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nice.
A cripple gets $17m/yr while Dirk takes $8m/yr for 3 years. That's near 1/3 what he's worth as the still-very-capable franchise cornerstone and brand symbol of the mavs for the last dozen+ years. I commend the respect he and cuban pay each other, and no doubt this is at the backbone of taking such a small salary. Overall, Dirk has been one of the highest grossing nba players in league history, and this is clearly a 'give-back' to cuban (as well assistance to the mavs commitment in their efforts to build/maintain a contender.)
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Considering pro athletes probably see 1/3-1/2 of their gross at most, after taxes, agent %, and expenses...this is crazy for a role player to take $5m instead of a guaranteed $12m contract at this stage of his career.
2 years @ $5.5 and a chance at another championship (and history, because, let's face it, if Lebron wins in Cleveland in the next year or two, he is going down as a legend). The Miller pick up fits what they need (a shooter) and the Nuggets weren't winning anything with his contributions.
And, as with Dirk and Duncan, it isn't always about "making the most money" as much as it is about helping out your team where it needs it the most. Even lesser paid guys can take a "hit" here and there to help out.
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Anthony Bennett lost 16 pounds and looks a lot better than last year: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/14/5896829/anthony-bennett-cavaliers-nba-summer-league
16 may not sound like a lot, but muscle weighs more than fat, so he could be a whole different player.
16 may not sound like a lot, but muscle weighs more than fat, so he could be a whole different player.
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Essentially he's paying part of lebron's salary. Ridiculous for a role player to take such a hit...they are the reason the stars like Dirk and Duncan take less money, so the team can sign guys like Miller...not the other way around, so the Lebron's can bank ridiculous amounts.
Those guys are at a stage of their careers they can give back for a chance to win it all. Lebron probably makes more outside of his contract than from it, yet it's Miller taking the hit. Sure he'll be with lebron and have a chance at more success in the league, but he's certainly not a winner for conceding so much just to ride a coattail. No wonder the players association is pissed...they screwed up at the last bargaining session and now players are not only getting choked by the brutal salary cap penalty on teams and taking a lower percentage of team revenues, but also by players allowing teams to rape them financially, helping the teams to set the bar lower for these players. Indeed it goes both ways...no one is forcing these players to take less...but as much as the players union gave up in the last bargaining session, the players are insane for giving up even more by taking so much less...ie getting pwned again by the owners.
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Carmelo signs for 5 years/$124m, takes less than max.
LOL, there's someone who puts winning first...an average sacrifice of $1m/yr so that the knicks can go to town in the free agency market.
I don't actually have problem with it, except the agent's press release, I mean ESPN article, makes it sound like there's something significant worth noting here.
LOL, there's someone who puts winning first...an average sacrifice of $1m/yr so that the knicks can go to town in the free agency market.
I don't actually have problem with it, except the agent's press release, I mean ESPN article, makes it sound like there's something significant worth noting here.
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I see it differently.
Players have often taken less for better teammates, including the Big 3 and Mike Miller back in 2010. The CBA hit players really hard while teams, players, and agents are still trying to finagle whatever they can within the rules. But make no mistake that paycuts have been around before and after the CBA, and the NBA isn't the only league that sees it happen.
If a player handles his finances well, and many don't, then the difference between banking $82M and $88M over the course of his career isn't too huge. Especially when it comes to championships and playing alongside a close friend.
Both Ray Allen and Miller were reported to have strong intentions of going wherever Lebron went this offseason. If money is a secondary concern at this point in their careers then it isn't up to them to fight against an oppressive CBA, cap limits, or any other political aspects of the game. A strong locker room, conserving their aging bodies, and playing for championships can be more meaningful that brag cash.
Players have often taken less for better teammates, including the Big 3 and Mike Miller back in 2010. The CBA hit players really hard while teams, players, and agents are still trying to finagle whatever they can within the rules. But make no mistake that paycuts have been around before and after the CBA, and the NBA isn't the only league that sees it happen.
If a player handles his finances well, and many don't, then the difference between banking $82M and $88M over the course of his career isn't too huge. Especially when it comes to championships and playing alongside a close friend.
Both Ray Allen and Miller were reported to have strong intentions of going wherever Lebron went this offseason. If money is a secondary concern at this point in their careers then it isn't up to them to fight against an oppressive CBA, cap limits, or any other political aspects of the game. A strong locker room, conserving their aging bodies, and playing for championships can be more meaningful that brag cash.
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The conversation:
"Hey man, everyone's ripping on these dudes getting paid. I wanna get mine, but I don't want to look greedy, right?"
"OK, the max is $129 million."
"See, that's too much. What can we do to accentuate my naturally humble nature?"
"$50 million?"
"You're fired."
"OK, OK, OK, how about like... 90?"
"..."
"124?"
"PERFECT. Make this shit happen. I'm like the Jesus of humbleness."
"You mean humility?"
"Didn't I just fire you?"
Can't really fault Carmelo for looking to get paid; being talked about for years to come is all well and good, but that's not gonna buy you another yacht. And when he's 70 years old, being rich as Croesus is going to be a great compromise for being left out of the GOAT conversation he was never in. Literally every single person on this board would make the same decision in a heartbeat. I would've liked to see him on the Bulls, but I understand why he did it.
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Lol
booya! I'm diggin this hornets team and seeing them possibly as a 5th seed eastern conference seed. I think their coach brings a lot of chemistry to the team. We'll see if Hairston is thriller or chemistry killer tho.
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Duncan was making 20mil a year 3 seasons ago before he took his paycut when he was 35 years old... James is still 29...
if sports salaries were at all sane, they wouldn't be "giving" anything back, they'd be making less because they're less capable and their production isn't as high
it should be irrelevant how much a player makes outside of game salary; if anything I think its commendable that James "demanded" max salary, otherwise we technically could have seen shenanigans like James/Wade/Bosh all taking ~5+m less and then the Heat picking up Carmelo Anthony, expanding the Big 3 into the Big 4.
And its not Miller taking a hit, he would be giving up part of his potential salary to be in a better situation if that's the choice he makes
but he would be a winner if he just chases the money? the only way he wins is if he does whatever gives him best chance to be happy
Players collectively earn 50% of all league revenue, so there's a finite limit to how much one player can earn even if the CBA didn't have an artificially low ceiling.* If the per player salary ceiling didn't exist, all 30 teams would be offering LeBron $50M per season. Saying shit like Mike Miller is paying for LeBron's earnings is laughably stupid. Due to the CBA, LeBron is massively underpaid. Same goes for KD.
Sacrificing salary doesn't eliminate you from consideration as a "winner," otherwise many of the Spurs veterans would be disqualified as well. jjsole is making no sense whatsoever here. Obviously Mike Miller is making a sacrifice, but he's doing it with both eyes open. Finally, I wouldn't say Miller is riding coattails, necessarily. He's no Robert Sacre riding the pine. He was a pretty integral role player for the Heat's title runs, and there's no doubt Micky Arison was penny-wise, pound foolish in releasing him.
* Ironically this ceiling leads to certain players like a Chris Bosh or a Kyrie Irving arguably receiving a max deal that they aren't deserving of, because they demand it and the front office caves.
Sacrificing salary doesn't eliminate you from consideration as a "winner," otherwise many of the Spurs veterans would be disqualified as well. jjsole is making no sense whatsoever here. Obviously Mike Miller is making a sacrifice, but he's doing it with both eyes open. Finally, I wouldn't say Miller is riding coattails, necessarily. He's no Robert Sacre riding the pine. He was a pretty integral role player for the Heat's title runs, and there's no doubt Micky Arison was penny-wise, pound foolish in releasing him.
* Ironically this ceiling leads to certain players like a Chris Bosh or a Kyrie Irving arguably receiving a max deal that they aren't deserving of, because they demand it and the front office caves.
I believe Miami is still paying Mike Miller for amnesty'n him last year. So although he is taking a pay cut to play with LeBron, it isn't that drastic.
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I don't recall if it was last year or this year it rolls off the books, but the amnesty requires the team to cover the difference between the contracts. So Miller, or whoever else got amnestied, would make the same amount regardless. The offer they take just specifies how much each of the salary each team is responsible for.
unless Lance was a problem in the locker room, did the Pacers just concede the EC to the Cavs?
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