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Official Apocalypse Thread

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Bateluer said:
Since you want to turn a fun, facetious Apocalypse thread into a debate, I'll play along. The book of Revelations in the Christian Bible technically does detail what many Christians believe will happen during the end times. Since these events occur in the future in relation to our present time, this makes it a prediction. Although, it could also be argued that since the events are the will of God, they are not predictions, despite being descriptions of events occurring in the future, but as factual records, given in visions to John by God.

Disclaimer: I am in no way saying that Revelations will occur, nor am I discussing the historical relevance/accuracy of the Bible. I'm just saying that its making predictions about even that will occur.
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There is obvious confusion on what a revelation and a prediction is. There is a line between prediction and holy revelation. By the way, in case you missed it in my previous post... it's the book of Revelation, singular. It's one revelation about a single event.

When you think of predictions, you think of guesses on a future event based on some amount of evidence but without absolute certainty. A revelation is quite a bit different. The truth is revealed, there is no guessing. This is not about seeing the future, it's about knowing what is. Time is irrelevant. Many prophecies were about something that would happen as a consequence of something that has already or is already happening. These were not predictions if they came from God, his will is unrestrained. The end of times will happen. This is not a prediction, it is a revelation.

Assuming John's revelation was in fact from God.
 
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