Official AMD Polaris Review Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470, and RX 460

[Oyeve]

I ordered mine June 29 and it arrived on July first. Got it through NeweggBusiness. Paid 243 for the OCed XFX 8gb version. Been sweet so far.

 

[Sonikku]

one guy has bought 6+ cards already on this forum, forgot who. you still can't find one?

I can't find one on account of the people scooping up six of them.

 

[sze5003]

I can't find one on account of the people scooping up six of them.

They probably have alerts and as soon as stock comes in they buy 6+ at a time. Some also go to microcenter.

 

[tential]

one guy has bought 6+ cards already on this forum, forgot who. you still can't find one?

Well if people are buying 6+ cards in one go no wonder he can't get a card. Miners are buying them all. When have we seen this happen with amd before?

 

[sze5003]

Well if people are buying 6+ cards in one go no wonder he can't get a card. Miners are buying them all. When have we seen this happen with amd before?

One guy posted he ordered 12 at one point. Not sure how you can do that but probably 6 one go around and 6 another. There's more than just a few people here doing the same thing.

Its a good mining card that was expected as much so I'm not surprised. Which is why the preorder on Amazon is a good idea.

 

[zinfamous]

Well if people are buying 6+ cards in one go no wonder he can't get a card. Miners are buying them all. When have we seen this happen with amd before?

And yet what's the difference? You are tossing out illogical argument after illogical argument. Here is the reality:

nVidia releases x stock of 1070/1080, advertises MSRP, but none are ever listed at MSRP (aside from the FE tax for the privilege of owning a mediocre performing blower). Stock sells out and remains sold out, because they are popular.

AMD releases roughly 20x stock compared to 1070/1080 (assumed to be similar to differences in 1060 stock), at MSRP (long advertised at $199-300 for the Polaris range, and long advertised at 4gb for $199 and $240 for 8gb--that was never a surprise). Stock sells out within a day and continues to sell out regularly. Whether or not they are selling out because of miners is ultimately irrelevant, because they remain incredibly popular--which is why they are selling out.

nVidia has only managed to list 1060 at MSRP in some cases, but the point is that both are selling out because both are popular cards. AMD responded to previous generation issues with miners by pumping out greater stock for the 480, but even that wasn't enough. I guess it's far more popular than you want to accept?

I don't get where you are inventing this idea that AMD lied about the 4gb/8gb difference in the cards, or somehow surprised consumers with the MSRP that these cards released at. They released at exactly the prices they announced weeks before, with reference appearing first (As announced), and AIB later, to remain under that $300 MSRP range.

as for above MSRP costs for AMD and nVidia, that has nothing to do with either manufacturer outside of the demand of the cards and inability to match this with proper stock.

 

[stuff_me_good]

AMD should have made some sort of mining blocker these things and after few week release miners edition with mining boost BIOS => profit, but since we are dealing with AMD here they just don't never learn how to make money.

 

[poofyhairguy]

AMD should have made some sort of mining blocker these things and after few week release miners edition with mining boost BIOS => profit, but since we are dealing with AMD here they just don't never learn how to make money.

Neither AMD or Nvidia even act like they know miners exist.

 

[IEC]

Most retailers limited purchases to 2 cards per address for the first couple of weeks of release. Thus my initial purchase of 2x reference cards. It doesn't look like there's as many quantity restrictions now and it looks like pretty much every retailer gets daily or every-other-day stock. I wouldn't be opposed to a quantity limit restriction until availability is better, though I question at this point how many people would be preferentially buying reference cards for gaming purposes.

For gaming, the 4GB custom cards are clearly the better value. To my knowledge none of those have shipped to miners, and probably none of the 8GB custom cards either.

According to retailers (e.g. Gibbo @ OCUK) the small quantity of custom cards that have shipped to date were early arrivals, and the bulk of the cards aren't expected to be arriving for another week (?)

Also, Gibbo is limiting mining sales by blocking >1 card per person.

 

[boozzer]

miners are golden eggs for amd actually. amd needs to tap that market hardcore and earn that easy money. the 16nm supply problems is out of amd's hands. it is too bad.

 

[IEC]

Sapphire reference 8GB cards in stock at MSRP as of 5 minutes ago. Limit 2 per customer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202221

.... and it's dead. Lasted maybe 10 minutes total.

 

[tential]

AMD releases roughly 20x stock compared to 1070/1080 (assumed to be similar to differences in 1060 stock),
.

[Citation needed]

 

[sirmo]

[Citation needed]

I don't know about Nvidia's stock, but AMD is selling truck loads of rx480s. Gibbo from Overclockers.co.uk has basically called it the biggest. He had a 10 000 back log of orders. And that's just one retailer.

1080 and 1070 are priced out of range of many gamers, but for all we know 1060 could be selling well too, although for every single g-sync monitor there are 10 FreeSync ones, so I would imagine those who do any research are buying the rx480 instead.

Either way, concentrating on midrange and low end with these 3 GPUs was a pretty shrewd move by AMD. They are gaining marketshare no doubt.

 

[zinfamous]

[Citation needed]

This has been posted all over these release threads and comes from a handful of vendors reporting the stock that they have had available.

 

[IEC]

RX 470 and 460 launching soon™

Source:
http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance

 

[guachi]

With sales of 480 like they are, where are they going to get stock from for the 470 and 460?

 

[Sonikku]

RX 470 and 460 launching soon™

Source:
http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance

"Available Now".

lol

 

[IllogicalGlory]

"Available Now".

lol

It is, if like me, you have 12 16 20. 8 in one day. Not bad.

 

[Sonikku]

lol, this entire board reads like "Sorry you didn't get that one gpu you wanted for your main gaming machine, it's tough. Barely got 6+ today myself!" :hmm:

 

[JDG1980]

Stock sells out within a day and continues to sell out regularly. Whether or not they are selling out because of miners is ultimately irrelevant, because they remain incredibly popular--which is why they are selling out.

It's true in the short run that a sale is a sale. However, excessive sales to miners and inadequate sales to gamers can have adverse long-term effects. When the next mining crash happens, all these hoarded RX 480s will hit the market at cut-rate prices, and AMD risks being stuck with chips that they then can't sell profitably.

 

[JDG1980]

The cut-down chips used in the RX 470 and RX 460 open up the possibility of a direct "apples-to-apples" comparison between 28nm GCN architecture and Polaris.

RX 470 will have 2048 shaders, 32 ROPs, and a 256-bit memory bus. The Tonga-based R9 380X also has 2048 shaders, 32 ROPs, and a 256-bit memory bus. Therefore, if the RX 470 core and memory clocks were set to the same values as on the R9 380X (easily done from WattMan), and the two cards were benchmarked against each other, this would allow a direct architectural comparison of GCN 1.2 versus Polaris.

The same is true with RX 460 vs. R7 260X. The Bonaire-based 260X has the same shader count (896), ROP count (16), and memory bus width (128-bit) as the upcoming P11-based 460. Matching core and RAM clocks would allow the GCN 1.1 architecture to be compared against Polaris.

 

[Silverforce11]

Well if people are buying 6+ cards in one go no wonder he can't get a card. Miners are buying them all. When have we seen this happen with amd before?

It's a double edged sword, because when the mining goes bust, as it always does, ebbs and wanes in cycles, there will be a ton of used RX 480s on sale which will cause a big slump in sales for AMD later on.

I thought about it myself, setting a mining farm of RX 480s but figured I probably missed the boat on Eth already for maximal returns.

 

[boozzer]

lol, this entire board reads like "Sorry you didn't get that one gpu you wanted for your main gaming machine, it's tough. Barely got 6+ today myself!" :hmm:

you need some shopping skills also setup some one click buys

It's a double edged sword, because when the mining goes bust, as it always does, ebbs and wanes in cycles, there will be a ton of used RX 480s on sale which will cause a big slump in sales for AMD later on.

I thought about it myself, setting a mining farm of RX 480s but figured I probably missed the boat on Eth already for maximal returns.

that is why amd needs to sell as many cards as possible when the mining is booming. when mining slows they would have sold enough and made bank. and hopefully have a 480 successor within a few months after the slow down. perfect way to fight the used cards coming out and gain more market share by pushing the prices of used cards down with the new gpu announcement or something.

win win all around if amd can supply the demand of the first few months.

 

[IEC]

Not to mention I doubt as many people will be selling off cards after this. 14nm is the new node and it'll likely not be obsolete for 5 years.

I'm certainly not selling any of my cards afterwards, because they are still the best bang for the buck for compute uses other than mining. And I can run six of them off 1 motherboard.

 

[rsndetre]

I noticed the prices dropping for last generation cards and so I made a performance/price comparison between GTX960, GTX970, RX 480 and GTX 1060.

I used Tomshardware for benchmarks and I eliminated the tests that seem to show poor scaling with the GPUs or skewed results in favor of AMD or nVidia. Out of 8 DX11 games I was left with only 4.
Hitman was showing better performance in general, under AMD cards.
Project CARS had more love for nVidia.
The Division and The Witcher 3 are not scaling well (CPU bottleneck ? dunno ...)

The prices are in euro without vat, cheapest cards on the market. The performances are relative to GTX 970.

         |       |        DX12          |        DX11	       |
GPUs     | Price | Perf.   | FPS/Price  | Perf.	  | FPS/Price  |
----------------------------------------------------------------
GTX 960  | 131	 |  62.91% |   0.205    |  61.33% |   0.425    |
GTX 970  | 212	 | 100.00% |   0.201    | 100.00% |   0.428    |
RX 480   | 256	 | 112.91% |   0.188    |  90.45% |   0.321    |
GTX 1060 | 259	 | 107.75% |   0.177    | 107.73% |   0.378    |

Seems to me this is a good time to buy a GTX 970.

Another thing to mention. Very few models of RX480 were available (3-4 models, but I don't know about actual quantities) and were sold in 2-3 days.
GTX 1060 came with a lot of models and now are almost all out of stock (to be available again in few days).