**Official 2016-17 NFLAG Football Week 10 Thread**

[dainthomas]

I hate Pete Carroll, too. He is scum. Once Wilson is gone or done, I will be done with the Seahawks.

Being the oldest coach in the league, he'll retire well before Wilson. With probably one or two more Superbowl wins.

Yeah, Prosise did take a nasty helmet-to-helmet in the first half from that Butler bitch that wasn't called. I agree, there.

And the push-off on Shead that the hack Collinsworth thought was great.

I was actually shocked when he admitted that Gronkowski may have initiated contact (i.e. tackled) Kam. Maybe if he'd tried catching the ball instead of drawing a flag they could have scored. But perhaps he was still woozy from getting creamed by Thomas.

 

[purbeast0]

I think Norman has been spectacular and worth every penny they paid for him. He's done great and has gotten burnt a few times, but it's against arguably the best receivers in the game - that is going to happen. Yesterday you didn't even hear his name until like the 3rd or 4th quarter on his first tackle of the game - and that's because he was doing a great job and they weren't throwing his way. He's definitely one of the better free agent's they've had in a while.

I am over DJax, I hope they get rid of him and keep Garcon next year. I prefer Garcon.

They can't force the ball to DJax, and he's drawing double coverages all the time and that is why he's not getting deep balls - it's simply not there. Then when they force one there, it is picked off like in the Cincy game, wihch was okay though since it was 3rd and long and it was basically a punt. Yesterday with him being out, the Redskins offense did the same as it does with him on the field, so him drawing double coverages and stuff isn't as valuable as I thought it was. I think it's because they have so many weapons that require multiple people to attend to, and that in turn is why people are always open.

What they need to do is score in the redzone. They need to fix that. Now that it appears Rob Kelly has taken the starting role at RB I hope they start to pound the ball more, but yesterday they still didn't balance it too much. I was pissed when they were up 14-0 and got the ball, then went 3 and out with 3 straight passes and incompletes. I mean why not run the ball there and control the clock for a while? Stupid situational football IMO.

Same when in the redzone - drop the fucking fade from the playbook completely. Start doing quick slants and get the ball to the TE's. They will fall forward because they are huge, which will give them more yards. Git it to fat Rob and let him plow it up the gut. Draw up some plays that has KC running the ball into the endzone on a draw or option or a bootleg.

 

[Childs]

Wilson was phenomenal last night and for the first time this season looked to be his old self. I suppose that rolled off onto the backs, because they were able to gain positive yards for the first time. But I miss Lynch, that guy was the soul of this team. Twice, Prosise got knocked to the ground or stopped on a one-on-one where Lynch would have just flattened those dudes.

And it was the best game I have seen so far this season. Patriots pretty clearly on their way to the AFCC game at least. I hope it's Patriots v Oakland, with Oakland getting some much-needed revenge, though.

Arizona and Atlanta are basket cases and Cowboys are the only consistent team in the NFC. Redskins are spoilers though, and only a weak secondary away from being a top-tier NFC team this year, imo.

While I like Seattle's receivers, they arent particularly fast and need a little time to get open. Wilson just being able to move a little bit has made a huge difference in allowing them to get open, and he can probably see the field cleaner. And I think that made the Pats more honest, so the running was easier.

The Dallas/Pittsburg was game pretty good too. Dak reminds me of a big boy version of Russell Wilson. And Zeke is a beast. I'd love nothing more than having the Raiders in the Super Bowl, especially against Seattle or Dallas, but I think its a year too soon for Oakland. Whats interesting now is 3 AFC West teams have 7 wins, so home field isnt necessarily a given for NE, although they will probably pick each other off at least once each. The freakin Steelers better make the playoffs. If NE is going back to the Super Bowl I want them to earn it by at least beating a Big Ben lead Steelers.

 

[zinfamous]

I think Norman has been spectacular and worth every penny they paid for him. He's done great and has gotten burnt a few times, but it's against arguably the best receivers in the game - that is going to happen. Yesterday you didn't even hear his name until like the 3rd or 4th quarter on his first tackle of the game - and that's because he was doing a great job and they weren't throwing his way. He's definitely one of the better free agent's they've had in a while.

I am over DJax, I hope they get rid of him and keep Garcon next year. I prefer Garcon.

They can't force the ball to DJax, and he's drawing double coverages all the time and that is why he's not getting deep balls - it's simply not there. Then when they force one there, it is picked off like in the Cincy game, wihch was okay though since it was 3rd and long and it was basically a punt. Yesterday with him being out, the Redskins offense did the same as it does with him on the field, so him drawing double coverages and stuff isn't as valuable as I thought it was. I think it's because they have so many weapons that require multiple people to attend to, and that in turn is why people are always open.

What they need to do is score in the redzone. They need to fix that. Now that it appears Rob Kelly has taken the starting role at RB I hope they start to pound the ball more, but yesterday they still didn't balance it too much. I was pissed when they were up 14-0 and got the ball, then went 3 and out with 3 straight passes and incompletes. I mean why not run the ball there and control the clock for a while? Stupid situational football IMO.

Same when in the redzone - drop the fucking fade from the playbook completely. Start doing quick slants and get the ball to the TE's. They will fall forward because they are huge, which will give them more yards. Git it to fat Rob and let him plow it up the gut. Draw up some plays that has KC running the ball into the endzone on a draw or option or a bootleg.

I do think Norman has been worth every penny and has been very good. I think why I perceive him to be less than great at times is because he is basically doing 2.5 people's work out there, so on a few occasions, he ends up getting busted on routes that he shouldn't be covering. I yell at the TV every time I see Breelund.

 

[BUTCH1]

While I like Seattle's receivers, they arent particularly fast and need a little time to get open. Wilson just being able to move a little bit has made a huge difference in allowing them to get open, and he can probably see the field cleaner. And I think that made the Pats more honest, so the running was easier.

The Dallas/Pittsburg was game pretty good too. Dak reminds me of a big boy version of Russell Wilson. And Zeke is a beast. I'd love nothing more than having the Raiders in the Super Bowl, especially against Seattle or Dallas, but I think its a year too soon for Oakland. Whats interesting now is 3 AFC West teams have 7 wins, so home field isnt necessarily a given for NE, although they will probably pick each other off at least once each. The freakin Steelers better make the playoffs. If NE is going back to the Super Bowl I want them to earn it by at least beating a Big Ben lead Steelers.

IMO the Pats defense was barely above average BEFORE the shipped one of the leagues premiere LB's to Cleveland, Wilson did get sacked a few times, but more often than not he had AMPLE time to spot someone open. Now I'm not trying to take anything away from RW's performance but last year with Chandler Jones and Collins playing the Pats defense usually got decent pressure on the QB. I guess BB was counting on Jabaal Sheard to play at last years level, but he has basically evaporated and is now the 4th option and played just 16 snaps last night and was crushed by Seattle's "no-name" offensive line. Meanwhile Jones is playing at an all-pro level in Arizona. I expect the Pats to beat the tomato-cans and get to the playoff's but the legitimate question now is can they compete for a SB with the D in shambles. This will force the offense to be in "desperation mode" against good teams because this defense is NOT going to stop a legit playoff contender.

 

[Childs]

IMO the Pats defense was barely above average BEFORE the shipped one of the leagues premiere LB's to Cleveland, Wilson did get sacked a few times, but more often than not he had AMPLE time to spot someone open. Now I'm not trying to take anything away from RW's performance but last year with Chandler Jones and Collins playing the Pats defense usually got decent pressure on the QB. I guess BB was counting on Jabaal Sheard to play at last years level, but he has basically evaporated and is now the 4th option and played just 16 snaps last night and was crushed by Seattle's "no-name" offensive line. Meanwhile Jones is playing at an all-pro level in Arizona. I expect the Pats to beat the tomato-cans and get to the playoff's but the legitimate question now is can they compete for a SB with the D in shambles. This will force the offense to be in "desperation mode" against good teams because this defense is NOT going to stop a legit playoff contender.

Yeah, Seattle hasnt had that kind of time in a while, partially because Wilson couldnt move around. You still dont see Wilson running for positive yards, but now he's moving around enough to get the ball out of his hands. I havent watched NE play that much this year, really just the Arizona game. When they traded Collins I assumed they were playing lights out on D and simply didnt need him. Especially since their record and everyone penciling them in the Super Bowl already. After seeing them play, losing Jones and Collins seems like a huge downgrade. The Patriots D in general didnt seem like what were used to watching in a prime time game. I think if Russell could run they probably would have scored 42. Makes me kind of think their wins against the Bills and Steelers were more about those teams injuries. The Bills without a healthy Shady is a different team, and same with the Steelers without Big Ben. They're probably still the best in the AFC, but beatable in the playoffs. Although that might not matter because of their offense, unless they run into someone like Denver.

 

[BUTCH1]

Yeah, Seattle hasnt had that kind of time in a while, partially because Wilson couldnt move around. You still dont see Wilson running for positive yards, but now he's moving around enough to get the ball out of his hands. I havent watched NE play that much this year, really just the Arizona game. When they traded Collins I assumed they were playing lights out on D and simply didnt need him. Especially since their record and everyone penciling them in the Super Bowl already. After seeing them play, losing Jones and Collins seems like a huge downgrade. The Patriots D in general didnt seem like what were used to watching in a prime time game. I think if Russell could run they probably would have scored 42. Makes me kind of think their wins against the Bills and Steelers were more about those teams injuries. The Bills without a healthy Shady is a different team, and same with the Steelers without Big Ben. They're probably still the best in the AFC, but beatable in the playoffs. Although that might not matter because of their offense, unless they run into someone like Denver.

After watching the Gronk play 5-6 times I can't figure out why he felt he needed to lay Kam out in the first place, he's gonna win the jump-ball, just go and catch it. Could have been called as OPI as well. Then Carrol has another Carrol moment when the Hawks score and he goes for 2 which would have made NE needing 2 possessions but wound up failing and leaving it a 7 point lead. If he kicks the EP NE now has to score AND convert the 2-point play. Really I would have fed it to Blount 4X, the 2nd TD he dragged half the Seattle D on his back and STILL got it in!, that's why you have a power back. Even great coaches "out-think" themselves at times, we were all screaming for BB to call a TO when beast-mode got it down to the 1 and lets face it, Butler, (and Carrol+Bevelle) bailed out BB on that deal.

 

[BUTCH1]

Holy S***!, it seems Gronk suffered a punctured lung in the 2nd half after the big (but totally clean) hit by Thomas and he actually finished the game with that injury!..link,http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...b-gronkowski-suffered-possible-punctured-lung

 

[Childs]

Holy S***!, it seems Gronk suffered a punctured lung in the 2nd half after the big (but totally clean) hit by Thomas and he actually finished the game with that injury!..link,http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...b-gronkowski-suffered-possible-punctured-lung

That kinda explains some things. I remember Gronk going in the middle and seemingly made a business decision as Kam was about to light him up. You never really see that from Gronk.

 

[zinfamous]

Holy S***!, it seems Gronk suffered a punctured lung in the 2nd half after the big (but totally clean) hit by Thomas and he actually finished the game with that injury!..link,http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...b-gronkowski-suffered-possible-punctured-lung

Holy crap FrankenGronk! That was a serious hit and I was surprised he didn't score a concussion on that. But it clearly did some serious damage, I was wondering what actually happened. Amazing he kept playing. I can't imagine what kind of conditioning + adrenaline these guys are going through during games to keep playing after those injuries.

 

[KMFJD]

Lions are in first...bahahahahahhahaha

 

[akugami]

I haven't been on the forums in a while. Some musings...

Matthew Stafford...it's a contract year. He's going to do enough to get a huge 20+ million a year contract...and then stink it up again. They couldn't win with Megatron! And back in the day the great Barry Sanders. Expect Stafford to be a typical Lion, does just enough to be a tease, and then lets you down.

Cowboys are poised to go far. It's not so much the QB as the rest of the team is well built. Good O-line. Good wideouts and a great halfback. And all of the cockroaches up in the northeast who have never set foot in Texas much less Dallas are cheering like crazy. Just a note that I have no problem with trash talk from anyone actually from the Dallas area. One of our business partners are in Dallas and I receive trash talk text from them. It's all in good fun. It's just that the jackasses who have never even been in the state of Texas seems to be the most annoying bleepholes ever.

The Bears...holy crap. I called the Eagles a dumpster fire last year. The Bears are worse this year than the Eagles were last year. Cutler is done. I'm sure Chicago is sick and tired of him by now. Not just the fans but his teammates as well.

Speaking of dumpster fires...the Browns are likely going a perfect 0-16 this year joining the Lions. While the jury is still out on Carson Wentz, he is showing flashes of being a franchise QB. If he was drafted by the Browns, he'd probably be on IR right about now...

Eagles. O-line looking better. Still need a new tackle once Peters is retired but Vaitai looks serviceable for now after that horrible first game. Receivers stink. How many times did they drop the ball? Every running back except Sproles seem to fumble. Biggest need on defense is still corner. And I have lost all confidence in tight end Zack Ertz. Enough about how athletic he is and how much potential he has. He needs to prove he is worthy of that contract.

Are the Colts ever going to put a team around Andrew Luck?

 

[KMFJD]

I haven't been on the forums in a while. Some musings...

Matthew Stafford...it's a contract year. He's going to do enough to get a huge 20+ million a year contract...and then stink it up again. They couldn't win with Megatron! And back in the day the great Barry Sanders. Expect Stafford to be a typical Lion, does just enough to be a tease, and then lets you down.

QB is way more important to a team than a RB or WR is though and he's the only Lion QB since i started watching back in '89 that has been worth a damn. He's no Brady etc but he's a hell of a lot better than anything else they have had in franchise history.

/not sure who's been the worst mistake on the lake, the Brown's or the Lions

 

[zinfamous]

QB is way more important to a team than a RB or WR is though and he's the only Lion QB since i started watching back in '89 that has been worth a damn. He's no Brady etc but he's a hell of a lot better than anything else they have had in franchise history.

/not sure who's been the worst mistake on the lake, the Brown's or the Lions

Heh, I've never heard this term before. Obviously, I'm not a local.