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Miramonti

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man you guys are a bunch of day traders who know nothing about fundamental analysis. i'm just so happy that US markets are moved mostly by institutions and not retail guys like you.

Understanding fundamental analysis unfortunately does not mean one understands the markets. ;)

And I'd guess 90% of the market's volatility is moved by institutions and professional trading firms that are trading/arbing the short term, something very distantly related to fundamental analysis.

(imho)

/edit: and 90% is probably a very conservative number.
 
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Nerva

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US markets are mostly driven by high frequency trading. Buffett laughed that he and IBM togehter bought 10% of all the IBM sotck out there in 3-6 months time and not a single person noticed. People don't hold anymore. Or as I like to think .... HFT has increased volume so much that people can not see soemone accumulating anymore.

Anyway, I find cheap quality stocks and buy. I buy more on a dip or re-investigate. I just lost on FBN and basically realized I did not know enough about the company. Apparently their pension issues were underestimated by me. Sold at a 33% loss.

But I typically hold till stocks are just about properly valued.

Best investment this past year was SD.

Currently into USG. One of my largest holdings at 25% of portfolio and I have some bullsih LEAPs against them. I figure it is worth about $19/share.

To analyze a stock fully, you need to figure out revenue driver, cost driver, where the leverage is. Have to look at supply & demand, margins, macro issues. I doubt people look at any of that here.
 

mshan

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"For two months, starting with the lows in August, I took pains to tell everyone the market was unplayable as we saw ridiculous moves both up and down in a matter of days. Markets were experiencing gaps every day to the upside or downside. Good news, bad news...you name it. It was tough. It was tough because when markets moved up quick, people wanted to be in. When markets moved down quick, they wanted to be short. All the markets provided during that time was nausea.

October 4th provided a high volume washout day where I stated that typically, you are going to rally off of. The rally was stunning in time and price. Instead of the market slowly working through resistance, within 5 days and a couple of gaps, the markets were back at resistance. They then sat around for a few days...a wild few days with gaps and reversals. We saw things like housing and financials actually put in what looked like good bottoms and then we had E day...on October 27th in which Europe supposedly solved their problems. Technically, it was a strong volume gap above resistance. Fast forward to yesterday. What happens? A rogue Corzine makes leveraged bets...just like the numbskulls did in 08 and kills the company he took over just over a year ago...leading others to ponder whether others are in the same position. We hear again that all may not be well in the big E. Markets give back a ton on Monday and we now walk back into a huge gap to the downside today.

I would love to tell you there is a template or a manual for all this...but there isn't. The fast money bails on the first sign of a problem...and jumps back on the first sign of relief. If you put a crayon in the hand of your 2 year old and told him to draw a picture, that scribble would look like a lot of charts I am looking at as I watch the action today. European markets are moving up and down in one day enough for a normal year's gains or losses."

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/stocks/commentary/the-cuckoo-s-nest-1578737.html


I don't care for his political rants, but Kaultbaum's technical analysis (focusing on momentum growth stock breakouts) seems to be spot on (I think he uses the Investors Business Daily CANSLIM system, just at an institutional, rather than personal, level)

I also heard commentary elsewhere that most of that tremendous move in October was short-covering, presumably removing tail risk of a disorderly default in Greece.
 
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rcpratt

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For the RMBS crowd.

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The jury has reached a verdict in an antitrust case brought by Rambus (NasdaqGS:RMBS - NewsRMBS.O) against Micron (NasdaqGS:MU - NewsMU.O) and Hynix<000660.KS, according to a court spokeswoman.

The verdict is expected to be read shortly in a San Francisco courtroom.
 

Azurik

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Jan 23, 2002
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Woohoo and F*$& me at the same time, I couldn't sell my covered shares in time since option prices both ways are going crazy. Oh well, in that case, I just bought 5,000 more shares to make up for it.
 
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All right, I think I'm going to short MU...although why is its price up so much? you'd think people would get out if they stand to lose billions...?!
 
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To analyze a stock fully, you need to figure out revenue driver, cost driver, where the leverage is. Have to look at supply & demand, margins, macro issues. I doubt people look at any of that here.

I don't have a chacklist but I hit probably half of those for any stock.

People are to blind with macro to even know that USG is going global via licensing and in some cases they are moving manufacturing into countries. That lightweight wallboard they have now is going to provide a competitive advantage. Actually, it is already proving to do that.
 
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The-Noid

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I will update this post when news come across when stock is going to open. 1:55PM EST still no news of opening.

Thanks.
 

The-Noid

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anymore news as to WHEN it's going to be read? Will they wait for market close?

I wouldn't think so, unless the result is bad but even in that case you have limited ability to close your stock beyond "News" and that doesn't last indefinitely. There is dealer accumulated inventory from the shares traded early in the day that they would like to move to get back to a flat book into the close.

It would be EXTREMELY rare for a stock to halt midday and not open for at least 30 minutes. The only way is that the result doesn't get read until after the close.
 

Azurik

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Jan 23, 2002
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Verdict is about to be read... jurors are sitting down and judge is in his black robe with lawyers present. Good luck to everyone, including me. Regardless of outcome, I won't be able to post here so I apologize in advance... wayyy too many things to do on this.
 

TuxDave

Lifer
Oct 8, 2002
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Verdict is about to be read... jurors are sitting down and judge is in his black robe with lawyers present. Good luck to everyone, including me. Regardless of outcome, I won't be able to post here so I apologize in advance... wayyy too many things to do on this.

Good luck to you! I know this must be exciting!
 

Azurik

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Jan 23, 2002
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Bad news guys... they're reading it right now. Rambus didn't prove their case in price-fixing, more being read.