoffs from other teams. I'd greatly prefer drafting Geno 1st overall, having a 2nd round pick to spend on one of the many other needs vs drafting fucking Joeckel (or DL or any of the other guys they've been projected to consider other than Geno) and having Alex Smith and losing a 2nd (and a 3rd or potentially 2nd pick next year). How you think the Chiefs aren't getting screwed in this deal I have no clue.

Um, actually go back and read what I wrote. There's a ton of needs that 2nd and 3rd round guys usually help out a lot with. RB is just one of like 5 positions where they literally need to find players as they just plain don't have guys in them right now.
 
There is no second round QB ready to start right now IMO.. Everyone is a project or needs some time on the bench, including supposedly #1 Geno Smith.

I'm all for drafting and sitting Geno for 1-3 years. I'd be fine with the Alex Smith trade if they'd have given up a single 4th or maybe even 3rd for him, then draft Geno and let him sit. That'd be a great scenario in my opinion. This trade is basically saying "we expect Alex to be our QB for the next 3+ years" and that's what I have a big problem with.

Alex Smith is the guy that a coach would bring in to get his offense in place, while he makes personnel changes, and grooms another QB to take over. That is not what the Chiefs have traded for him to do though.

If they really wanted Smith, I think they could have gotten him for far less than they've given up to get him and that's what bugs me. Hell I'd have probably taken giving up a single 2nd rounder for Matt Flynn over this deal.
 
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Did you even read what I wrote?

Geno Smith, maybe Barkley. Of course your question is stupid since they didn't give up just a single 2nd round pick, and that's a very early second round pic, where the value of players is still pretty damn high. Its the type of pick that you expect to get someone like Brandon Flowers in.

Yeah, no shit? Drafting and developing your own QB is far and away the most common way of finding success in the NFL. Not giving up important draft picks for mediocre castoffs from other teams. I'd greatly prefer drafting Geno 1st overall, having a 2nd round pick to spend on one of the many other needs vs drafting fucking Joeckel (or DL or any of the other guys they've been projected to consider other than Geno) and having Alex Smith and losing a 2nd (and a 3rd or potentially 2nd pick next year). How you think the Chiefs aren't getting screwed in this deal I have no clue.

Um, actually go back and read what I wrote. There's a ton of needs that 2nd and 3rd round guys usually help out a lot with. RB is just one of like 5 positions where they literally need to find players as they just plain don't have guys in them right now.
No, I read your drivels, and your problem is that you value your 2nd pick WAYYYYYY too damn much.

Low football IQ people would of course say that it's too much. If you just think about logically, it's the best thing for the Chiefs to get Smith right now.

You assume that Smith is at his ceiling, when in fact the guy is barely 28 going on 29. He is playing the best football of his life, and looks like he will improve base on what he'll have going for him. You have a problem with that? Your scenarios are all stupid. Because the problems you raised, will exacerbate in a few years, when whomever at QB that you think will develop into your franchise QB with your 3rd or 4th pick this year (excuse me while I laugh out loud uncontrollably). Fucking dream on buddy.

And, if Smith works out as your franchise QB, and there's high probability that he will succeed, who gives a shit what possibly 3rd round pick the Chiefs give up next year?

You must be a blast at parties. Mediocre and stupid? Look in the mirror.
 
Maybe I was a bit overly negative, but I've understandably become quite pessimistic on the chiefs over the past several seasons.

On the plus side with Smith, and I think Kaepernick has said it himself, Smith was more than willing to help Kaepernick make the transition to the pros. So whoever the Chiefs find to sit behind him or one day replace him Smith will be a good mentor.
 
Joe Flacco just became the highest paid player in NFL history. I hope this works out...



His contract ended at the perfect time. A year earlier and he would have probably lost 3-7m a year. But it ended the year he was MVP of the super bowl and was very reliable at the QB position as well.


Matt Ryans contract is up next year. Not sure if he can top the numbers he put up this year but he should get some good moeny.
 
His contract ended at the perfect time. A year earlier and he would have probably lost 3-7m a year. But it ended the year he was MVP of the super bowl and was very reliable at the QB position as well.

I think the Ravens offered him a contract at the end of last year that would have gotten him about 16 million a year. Flacco turned it down which in hindsight was a great move for him.
 
Aaron's contract is up after next year too I think. He seems more the type to take a small pay cut to better the team, but who knows.
 
Aaron's contract is up after next year too I think. He seems more the type to take a small pay cut to better the team, but who knows.

Yea who really knows.

I know Clay matthews rookie contract is up too. Sp his what/ $400k/yr contrat will grow also.

The reason packers dropped Woodson was $10mil/yr he was getting, and being 37-38yr old in that position, it was time to say good bye.
 
Looking at the contract numbers for Flacco, his salary cap hit for this year is less than $7mil. Good lord. The way its structured, its around a $30mil cap hit in 2016.. so they'll probably be restructuring it then.
 
Maybe I was a bit overly negative, but I've understandably become quite pessimistic on the chiefs over the past several seasons.

On the plus side with Smith, and I think Kaepernick has said it himself, Smith was more than willing to help Kaepernick make the transition to the pros. So whoever the Chiefs find to sit behind him or one day replace him Smith will be a good mentor.

Makes sense. If he turned into a diva/locker room cancer, it would seriously affect his future job prospects. By rolling with it, he's more valuable to teams. Valuable enough that a team traded for him, so he'll be making the same money he made in San Francisco.

you value your 2nd pick WAYYYYYY too damn much.

Low football IQ people would of course say that it's too much. If you just think about logically, it's the best thing for the Chiefs to get Smith right now.

You assume that Smith is at his ceiling, when in fact the guy is barely 28 going on 29. He is playing the best football of his life, and looks like he will improve base on what he'll have going for him. You have a problem with that? Your scenarios are all stupid. Because the problems you raised, will exacerbate in a few years, when whomever at QB that you think will develop into your franchise QB with your 3rd or 4th pick this year (excuse me while I laugh out loud uncontrollably).

And, if Smith works out as your franchise QB, and there's high probability that he will succeed, who gives a shit what possibly 3rd round pick the Chiefs give up next year?

Agreed with this. You have to consider the value of the other potential QBs. The Chiefs would almost certainly have had to use their 1st overall pick if they wanted Geno Smith, and if they held off they MAYBE could have gotten Barkley in the 2nd, but it's no guarantee. Neither one is nearly the slam-dunk week 1 starter that Alex Smith is. And they had to give up "only" a 2nd round pick and a future 2nd-3rd rounder. Not actually that high of a price when you think about it.

If this was last year it would be a different matter. The Chiefs would have gotten Luck and been done with it. With Alex Smith, I think they'll get several years of solid, if not flashy production.
 
No, I read your drivels, and your problem is that you value your 2nd pick WAYYYYYY too damn much.

Low football IQ people would of course say that it's too much. If you just think about logically, it's the best thing for the Chiefs to get Smith right now.

You assume that Smith is at his ceiling, when in fact the guy is barely 28 going on 29. He is playing the best football of his life, and looks like he will improve base on what he'll have going for him. You have a problem with that? Your scenarios are all stupid. Because the problems you raised, will exacerbate in a few years, when whomever at QB that you think will develop into your franchise QB with your 3rd or 4th pick this year (excuse me while I laugh out loud uncontrollably). Fucking dream on buddy.

And, if Smith works out as your franchise QB, and there's high probability that he will succeed, who gives a shit what possibly 3rd round pick the Chiefs give up next year?

You must be a blast at parties. Mediocre and stupid? Look in the mirror.

I was going to actually write a serious response to each of your points but then got to the bolded part and realized it was a waste of time even replying to you in the first place.

Um, that was my entire point, you don't do that. That doesn't work. Good teams do not do shit like that. Seriously I don't even know how you can believe that I was saying anything other than that being stupid. That's my point. Because they made this total dogshit trade (seriously actually look around everyone is saying this is at best bad value of a trade).

You'd already proven you don't actually know much about the Chiefs so why you're going off about football IQ when you can't even comprehend something that's made completely plain for you is just absurd. Talk about drivel. JHumeC, that you're even saying stuff like IQ is laughable considering your dogshit comprehension and logic.

One quick thing. Um, the difference is that if they draft and develop a guy now they'd have a legit QB prospect to take over at that point, not Alex Smith likely on his way out of the NFL and then having to start over with the QB position, which means another few years wasted on that guy developing.

Makes sense. If he turned into a diva/locker room cancer, it would seriously affect his future job prospects. By rolling with it, he's more valuable to teams. Valuable enough that a team traded for him, so he'll be making the same money he made in San Francisco.



Agreed with this. You have to consider the value of the other potential QBs. The Chiefs would almost certainly have had to use their 1st overall pick if they wanted Geno Smith, and if they held off they MAYBE could have gotten Barkley in the 2nd, but it's no guarantee. Neither one is nearly the slam-dunk week 1 starter that Alex Smith is. And they had to give up "only" a 2nd round pick and a future 2nd-3rd rounder. Not actually that high of a price when you think about it.

If this was last year it would be a different matter. The Chiefs would have gotten Luck and been done with it. With Alex Smith, I think they'll get several years of solid, if not flashy production.

Um, yes, I know that. I'd much rather them take Geno Smith 1st overall than to have made this trade. Hell even with this trade I still hope they take Geno 1st overall. I said I'm ok, and would prefer them to sit Geno even after drafting him 1st overall. My problem is they could easily have found someone to start for a year or two and let Geno sit. Someone they didn't have to give up 2 valuable picks for. Either way, including with Alex Smith, they're very likely not going to be doing anything for a couple of years. They might make the playoffs but it'll be like the 2010 Chiefs, they're not seriously competing for anything. And in the meantime they'll likely lose out on drafting serious QB prospects by improving to that level. Now, sure maybe they'll luck into something, but more than likely they'll push Alex out there for 3-5 years of mediocre "solid, if not flashy production" football, and it'll be like the 90s or Vermeil era all over again. Sorry, no thanks. Seen it all before.

So what if Alex improves the team more than a rookie would for a few seasons? You look at what gives you the best chance at competing for and winning Super Bowls. And how you do that, with regards to QB is very clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_champions

Go and look at the teams that were in the Super Bowl for the past 30 years (you can probably go back further than that even honestly, but I figured I'd keep it close to Free Agency era where star players could change teams, increasing the chances that a QB could lead a different team to the Super Bowl), and you'll notice that something like 90% of them drafted and developed the QB that got them to the Super Bowl. In the last 30 years, there's 3 teams that have won without having done that, and those had top tier defenses (Ravens in 2001 and Tampa Bay a couple of years later) or the QB became a top tier QB (the Saints with Brees, and let's face it no one is even broaching the topic that Alex Smith will be anything close to that level).

Even if they wanted Alex Smith they could have gotten him for less than what they gave up to get him. That alone is reason enough to call this a bad trade. But if you actually seriously look at Alex Smith, it becomes even worse. He's not as bad as he's made out to be most places (seriously you two do realize he's considered to be not very good, right? Hell just listen to yourselves "well he'll be better than a rookie this year", its like people defending Cassel all over again), but acting like this guy is a longterm franchise QB is absurd. He's much more likely to keep being mediocre.
 
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As a 49er fan, I'd honestly rather have Smith as a back up due to the nature of the pistol offensive (yes, I know Kap can throw), is just asking for injuries. But if thats not what Smith wants, which seems to be the case, not much else you can do. But more picks isn't exactly what we need, as we have what 15???

Also glad it looks like Moss won't be returning.
 
The Vikings cut Michael Jenkins today. Yay! Opens up another 3.25 million in cap room by cutting that dead weight.
 
I'm feeling a bit more optimistic they'll draft Geno 1st overall. They signed Bowe and Colquitt and tagged Albert. I'm still a bit concerned as they talked about moving Albert to guard and drafting Joeckel (Albert said he won't make the move to guard, and even if he does, for a team that has major need at QB -including Alex Smith - does it make sense to essentially spend the 1st overall pick on a guard?).

Speaking of Alex Smith, some data to consider:

Alex Smith is 3-16 as a starter when asked to throw 35+ times. Andy Reid's Eagles threw the ball 35.7 times per game over the past 4 years.

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-27-1

Alex Smith Career Stats: 14,280 passing yds, started 80 games, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 fumbles, sacked 196 times, 79.1 QB Rating.
Matt Cassel Career Stats: 13,495 passing yds, started 78 games, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 fumbles, sacked 160 times, 80.4 QB Rating.

Cassel and Smith have identical Total QBR scores over the past five years. They were at 46.6. All starting quarterbacks were at 53.0 over that period.

However, Smith's strong numbers in 2012 reflected his abilities on early downs. His third-down Total QBR (33.1) trailed Cassel's (44.5). It's fair to wonder whether Smith will produce as well overall on a weaker team that could face predictable passing situations more frequently.

The stats lie...sure Smith's %'s and rating increased under Harbaugh...but his usage decreased. The two years under Harbaugh...San Fran ranked 31st in the NFL in pass attempts. San Fran was defined by defense and the power game.

The thing that bothers me about this situation. Reid's offense is dependent on the Quarterback to make plays. Even under Harbaugh...while Smith's rating increased...the TD's, the yardage really didn't. All indications do not point to an improved QB...points to an improved scheme to mask the QB.

The biggest issue with Smith is the lack of understanding where the numbers come from. The INT's decreased...the rating rose...but the sacks he took nearly doubled. This particular change is reflected in the rating...he didn't improve as a passer...he simply stopped making mistakes.

Sounds like 2010 Cassel. Actually I've seen some analysis that 2010 Cassel is better than 2011/2012 Alex Smith and that's pretty alarming since even in 2010 Cassel was not good (he was...a mediocre game manager on a team that had the top run game and a solid defense; hmm now why would I be questioning the trade for Alex Smith?). The bigger issue is that neither one can make plays when the team needs them to. That's why Smith is a mediocre QB (Cassel just plain sucks). Going from terrible to mediocre isn't really that good of a thing when its all about being good/great.

I'm really not even arguing that Smith isn't a sizeable improvement over Cassel, as I think he is, but its still not good and the faster they replace him the better. I seriously would prefer them drafting and starting Geno day 1, even though I think Geno needs to sit for at least a year or two. I could handle learning curves there.

The rational 49er fans that I'm seeing posting on Chiefs boards are describing Matt Cassel. "Checkdown" "receivers have to make circus catches" "horrible on 3rd down" "punter will be MVP" (guess its good they just gave him almost $20million then :biggrin🙂 "won because of good d and special teams" "win by field goals"

Seriously the more they describe him the more its like Cassel. I'm really starting to question if he is better as I think he had a lot better team around him than Cassel did. I can only laugh at anyone that suggests the Chiefs offer a similar situation for Alex Smith to what he enjoyed the last two years with the 49ers. Its not even close. They have some good players but they have a lot of holes as well (that 2nd and 3rd round draft picks often come in handy for addressing 🙄).
 
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