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KB

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What the hell? I was checking one of my accounts for the first time today and immediately saw a bunch of shares of something called Viatris that I didn't buy.

I panicked because I thought my account had been taken over and was getting ready to call Schwab but it turns out I got them for owning Pfizer lol.

Sometimes its better to be lucky than good I guess.

I saw one of my positions had a one-day return of 16624900 % and was perplexed. Then I remembered the spin-off. Its a good deal, PFE is actually up after the spin-off and I just got a bunch of free shares of the spinoff.
 
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dasherHampton

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I saw one of my positions had a one-day return of 16624900 % and was perplexed. Then I remembered the spin-off. Its a good deal, PFE is actually up after the spin-off and I just got a bunch of free shares of the spinoff.

The value of the Viatris shares is a significant amount. I had no idea about the spinoff. I bought Pfizer for the vaccine. I hadn't investigated anything else about the company yet.

As I said - lucky.
 

dasherHampton

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And GE is about to break $10. That's where my calls are. I am going to lose a little on it but not much; maybe a few hundred bucks.

A lot better than when I was down like $14000.
 

FelixDeCat

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Isn't that the competitor to SpaceX? SpaceX is private.

I'm no expert. Like I said, I was inspired. All the EV cos are competitors yet they've all rallied simultaneously.

I figure if there is renewed excitement for the commercialization of space, SPCE is the way to play it.

Long 24 contracts $23@1.73 Dec 18
 

ponyo

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Elon, make S&P pay. Make them pay dearly for their previous dumb attempt to market time TSLA S&P 500 addition while preaching to the general investing public that they shouldn't try to market time with their investments. Those old money hypocrites. If they come and beg you to do another equity raise to provide more shares and liquidity for this add event, please tell them you're good and have plenty of cash and they can go fvck themselves for snubbing you back in Sept. Squeeze the S&P. Squeeze the shorts. Squeeze them all. No mercy.
 

RearAdmiral

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Elon, make S&P pay. Make them pay dearly for their previous dumb attempt to market time TSLA S&P 500 addition while preaching to the general investing public that they shouldn't try to market time with their investments. Those old money hypocrites. If they come and beg you to do another equity raise to provide more shares and liquidity for this add event, please tell them you're good and have plenty of cash and they can go fvck themselves for snubbing you back in Sept. Squeeze the S&P. Squeeze the shorts. Squeeze them all. No mercy.

So you're saying I should buy tesla?
 
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Elon, make S&P pay. Make them pay dearly for their previous dumb attempt to market time TSLA S&P 500 addition while preaching to the general investing public that they shouldn't try to market time with their investments. Those old money hypocrites. If they come and beg you to do another equity raise to provide more shares and liquidity for this add event, please tell them you're good and have plenty of cash and they can go fvck themselves for snubbing you back in Sept. Squeeze the S&P. Squeeze the shorts. Squeeze them all. No mercy.

I'm not going to lie - I read this in the voice of Smeagol's voice hehe...

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jpiniero

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Elon, make S&P pay. Make them pay dearly for their previous dumb attempt to market time TSLA S&P 500 addition while preaching to the general investing public that they shouldn't try to market time with their investments. Those old money hypocrites. If they come and beg you to do another equity raise to provide more shares and liquidity for this add event, please tell them you're good and have plenty of cash and they can go fvck themselves for snubbing you back in Sept. Squeeze the S&P. Squeeze the shorts. Squeeze them all. No mercy.

If anything, this could be the trigger that finally kills off the market as a whole. I can't be the only one looking to reduce exposure to the S&P over this.
 

ponyo

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If anything, this could be the trigger that finally kills off the market as a whole. I can't be the only one looking to reduce exposure to the S&P over this.
lol. TSLA will make up around 1% of the S&P 500. If you think 1% can kill 99%, you're special kind of bear. You've been talking about market doom and gloom as long as I can remember. Don't be a dumb bear. You're betting against stacked deck and rigged game.

I'm definitely not against S&P. I think index investing is the best for majority of people. It's not for me but I see the appeal. The reason why index is so hard to beat is that they're constantly updating their list of companies and replacing the under performers with winners. So I would never bet against S&P longterm. You have to be major idiot to even consider it.

S&P will be way better off in the long run with Tesla in the index. Tesla will power S&P this and the next decade.
 

jpiniero

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lol. TSLA will make up around 1% of the S&P 500. If you think 1% can kill 99%, you're special kind of bear. You've been talking about market doom and gloom as long as I can remember. Don't be a dumb bear. You're betting against stacked deck and rigged game.

It's more the implication that they are adding a stock because of memes. Probably would be like 1.5-2%. The S&P is also getting too tech heavy, but at least the other big name tech companies are very profitable even if their valuations are crazy.
 

ponyo

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It's more the implication that they are adding a stock because of memes. Probably would be like 1.5-2%. The S&P is also getting too tech heavy, but at least the other big name tech companies are very profitable even if their valuations are crazy.
They're adding Tesla because Tesla is super important, not because of memes. You need to quit relying on stupid sites like Zero Hedge to spoon feed you garbage propaganda and start thinking for yourself. Tesla will be one of the most profitable company if not the most profitable company in the S&P the next decade.
 

jpiniero

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They're adding Tesla because Tesla is super important, not because of memes.

It's a car company in a time when people are driving less. It's a dying industry. They're adding it because of the market cap (ironically enough), and that's being driven by all the memes.
 
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It's a car company in a time when people are driving less. It's a dying industry. They're adding it because of the market cap (ironically enough), and that's being driven by all the memes.
People are driving less?

Shiiiiiit, not in my state - even with Covid heh
 

zinfamous

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Isn't that the competitor to SpaceX? SpaceX is private.

They aren't really the same. SPCE is more about space tourism, but at least for the first part, just doing low orbit martini trips for super wealthy wasps.
 

dasherHampton

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When I sold those low SPCE puts a few weeks ago I'm pretty sure I thought it was for SpaceX. I also am a noob when it comes to space investment stuff.

It happens lol.
 
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dasherHampton

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Nothing for/against Tesla - I sincerely have no stake in it nor do I care... but Consumer Reports is a giant piece of worthless garbage that I would never take advice from.

I'm not a huge fan of CR either but the problems do exist. This isn't the first time I've read about them.

Tesla will have major problems as they move towards producing millions of vehicles a year. Every car company does. Do you believe China is being honest about the reliability of their nascent EV industry? Of course not. Parts are falling off of those cars.

It's going to be a bumpy road. Why do you think the head of Toyota felt confident in raising the big finger at Tesla last week?

That being sad - TSLA will be fine in the long run. I bought a share so when the "If you invested $1000 in TSLA 20 years ago you'd have _____" articles pop up I can say I DID.
 
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FelixDeCat

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When I sold those low SPCE puts a few weeks ago I'm pretty sure I thought it was for SpaceX. I also am a noob when it comes to space investment stuff.

It happens lol.



This was a lucky break TBH, I normally dont get 70% in 48 hours.
 
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FelixDeCat

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I'm not a huge fan of CR either but the problems do exist. This isn't the first time I've read about them.

Tesla will have major problems as they move towards producing millions of vehicles a year. Every car company does. Do you believe China is being honest about the reliability of their nascent EV industry? Of course not. Parts are falling off of those cars.

It's going to be a bumpy road. Why do you think the head of Toyota felt confident in raising the big finger at Tesla last week?

That being sad - TSLA will be fine in the long run. I bought a share so when the "If you invested $1000 in TSLA 20 years ago you'd have _____" articles pop up I can say I DID.

Its not just TSLA, a lot of late model EV co's are having quality issues lately. Audi, KIA and Porsche all were cited for all sorts of problems with their electric vehicles.

Thats why I stick to good ol' fossil fuels. :)