Official 2014 Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[chitwood]

Hilton on the bench... not a good start

 

[SP33Demon]

Lol. He is one of those guys who will be boom/bust. Today was boom. I'm happy I played him.

Congrats! I didn't have enough faith in him (5 weeks is my limit to produce). Instead put Sanu in now that AJ Green is out.

 

[SP33Demon]

You guys who were thinking about benching or benched Wayne/Hilton are crazy. Indy passes more than any other team and has arguably the best QB in the league at the helm. I may target Wayne in a trade for PPR league if people have this mindset.

 

[T2urtle]

Congrats! I didn't have enough faith in him (5 weeks is my limit to produce). Instead put Sanu in now that AJ Green is out.

I have a 3 week limit to produce but my replacement WR Brandon cooks is on a bye week. Kinda forced to play him.

Kinda makes it tough next week on who to start.

 

[SP33Demon]

Major coup in a trade. Foles/Vereen for BigBen/Kelce, TE has been a black hole nightmare for me with Ertz/Cameron doing jack shit. This trade could come back to bite me in the ass when Foles makes a comeback in week 10 with his awesome OLine back (mathis/kelce), but Big Ben's line is playing top 5 football now and he's been brutally efficient aside from a fumble or two. Kelce is #1 in the NFL in Yards Per Route Run and virtually matchup proof with an efficient QB passing to him and a superstar RB to keep defenses honest. Loving this deal. Vereen is running behind an OLine that has yet to find its identity (not to mention brutal Run D schedule), and I have Demarco Murray/Pierre Thomas/J.Hill at RB so no major worries there with depth. In fact, just offered Pierre Thomas for Mccoy to see if Mccoy's owner is fed up yet. I'm willing to wait until week 10 for McCoy but not Foles who looked lost last week and is dead last in the NFL in adjusted accuracy. I don't care if he is passing with high volume, without accuracy it's just not going to end well.

 

[glenn1]

In fact, just offered Pierre Thomas for Mccoy to see if Mccoy's owner is fed up yet.

LOL, great offer. Maybe you can adjust it to Thomas/Colston for McCoy/Megatron since your opening bid was so overwhelmingly generous, just to make it more fair for you and all.

 

[SP33Demon]

LOL, great offer. Maybe you can adjust it to Thomas/Colston for McCoy/Megatron since your opening bid was so overwhelmingly generous, just to make it more fair for you and all.

Um, Thomas scored more in his last game than Mccoy in his last 4 (0.5pt PPR). Maybe you don't understand, but Mccoy is a bottom 3 RB this year and it's only going to get worse this week vs NYG.

It's a fair deal based on what they've done so far. For potential? Obviously Mccoy's is higher. How you value that potential vs how they've already performed is where we differ. Mccoy could turn it around in Week 10 but I'd have to suffer with his shit-awful production for another 4 weeks on my bench. PT could blow up any given week, especially PPR since he's led the league in receptions for awhile now. PT is the #3 graded overall RB on PFF with a sterling +6.8, +5.0 of that in Receiving. Shady? -6.7. The only thing Shady is offering anyone right now is potential, but with the worst adjusted accuracy passer in the league and 40% of his amazing OLine missing, Shady isn't offering anything in potential to me either for at least 4 weeks. Even when Kelce/Mathis return, there's no guarantee that they will magically revert back to 2013 dominance. I don't know what you're smoking but Shady is a shit RB this year and people are starting him off name alone.

 

[glenn1]

Um, Thomas scored more in his last game than Mccoy in his last 4 (0.5pt PPR). Maybe you don't understand, but Mccoy is a bottom 3 RB this year and it's only going to get worse this week vs NYG.

It's a fair deal based on what they've done so far. For potential? Obviously Mccoy's is higher. How you value that potential vs how they've already performed is where we differ. Mccoy could turn it around in Week 10 but I'd have to suffer with his shit-awful production for another 4 weeks on my bench. PT could blow up any given week, especially PPR since he's led the league in receptions for awhile now. PT is the #3 graded overall RB on PFF with a sterling +6.8, +5.0 of that in Receiving. Shady? -6.7. The only thing Shady is offering anyone right now is potential, but with the worst adjusted accuracy passer in the league and 40% of his amazing OLine missing, Shady isn't offering anything in potential to me either for at least 4 weeks. Even when Kelce/Mathis return, there's no guarantee that they will magically revert back to 2013 dominance. I don't know what you're smoking but Shady is a shit RB this year and people are starting him off name alone.

Honestly, I'm one of the biggest PT fans out there and he almost single-handedly kept me in the playoff hunt last year, but you are completely high if you think PT for Shady straight up is a good offer.

 

[slayer202]

he's not high, he's SP333333DEMONNNNNNNNNN

 

[vi edit]

Umm you just said that Philly was getting it's "awesome o line back" in week 10. Maybe McCoy gets a bump there. Plus Ingram is coming back to NO...PT's value goes down.

Feeling a bit one sided here...

 

[KeithTalent]

he's not high, he's SP333333DEMONNNNNNNNNN

Haha .

Shit's bananas.

KT

 

[dougp]

Haha .

Shit's bananas.

KT

B-a-n-a-n-a-s!


Sing it, Gwen!

 

[SP33Demon]

Umm you just said that Philly was getting it's "awesome o line back" in week 10. Maybe McCoy gets a bump there. Plus Ingram is coming back to NO...PT's value goes down.

Feeling a bit one sided here...

Let's dig a little deeper. Thomas has scored 60pts this year vs 45pts for McCoy. McCoy's Yards after Contact sits at a paltry 1.87 behind scrubs like Asiata, Gerhart, and Donald Brown; PT = 2.4. PT has 199 Yards after Catch receiving vs 83 for McCoy and a 9.0 vs 4.9 per reception YAC. In PPR, PT simply dominates McCoy and McCoy can't make up for it in rushing attempt volume. Forced Missed Tackles - PT has almost as many (8 vs 11) in 75% LESS rushing attempts (93 vs 24). Furthermore, McCoy has already lost a fumble and been concussed to leave a game - problems that PT doesn't have.

Really McCoy's only saving grace so far is that he's a 3 Down back while PT is not (volume). Yet looking at other variables, the Saints have a higher powered offense and a top 10 O-Line, not to mention QB. These are the facts through 5 weeks.

Looking ahead (potential), yes McCoy could breakout once Mathis is back but who knows? That's pure speculation. You're betting that Mccoy will outscore PT in those 6 weeks vs 9 weeks with PT, who has already outperformed him by 25% (and growing). I will concede that McCoy is better IF he has a good week against a tough NYG defense Sunday, but all signs point to a lost RB who is dancing around like an indecisive fairy without his all-world O-Line to open up holes. That is what I see as an Eagles' fan.

 

[slayer202]

 

[Kelvrick]

Two questions for you guys.

Which of these RB's would you give up for the rest of the season. Jamaal Charles, Le'Veon Bell, DeMarco Murray.


Which WR should I go for (each on a separate team)
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb (Owner already confirmed willing for a 1for1 of my RB's.
Julio Jones
Dez Bryant

 

[SP33Demon]

Exactly slayer, Shady needs to gtfo. How is it that Sproles is averaging 6.9ypc behind the same O-Line that Shady is averaging 2.9?

Furthermore:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/08/lesean-disputes-claim-he-took-himself-out-of-game/

Eagles coach Chip Kelly has said on multiple occasions this week that, when the Rams game was in crunch time, running back LeSean McCoy took himself out.
...
Still, something’s not lining up with the explanations from Kelly and from McCoy. Kelly thinks McCoy tapped out in crunch time. McCoy thinks he was yanked. Either way, it’s not the kind of outcome that would be expected with a workhorse back whose cap number shoots to $11.95 million in 2015.

Ruh roh. Shady is a fucking hot mess and now he's trying to save face when Kelly called him out. What he needs to do is just stfu and actually perform up to his self proclaimed "best rb in the NFL".

 

[MetalMat]

You guys who were thinking about benching or benched Wayne/Hilton are crazy. Indy passes more than any other team and has arguably the best QB in the league at the helm. I may target Wayne in a trade for PPR league if people have this mindset.

Problem is that Luck has so many options to pass to that Wayne could come up with games like this. I still think Wayne is a rock solid WR2 in PPR going forward and that this is pretty much his floor, I doubt I will be benching him until the bye week unless Brian Quick continues to be awesome and Mohamed Sanu starts blowing up.

 

[SP33Demon]

Two questions for you guys.

Which of these RB's would you give up for the rest of the season. Jamaal Charles, Le'Veon Bell, DeMarco Murray.


Which WR should I go for (each on a separate team)
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb (Owner already confirmed willing for a 1for1 of my RB's.
Julio Jones
Dez Bryant

See if any will do Charles in 1 for 1 with any of the WRs aside from Cobb. If you're really hurting at WR, then I'd consider Cobb as well but he's likely due for regression. Digging deeper, KC has one of the worst Run Blocking lines in the league and Charles has already been injured whereas the other 2 are healthy in dominant offenses. Charles is averaging only 2.1 Yards After Contact per attempt for 31st best in the league (vs Kniles Davis = 2.5 with same OLine). In contrast, Bell and Murray are in the top 4 with over 2X the attempts so you know they're the real deal.

 

[vi edit]

Two questions for you guys.

Which of these RB's would you give up for the rest of the season. Jamaal Charles, Le'Veon Bell, DeMarco Murray.


Which WR should I go for (each on a separate team)
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb (Owner already confirmed willing for a 1for1 of my RB's.
Julio Jones
Dez Bryant

Charles for Julio

 

[MetalMat]

As far as Pierre Thomas, he *should* be a decent RB2 in PPR going forward but that is questionable. He was the biggest factor in the Saints pulling that W out their ass against the bucs last week and still looks just as good as he has ever been.

However Sean Payton will for whatever reason still involve Cadet and limit snaps to PT in random games, he has been doing this for a while now. I have no clue why he does this but he does. I don't expect Robinson to take any of PT's workload since he is more of a change of pace behind Ingram.

If Graham is limited and the Saints receivers continue to play poorly then Brees will be dinking and dunking to his backs and tight ends (Hill, Watson) quite a bit.

 

[NoCreativity]

Two questions for you guys.

Which of these RB's would you give up for the rest of the season. Jamaal Charles, Le'Veon Bell, DeMarco Murray.


Which WR should I go for (each on a separate team)
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb (Owner already confirmed willing for a 1for1 of my RB's.
Julio Jones
Dez Bryant

If you can play all three RBs you don't drop any. If you can only play two, I'd probably dump Charles and maybe Bell if no one bites on Charles and you really want to make a move. Murray is a force this year.

As WRs go:

1.JJ
2.Nelson
3. Bryant or Cobb

 

[Kelvrick]

See if any will do Charles in 1 for 1 with any of the WRs aside from Cobb. If you're really hurting at WR, then I'd consider Cobb as well but he's likely due for regression. Digging deeper, KC has one of the worst Run Blocking lines in the league and Charles has already been injured whereas the other 2 are healthy in dominant offenses. Charles is averaging only 2.1 Yards After Contact per attempt for 31st best in the league (vs Kniles Davis = 2.5 with same OLine). In contrast, Bell and Murray are in the top 4 with over 2X the attempts so you know they're the real deal.

Just to counter, cobb gets similar targets to Nelsen and IIRC, was the preferred target before he went out last year. KC isn't as good with the run blocking but is stronger in the run whereas Pitt has Big Ben and Brown and Dallas has Romo and Bryant. They have 2x the attempts, but realistically they also have 2x the games played compared to Charles.

Jones owner just declined a 1for1, syaing he is happy enough with his RB's to give up his #1 wr. Maybe I'm just over thinking things though.

Sent an offer of Kelvin Benjamin and Ahmad Bradshaw for Calvin Johnson.

 

[Kelvrick]

If you can play all three RBs you don't drop any. If you can only play two, I'd probably dump Charles and maybe Bell if no one bites on Charles and you really want to make a move. Murray is a force this year.

As WRs go:

1.JJ
2.Nelson
3. Bryant or Cobb

I created a monster team this year. I guess I just have a trade bug and maybe should just wait it out until Josh Gordon returns this year.

 

[MetalMat]

Need some advice. With Reggie Bush probably not playing my RB2 is Chris Johnson this week (yuck). This is a ppr league. Should I drop him for any of the following RBs available:

Jonathan Stweart @ Bengals
Jerick McKinnon vs. Lions
Dexter McCluster vs. Jaguars
Bobby Rainey vs. Ravens
Storm Johnson @ Titans
Antone Smith vs. Bears
Darrin Reaves @ Bengals
C.J. Anderson @ Jets
Roy Helu @ Cardinals

I'm taking a serious look at dropping Chris Johnson for Rainey or Antone Smith.

 

[vi edit]

Jonathan Stweart @ Bengals
Jerick McKinnon vs. Lions
Dexter McCluster vs. Jaguars
Bobby Rainey vs. Ravens
Storm Johnson @ Titans
Antone Smith vs. Bears
Darrin Reaves @ Bengals

Uhg. No clue. I'm sitting on Bush in one league, CJnoK's in another, and Toby Gimphart in both of them. I'm desperate for RB depth.

I picked up Stewart on the chance that he'll actually have a healthy game, but I doubt he plays this week. And even when healthy he's good for about 40 yards rushing, a catch or two for 10-15 yards and that's about it on any given week.

Rainey only has value when Martin is hurt and this week the Ravens are a bad matchup.

Storm (wee two weather references in row!) is good on a speculation further into the season.

I don't like of any of the options to be honest. They all are vomit inducing.



If I *had* to pick...Rainey this week. Stewart over the next couple (but their schedule is brutal), and long term Storm...but that's a *real* long shot.