***Official*** 2017 Stock Market Thread

[JTsyo]

By the way, if I'm about to officially open up an account and start trading... Anyone have recommendations for whom I should go with for a brokerage account? Personally I'm a bit skeptical of any that want to charge $7+ for a simple fucking trade.

You can expect to pay about $5-7 a trade for any of the major ones. You can check with your bank if they have some kind of program for account holders. I have Wells Fargo and they offer 100 free trades per year if you have the PMA bank account.

Robinhood does offer free trades.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I was short oil calls through OAS (covered), it looks like $60 per barrel might be on the horizon.

 

[FelixDeCat]

AMD gets SMASHED, but I do not own any.

Im long oil - 1400 OAS shares, long GOLD - two $50 Eagles.

 

[zinfamous]

AMD gets SMASHED, but I do not own any.

Im long oil - 1400 OAS shares, long GOLD - two $50 Eagles.

more like, AMD gets manipulated down, yet again, producing another buying opportunity.

 

[FIVR]

I bought AAPL January 2018 170 strike calls on the 19th. So far up 150% but they peaked yesterday at 170%.


I think I may get 1000%+ returns on these after earnings on the 2nd.

AMD gets SMASHED, but I do not own any.

Im long oil - 1400 OAS shares, long GOLD - two $50 Eagles.

What a terrible investment. You are investing in the 19th century. Why not go all in on coal?

The only smart way to "long oil" is through BRK-A or BRK-B.

 

[FIVR]

more like, AMD gets manipulated down, yet again, producing another buying opportunity.

You don't even want to know how much money I lost on that stock last week.

 

[Charmonium]

We've had the dump, now comes the pump.

 

[dullard]

You don't even want to know how much money I lost on that stock last week.

I keep saying, that good products don't make a good stock. Good PRICING makes a good stock.

EPYC is a great product and right now there are great cost reasons to buy it. But tomorrow Intel could cut its Xeon prices and there would not be one single reason to ever buy EPYC. That means that AMD is only going to earn money for as long as Intel lets them. Not being in control of your destiny due to pricing is not a good stock to have other than for short term speculation. You are essentially betting that Intel will not cut prices. That is a good bet--until it isn't.

Since your July 25, 2017 call AMD, put Intel post, AMD is down 23.5% and Intel is up 34.2%.

 

[FIVR]

I keep saying, that good products don't make a good stock. Good PRICING makes a good stock.

EPYC is a great product and right now there are great cost reasons to buy it. But tomorrow Intel could cut its Xeon prices and there would not be one single reason to ever buy EPYC. That means that AMD is only going to earn money for as long as Intel lets them. Not being in control of your destiny due to pricing is not a good stock to have other than for short term speculation. You are essentially betting that Intel will not cut prices. That is a good bet--until it isn't.

Since your July 25, 2017 call AMD, put Intel post, AMD is down 23.5% and Intel is up 34.2%.

I exited the intel puts. But I still hold a ton of AMD shares and calls.


Not concerned. I've been long AMD since they were in the 2-4$ range and already have 300% returns on that stock. You don't know what you're talking about if you think AMD is a "bad stock" and INTC is a "good stock" lol. 2 year returns on amd are over 300%. 2 year returns on INTC are more like 30% lol. It's not even close.

 

[dullard]

lol. 2 year returns on amd are over 300%. 2 year returns on INTC are more like 30% lol. It's not even close.

Cherry picked dates are cherry picked.

Two can play that game. 10 year returns on AMD are -17.7%, Intel are +230%. And that doesn't even count dividends. lol. It's not even close.

I'd actually stay clear of both at the moment. Both stocks are overvalued in my mind, unless you are looking at short term plays. If AMD does start to make big server gains, Intel will have to do a price war which will kill both companies returns. With stocks, it isn't AMD vs. Intel since neither and both are also options. You need to keep your emotions, such as team preferences, out of stocks

 

[FIVR]

Cherry picked dates are cherry picked.

Two can play that game. 10 year returns on AMD are -17.7%, Intel are +230%. And that doesn't even count dividends. lol. It's not even close.

I'd actually stay clear of both at the moment. Both stocks are overvalued in my mind, unless you are looking at short term plays. If AMD does start to make big server gains, Intel will have to do a price war which will kill both companies returns. With stocks, it isn't AMD vs. Intel since neither and both are also options. You need to keep your emotions, such as team preferences, out of stocks

Your 10 year dream intel returns still lose to my 2 year returns for AMD. Of course you can find some time period where you could've made more on Intel, but that is cherry picking (since you clearly don't understand the analogy). Intel has been flat for years while AMD has offered lots of opportunities to trade both downside and upside... that is why AMD is a traders dream stock while INTC is unsigned hype. It's only merit is its dividend... which is still crap compared to heavyweights like KO.


You don't know how to value a company, that is pretty clear. Both overvalued? Lmao


AMD is a steal while INTC is an overvalued pig of a stock that can't get out of its own way. Watch an learn - AMD will be $20 in less than 6 months while INTC will be back in the 30s if they're lucky.

 

[ImpulsE69]

If you're talking long, you can't leave out dividends, which AMD lacks. AMD is great for short swings, but as a long play unless you were in when it was $4 or so, you missed the gains boat. AMD holders are too flighty. There was zero reason for the drop in the long term. It matters in no way at all if they beat or lost ER or future growth predictions because you are just loaning them your money. Instead everyone ran away. AMD will probably always be the underdog in their area and should be played as such.

 

[FIVR]

AAPL just posted earnings. 2.07 vs 1.87 Est. Reve 52.6B vs 50.79B. Already at 174 after hours and the conference call just started.


I'm gonna be even more rich!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Oil has been doing well. OAS went from $8.50 to $10 in no time at all. All smaller cap oil stocks have been on fire this week as oil jumps from $50 - $55 in hopes of $60.

Get ready for $3+ gas nationwide!

 

[FelixDeCat]

I keep saying, that good products don't make a good stock. Good PRICING makes a good stock.

EPYC is a great product and right now there are great cost reasons to buy it. But tomorrow Intel could cut its Xeon prices and there would not be one single reason to ever buy EPYC. That means that AMD is only going to earn money for as long as Intel lets them. Not being in control of your destiny due to pricing is not a good stock to have other than for short term speculation. You are essentially betting that Intel will not cut prices. That is a good bet--until it isn't.

Since your July 25, 2017 call AMD, put Intel post, AMD is down 23.5% and Intel is up 34.2%.

I agree. Intel was / is a good long term hold!

But let me tell you about another stock that got away from me, it was Align Technology. They make invisible braces for teeth and the technology surrounding it. Back in 2008 here was my transaction:

I bought 5,000 shares of ALGN on April 29,2008 for $11.75 and sold later that day for $12.00, netting $1,179.88. Back then my "investment horizon" spanned moments and not much longer.

However, those 5,000 shares of ALGN are now worth $1,150,000 just 9.5 years later!

Thats what I get for not looking at the "big picture".

 

[Chaotic42]

I agree. Intel was / is a good long term hold!

But let me tell you about another stock that got away from me, it was Align Technology. They make invisible braces for teeth and the technology surrounding it. Back in 2008 here was my transaction:

I bought 5,000 shares of ALGN on April 29,2008 for $11.75 and sold later that day for $12.00, netting $1,179.88. Back then my "investment horizon" spanned moments and not much longer.

However, those 5,000 shares of ALGN are now worth $1,150,000 just 9.5 years later!

Thats what I get for not looking at the "big picture".

I bought a bunch of SIRI at 0.05 back in the day. I was seriously considering going big and dropping $15,000 into it. It's $5.34 today...

I bought a little bit of AMD yesterday. I've been out of the market for a while, so I figured I'd ease in.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I bought a bunch of SIRI at 0.05 back in the day. I was seriously considering going big and dropping $15,000 into it. It's $5.34 today...

I bought a little bit of AMD yesterday. I've been out of the market for a while, so I figured I'd ease in.

Im telling you, just give me something to believe in - I PROMISE to buy and hold ..... this time.

Right now I have 1500 shares of OAS at around $9.65. Earnings are 11/7/17. I am hoping it goes to $10,$11 or $12.

Merry Christmas!

 

[FIVR]

Oil has been doing well. OAS went from $8.50 to $10 in no time at all. All smaller cap oil stocks have been on fire this week as oil jumps from $50 - $55 in hopes of $60.

Get ready for $3+ gas nationwide!

Oil has been doing "well" if you compare it to bituminous coal I guess. Oil companies have been doing very poorly. Oil itself is up from its ~40/barrel lows but cannot seem to get any higher than 55-60/barrel and probably never will.

Oil has capped gains but nearly infinite losses. If oil gets anywhere near $60/barrel you have thousands of Shale oil producers who have been stocking piling and hedging at that price and they dump their hedge on the market the minute they can get the price they want. This has the effect of limiting the price of oil.

Meanwhile you have inroads constantly being made in alternative energy. Demand for oil continues to fall even as production costs remain the same or go lower. It's a simple case of supply and demand. If supply is high and demand keeps going down... why on earth would you believe that prices will rise?

You may as well forget about oil going over $60 a barrel. That won't happen unless we have a very large war... which if it happens - the price of your stocks is going to be the least of your concerns.

 

[FIVR]

Im telling you, just give me something to believe in - I PROMISE to buy and hold ..... this time.

Right now I have 1500 shares of OAS at around $9.65. Earnings are 11/7/17. I am hoping it goes to $10,$11 or $12.

Merry Christmas!

You should've bought AAPL calls like me. I'm up 170% already and will have 400-600% gains by tomorrow. Instead you basically invested in dirt.

Edit: Just looked at this OAS company. Holy crap you have terrible ideas! Are you just trying to troll people here into losing money? That must be it... I mean I hope so for your sake.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You should've bought AAPL calls like me. I'm up 170% already and will have 400-600% gains by tomorrow. Instead you basically invested in dirt.

Edit: Just looked at this OAS company. Holy crap you have terrible ideas! Are you just trying to troll people here into losing money? That must be it... I mean I hope so for your sake.

Everyone is free to share in this thread. It is not necessary to call someone a troll simply because you disagree with an idea. Keeping your opinions constructive is a benefit to all.

ps. OAS is $10.22 this morning.

 

[FIVR]

Everyone is free to share in this thread. It is not necessary to call someone a troll simply because you disagree with an idea. Keeping your opinions constructive is a benefit to all.

ps. OAS is $10.22 this morning.

It was down 2% yesterday.... so that means it is only climbing back from prior losses. It has lost 90% of its value since 2014. The stock has preformed EXTREMELY poorly and is forecasting consistent losses every quarter. Advising people to buy utter crap is a troll move


AAPL is nearly at 175 and probably will hit 180 today. AAPL earns $2.07 per share and pays a large dividend. AAPL has announced share buybacks are coming.

Don't try to compare your dirt stock with Apple, troll. It won't end well.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It was down 2% yesterday.... so that means it is only climbing back from prior losses. It has lost 90% of its value since 2014. The stock has preformed EXTREMELY poorly and is forecasting consistent losses every quarter. Advising people to buy utter crap is a troll move


AAPL is nearly at 175 and probably will hit 180 today. AAPL earns $2.07 per share and pays a large dividend. AAPL has announced share buybacks are coming.

Don't try to compare your dirt stock with Apple, troll. It won't end well.

Hmmm....I agree that Apple has been a great investment for 2017, but continuing to call me a troll simply because you dont like OAS is weird. Do you have any other ideas or do you simply want to insult people who disagree with you? I would be interested to know about anything else you like besides Apple.

I would hate to put you on ignore just because you dont know how to play nice.

Have a good day,

Felix

 

[dullard]

AAPL just posted earnings. 2.07 vs 1.87 Est. Reve 52.6B vs 50.79B. Already at 174 after hours and the conference call just started.


I'm gonna be even more rich!

That is because Apple has good pricing. Arguably there are better features on just about any feature you can think of on non-Apple phones. But Apple gets to charge the premium pricing. That is why Apple is a good pick. And the reverse for AMD.

 

[jpiniero]

Checked the fed rate, seems like they expect another increase in Dec to 1.25 - 1.5. The current odds don't expect another increase until June though.

 

[Charmonium]

Yellen seems pretty serious about normalizing rates. A Dec. increase wouldn't surprise me. They've reduced their balance sheet by about $100B since January so you would expect short term rates to increase.

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