Official 2014 Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[SP33Demon]

I'd be fine trading any of those guys if you can get a top 10 receiver. If it's ppr, I wouldn't mind moving Lynch. Non ppr, mccoy. Would probably still give up bradshaw ahead of those two.

Meh, in PPR scoring Bradshaw is #5, Lynch #6, and McCoy #26. One of these is not like the others. I wouldn't even offer McCoy over Bradshaw, his potential upside doesn't close that big of a gap. McCoy is a RB2 for the rest of the year with RB1 upside, the other two are already solid RB1's. Getting a WR1 for McCoy would be a major coup because you're getting instant value vs wishful thinking value.

 

[glenn1]

Meh, in PPR scoring Bradshaw is #5, Lynch #6, and McCoy #26. One of these is not like the others. I wouldn't even offer McCoy over Bradshaw, his potential upside doesn't close that big of a gap. McCoy is a RB2 for the rest of the year with RB1 upside, the other two are already solid RB1's. Getting a WR1 for McCoy would be a major coup because you're getting instant value vs wishful thinking value.

Bradshaw's valuation gets a haircut due to his injury history, esp. with his neck. Presuming he stays healthy he might wind up the season ahead of both of them which is really quite astonishing since he's also competing with T-Rich for touches.

 

[Kev]

McCoy is a RB2 for the rest of the year with RB1 upside

omfg just stop

You're judging McCoy based on a 6 game sample size. It's ridiculous. You spend all this time barfing up stats and then you put McCoy in a lower tier than Bradshaw? Come on.

 

[glenn1]

omfg just stop

You're judging McCoy based on a 6 game sample size. It's ridiculous. You spend all this time barfing up stats and then you put McCoy in a lower tier than Bradshaw? Come on.

He may be right this time on the broken clock principle. Bradshaw doesn't get respect he deserves and Shady is having a down year and who knows if he'll turn it around or last week's good performance was the outlier. On paper and talent-wise McCoy is better but Bradshaw is actually getting it done this year.

 

[SP33Demon]

omfg just stop

You're judging McCoy based on a 6 game sample size. It's ridiculous. You spend all this time barfing up stats and then you put McCoy in a lower tier than Bradshaw? Come on.

Half the season before playoffs is done already. Could Shady close the gap to surpass Bradshaw in points? Probably not, he has a chance but he'll have to outscore Bradshaw by an average of a TD per game (42pts behind, 7X6 games before playoffs) from here on out. My question is why are you trading a top 5 performing RB to keep the 26th performing one when you can do the opposite? There's no indication that Bradshaw, in the number 1 offense in the league, will stop his torrid pace. Shady will most likely have a very good second half of the season with Kelce ahead of schedule (week 9 estimation) and Mathis in 10, but even then it's not a guarantee. Like I said, Bradshaw is a RB1 and Shady is a RB2 with RB1 upside starting weeks 9-10. It's a risky bet that is unnecessary.

 

[fenrir]

Offered trade, wondering if anyone has some input.

Aaron Rodgers/Alfred Morris for LeSean Mccoy/Jerick McKinnon

My current team:
QB Jay Cutler
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Emmanuel Sanders
WR Denard Robinson
RB Arian Foster
RB LeSean McCoy
TE Rob Gronkowski
Flex Jerick McKinnon
K Matt Prater
DEF Buffalo

Bench
BN Odell Beckham Jr.
BN Ahmad Bradshaw
BN Bishop Sankey
BN Josh Gordon
BN Knile Davis
BN San Francisco

 

[dougp]

Offered trade, wondering if anyone has some input.

Aaron Rodgers/Alfred Morris for LeSean Mccoy/Jerick McKinnon

My current team:
QB Jay Cutler
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Emmanuel Sanders
WR Denard Robinson
RB Arian Foster
RB LeSean McCoy
TE Rob Gronkowski
Flex Jerick McKinnon
K Matt Prater
DEF Buffalo

Bench
BN Odell Beckham Jr.
BN Ahmad Bradshaw
BN Bishop Sankey
BN Josh Gordon
BN Knile Davis
BN San Francisco

That trade seems really good ... is this PPR? Also, you could flip Cutler for another WR or RB.

 

[NoCreativity]

Uhhh how about neither? Who could you possibly be getting to make it worth it? I wouldn't trade either of them for a healthy Megatron.

How does one of these guys sitting on the bench every week help me?

I've got Benjamin, White and Watkins for WRs. Benjamin has been okay. White and Watkins are boom/bust with more bust than boom. I can trade a guy who gets me zero points per week (riding the bench) for a guy who will get me 10+ points most weeks. Personally I'd rather have 10+ per week than 20 one week and zero the next.

 

[SP33Demon]

Offered trade, wondering if anyone has some input.

Aaron Rodgers/Alfred Morris for LeSean Mccoy/Jerick McKinnon

My current team:
QB Jay Cutler
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Emmanuel Sanders
WR Denard Robinson
RB Arian Foster
RB LeSean McCoy
TE Rob Gronkowski
Flex Jerick McKinnon
K Matt Prater
DEF Buffalo

Bench
BN Odell Beckham Jr.
BN Ahmad Bradshaw
BN Bishop Sankey
BN Josh Gordon
BN Knile Davis
BN San Francisco

I like the deal since Rodgers is going to give you significant production over Cutler, and you're getting a RB in return with decent value for depth behind Foster/Bradshaw. McKinnon, I'm high on him since the Vikings have run the ball the most in the NFL so far. On the other hand, Rodgers has full weaponry at his disposal (with Adams emerging) with a soft Pass D schedule. McCoy or Bradshaw was going to ride your bench anyway, may as well get rid of the lesser RB.

A little confused as to why Denard Robinson is in your WR spot, I'm guessing b/c of the Yahoo WR/RB designation and NYG's bye? Because Beckham should be starting over him (which you probably already know).

 

[slayer202]

Half the season before playoffs is done already. Could Shady close the gap to surpass Bradshaw in points? Probably not, he has a chance but he'll have to outscore Bradshaw by an average of a TD per game (42pts behind, 7X6 games before playoffs) from here on out. My question is why are you trading a top 5 performing RB to keep the 26th performing one when you can do the opposite? There's no indication that Bradshaw, in the number 1 offense in the league, will stop his torrid pace. Shady will most likely have a very good second half of the season with Kelce ahead of schedule (week 9 estimation) and Mathis in 10, but even then it's not a guarantee. Like I said, Bradshaw is a RB1 and Shady is a RB2 with RB1 upside starting weeks 9-10. It's a risky bet that is unnecessary.

Bradshaw is 41st in running attempts per game
30th in yards per game
tied for 1st in total touchdowns with demarco murray with 7 (only 1 rushing TD for bradshaw)

Not sure these are the types of numbers you want to bet on to continue returning top 10 value. plus he's not really a threat to have a huge blowup game to win you a week

mccoy has been rather horrible and he's still 7th in rushing yards per game and 4th in attempts. I rather bet on him to have a bigger second half of the season.

you want to trade high, which is why I'd trade bradshaw (and I did in the league where I had him)

 

[SP33Demon]

Bradshaw is 41st in running attempts per game
30th in yards per game
tied for 1st in total touchdowns with demarco murray with 7 (only 1 rushing TD for bradshaw)

Not sure these are the types of numbers you want to bet on to continue returning top 10 value. plus he's not really a threat to have a huge blowup game to win you a week

mccoy has been rather horrible and he's still 7th in rushing yards per game and 4th in attempts. I rather bet on him to have a bigger second half of the season.

you want to trade high, which is why I'd trade bradshaw (and I did in the league where I had him)

This is a good argument - McCoy will get more volume. On the flipside, Indy is now using Bradshaw instead of TRich at the goalline for rushing and TRich tweaked his hammy which may or may not be a problem down the road. Either way, the Colts have less faith in TRich which most likely means more TD goal-line opportunities for Bradshaw. What I'm implying is that Bradshaw's value may go up even more after last week, it's certainly not dropping. Of course McCoy's outlook should be good too off volume. Both should be very good options in the 2nd half of the season, in AB's case there is good reason to believe he will continue to produce.

 

[SP33Demon]

This may be helpful to some of you when making decisions. For example, is Jerrick McKinnon going to get the volume necessary if you trade for him? Is Sankey going to get looks? Why are Fitz and Floyd not getting volume compared to Julio/Roddy? I'd take these with a grain of salt but it does reveal some interesting rankings.

Current Pass-Rush ratios after 7 Weeks of play, top 25% of teams.

Teams that have rushed the most:
1) MN – 0.60 (113/188)
2) TEN – 0.65 (112/171)
3) AZ – 0.70 (112/166)
4) BUF – 0.74 (131/175)
5) HOU – 0.90 (192/212)
6) DAL – 0.91 (214/235)
7) CLE – 0.98 (191/194)
8) KC – 1.01 (187/184)

Teams that have passed the most:
1) ATL – 1.82 (278/152)
2) OAK – 1.77 (195/11)
3) NO – 1.75 (263/150)
4) CHI – 1.62 (263/162)
5) PHI – 1.42 (237/166)
6) IND – 1.37 (302/219)
7-8) DET – 1.35 (252/186)
7-8) DEN – 1.35 (217/260)

 

[Kev]

Bradshaw is 41st in running attempts per game
30th in yards per game
tied for 1st in total touchdowns with demarco murray with 7 (only 1 rushing TD for bradshaw)

Not sure these are the types of numbers you want to bet on to continue returning top 10 value. plus he's not really a threat to have a huge blowup game to win you a week

mccoy has been rather horrible and he's still 7th in rushing yards per game and 4th in attempts. I rather bet on him to have a bigger second half of the season.

you want to trade high, which is why I'd trade bradshaw (and I did in the league where I had him)

Stop making sense.

 

[Kev]

How does one of these guys sitting on the bench every week help me?

I've got Benjamin, White and Watkins for WRs. Benjamin has been okay. White and Watkins are boom/bust with more bust than boom. I can trade a guy who gets me zero points per week (riding the bench) for a guy who will get me 10+ points most weeks. Personally I'd rather have 10+ per week than 20 one week and zero the next.

I assumed you have a flex like every other league. But if you trade anyone it has to be bradshaw. MAYBE you could give up Shady or Lynch for DT but that's about it. Me personally I prefer having stud RBs vs stud receivers. Shady's oline is finally coming together, and he should be back to 2013 form going forward.

You have to look at more than just statistics from 6 or 7 games. Football is so high variance.

 

[fenrir]

I like the deal since Rodgers is going to give you significant production over Cutler, and you're getting a RB in return with decent value for depth behind Foster/Bradshaw. McKinnon, I'm high on him since the Vikings have run the ball the most in the NFL so far. On the other hand, Rodgers has full weaponry at his disposal (with Adams emerging) with a soft Pass D schedule. McCoy or Bradshaw was going to ride your bench anyway, may as well get rid of the lesser RB.

A little confused as to why Denard Robinson is in your WR spot, I'm guessing b/c of the Yahoo WR/RB designation and NYG's bye? Because Beckham should be starting over him (which you probably already know).

Yeah, I picked up Robinson to fill the open WR slot since Yahoo has him listed as a WR/RB. Beckham is on bye and I think Robinson is the best option for scoring points compared to what was on the waiver wire. The league is not PPR by the way.

Mark Ingram was still available, so I picked him up (dropped SF) just because I do not trust Sankey (or his coach) right now. Started 0-4, won the last three. Hopefully this keeps the winning streak alive.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Drop one of these:
Cordoralle Patterson - Vikings - WR
Brian Quick - Rams - WR
Chris Johnson - Jet - RB

for Jermaine Kearse Sea - WR because I think he is going to become the new WR2 in Seatle now that Harvin is gone. All Seatle WRs are Free Agents in my league except Doug Baldwin. Kearse is averaging 5 Fantasy PPG (not great) prior to Harvin leaving.

FWIW: I think I have my choice of TEs for Seatle also.

 

[fenrir]

I assumed you have a flex like every other league. But if you trade anyone it has to be bradshaw. MAYBE you could give up Shady or Lynch for DT but that's about it. Me personally I prefer having stud RBs vs stud receivers. Shady's oline is finally coming together, and he should be back to 2013 form going forward.

You have to look at more than just statistics from 6 or 7 games. Football is so high variance.

I looked at McCoy's matchups for weeks 13-16 and it is a tough road if he doesn't get back to 2013 form. I still wouldn't trade McCoy or Lynch for an injured Megatron.

If you feel McCoy will not get back to stud status and Megatron will be fully healthy in another week, then it may make sense. It is always a gamble in FF.

 

[slayer202]

Drop one of these:
Cordoralle Patterson - Vikings - WR
Brian Quick - Rams - WR
Chris Johnson - Jet - RB

for Jermaine Kearse Sea - WR because I think he is going to become the new WR2 in Seatle now that Harvin is gone. All Seatle WRs are Free Agents in my league except Doug Baldwin. Kearse is averaging 5 Fantasy PPG (not great) prior to Harvin leaving.

FWIW: I think I have my choice of TEs for Seatle also.

chill man

Johnson is droppable, but the #1 receiver in seattle still is just barely startable. the #2 guy? unless you are in a deep deep league, you don't need jermaine kearse

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Thanks for settling me. Atleast you picked the drop I was thinking about making. But you're right. I'm seeing more there than actually exists.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Any thoughts on DeAngelo Williams Car - RB as a stash for the end of the season? I'm trying to find someone who is injured that can kill it a month from now in exchange for my NYJ RB that I don't think I have used all season.

 

[slayer202]

I wouldn't bother. post a list of who's available?

 

[eits]

Offered trade, wondering if anyone has some input.

Aaron Rodgers/Alfred Morris for LeSean Mccoy/Jerick McKinnon

My current team:
QB Jay Cutler
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Emmanuel Sanders
WR Denard Robinson
RB Arian Foster
RB LeSean McCoy
TE Rob Gronkowski
Flex Jerick McKinnon
K Matt Prater
DEF Buffalo

Bench
BN Odell Beckham Jr.
BN Ahmad Bradshaw
BN Bishop Sankey
BN Josh Gordon
BN Knile Davis
BN San Francisco

I like the trade, considering I was the one who offered it to you

 

[eits]

QB - Aaron Rodgers
WR - Randall Cobb
WR - Doug Baldwin
WR - Julian Edelman
RB - Justin Forsett
RB - Alfred Morris
TE - Owen Daniels
FLEX - Brandon Oliver
K - Cody Parkey
DEF - Miami

BN - DeAndre Hopkins
BN - Delanie Walker
BN - Russell Wilson
BN - Robert Griffin
BN - Fred Jackson
BN - Tre Mason

With the trade, I have two solid quarterbacks on bench, so losing Rodgers won't hurt too bad. McCoy would be a great add to the offense, and McKinnon is going to do well because his offensive line doesn't blow, filling in for Adrian Peterson.

Overall, it makes both teams better.

I'm hoping I end up with a strong RB depth so I can trade a couple to a team with crappy RBs and good WR depth. We'll see...

 

[fenrir]

I like the trade, considering I was the one who offered it to you

LOL. I was still hesitant in accepting it. I am just glad I held onto Emmanuel Sanders.

 

[JujuFish]

I'm so happy to be up against Sanders in multiple leagues this week.