Official 2011 Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[crownjules]

My draft from last night. I was slot 7/12, ESPN standard no-PPR league. Parentheses is what round I took them. I'm pretty happy.

QB: Matt Ryan (5)
RB: Maurice-Jones Drew (1)
RB: Ryan Mathews (4)
RB/WR: BenJarvus Green-Ellis (6)
WR: Greg Jennings (2)
WR: Mike Wallace (3)
TE: Rob Gronkowski (11)
K: Nick Folk (15)
D/ST: Lions (14)

BE: Malcolm Floyd (7), Brandon Jacobs (8), Plaxico Buress (9), Matt Cassel (10), Hines Ward (12), Derrick Ward (13), Donald Brown (16)

 

[slayer202]

I really regret buying mojo last night, but I know for damn sure there is no way I would take him in the first round. 7th overall! NOOOOOOOOO!

Greg Jennings in the 2nd round is horrible. Wallace in the third is ok, not sure who was left. Mathews in the 4th, BAD. Matt Ryan in the 5th seems pretty early :/ BJGE, meh. I really hate this team, sorry man

 

[Imported]

My 20-league team..

QB: Philip Rivers (23)
WR: Calvin Johnson (18)
WR: Mile Sims-Walker (103)
RB: Daniel Thomas (58)
RB: Ben Tate (138)
TE: Jimmy Graham (98)
K: Neil Rackers (178)
DEF: New Orleans (143)
BN: Cedric Benson (63)
BN: Zach Miller (183)
BN: Danario Alexander (218)
BN: Alex Henery (223)
BN: Torrey Smith (258)
BN: Blaine Gabbert (263)

Some obvious reaches.. but thats the nature of having 20 teams.

 

[slayer202]

20, damn that's rough. that 3rd/4th round is scary. Hard to critique

 

[dbot]

12 team league

Michael Vick, Phi QB
Kevin Kolb, Ari QB

LeGarrette Blount, TB RB
Felix Jones, Dal RB
Marshawn Lynch, Sea RB
Ricky Williams, Bal RB

Dez Bryant, Dal WR
Wes Welker, NE WR
Chad Ochocinco, NE WR
Robert Meachem, NO WR
Anthony Armstrong, Wsh WR

Brandon Pettigrew, Det TE
Rob Gronkowski, NE TE

Patriots D/ST D/ST
Giants D/ST D/ST

David Buehler, Dal K

 

[Arik5405]

12 team league. Auction Draft.
QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, WR/RB/TE, K, DEF, BN x6
My team:

Budget $200
1. (6) Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB) $36
2. (11) Jamaal Charles (KC - RB) $43
3. (13) Michael Turner (Atl - RB) $34
4. (17) Michael Vick (Phi - QB) $29
5. (47) Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) $20
6. (63) Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) $13
7. (96) Braylon Edwards (SF - WR) $8
8. (99) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K) $1
9. (113) Visanthe Shiancoe (Min - TE) $3
10. (120) Steve Breaston (KC - WR) $3
11. (135) Chris Cooley (Was - TE) $1
12. (139) Hines Ward (Pit - WR) $2
13. (145) Roy Williams (Chi - WR) $2
14. (147) Fred Jackson (Buf - RB) $1
15. (159) Atlanta (Atl - DEF) $1
16. (162) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB) $3
Unused $0

I already dropped Shiancoe and picked up Lee Evans, my WRs are weak.

 

[Arik5405]

12 team league. Auction Draft.
QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, WR/RB/TE, K, DEF, BN x6
My fiances team:

Budget $200
1. (1) Arian Foster (Hou - RB) $50
2. (25) Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB) $36
3. (29) Matt Ryan (Atl - QB) $18
4. (40) Steven Jackson (StL - RB) $21
5. (69) Reggie Bush (Mia - RB) $10
6. (86) Jason Witten (Dal - TE) $16
7. (89) Joe Flacco (Bal - QB) $7
8. (94) Marques Colston (NO - WR) $15
9. (101) Adam Vinatieri (Ind - K) $3
10. (110) Sidney Rice (Sea - WR) $5
11. (123) Plaxico Burress (NYJ - WR) $6
12. (137) Benjamin Watson (Cle - TE) $1
13. (138) LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB) $4
14. (143) New England (NE - DEF) $2
15. (146) New York (NYG - DEF) $2
16. (153) Davone Bess (Mia - WR) $2
Unused $2

 

[ghost recon88]

Yahoo 12 team league, I had the 8th spot.

1. (8) Michael Turner RB
2. (17) Tom Brady QB
3. (32) Greg Jennings WR
4. (41) Dwayne Bowe WR
5. (56) BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB
6. (65) Percy Harvin WR
7. (80) Mark Ingram RB
8. (89) Cedric Benson RB
9. (104) Detroit DEF
10. (113) Marcedes Lewis TE
11. (128) Matt Cassel QB
12. (137) Michael Crabtree WR
13. (152) Ray Lewis LB
14. (161) Lance Moore WR
15. (176) David Akers K
16. (185) Benjamin Watson TE

 

[kstu]

12 team league. Auction Draft.
QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, WR/RB/TE, K, DEF, BN x6
My fiances team:

Budget $200
1. (1) Arian Foster (Hou - RB) $50
2. (25) Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB) $36
3. (29) Matt Ryan (Atl - QB) $18
4. (40) Steven Jackson (StL - RB) $21
5. (69) Reggie Bush (Mia - RB) $10
6. (86) Jason Witten (Dal - TE) $16
7. (89) Joe Flacco (Bal - QB) $7
8. (94) Marques Colston (NO - WR) $15
9. (101) Adam Vinatieri (Ind - K) $3
10. (110) Sidney Rice (Sea - WR) $5
11. (123) Plaxico Burress (NYJ - WR) $6
12. (137) Benjamin Watson (Cle - TE) $1
13. (138) LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB) $4
14. (143) New England (NE - DEF) $2
15. (146) New York (NYG - DEF) $2
16. (153) Davone Bess (Mia - WR) $2
Unused $2

need srs help at wr

 

[Gunslinger08]

Just drafted 4th in a 10 team league. Standard scoring, no PPR. Starters are QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, WR/RB flex, TE, K, DEF. I didn't pick up a kicker yet, so I need to figure out who to drop.

QB:
Matt Ryan

RB:
Chris Johnson
Felix Jones
Cedric Benson
Reggie Bush
James Starks
C.J. Spiller

WR:
Larry Fitzgerald
Reggie Wayne
Percy Harvin
Julio Jones
Plaxico Burress

TE:
Kellen Winslow

DEF:
Chicago Bears

So, how do you think I did, who do you think I should drop for a kicker, and who should start week 1?

I'm fairly happy with my team. I think the RB's I got after Chris Johnson are underrated, but I don't especially care for Spiller. Plaxico was a last round pick just because I think he's got something left in the tank. I don't have a backup QB yet, but there are still 12 starters available and I don't think Matt Ryan is a big injury or bust risk.

I think I'll probably drop Spiller to pick up a kicker and this will be my week 1 lineup:

QB: Matt Ryan
RB: Chris Johnson, Felix Jones
WR: Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne
WR/RB: Reggie Bush or Cedric Benson?
TE: Kellen Winslow
K: David Akers
DEF: Chicago Bears

 

[GregGreen]

So, how do you think I did, who do you think I should drop for a kicker, and who should start week 1?

I think I'll probably drop Spiller to pick up a kicker and this will be my week 1 lineup:

QB: Matt Ryan
RB: Chris Johnson, Felix Jones
WR: Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne
WR/RB: Reggie Bush or Cedric Benson?
TE: Kellen Winslow
K: David Akers
DEF: Chicago Bears

I would probably cut Spiller as well, but might consider Plax since you have the WR/RB instead of just a 3rd WR. I don't expect much from either of those two guys. Hell, comb the free agents, there is probably someone out there that is better than both those guys .

In terms of who to start, that is the what I would do as well. I would choose Bush over Benson. Bush is likely to get a lot of play (at least week 1) and Benson's numbers get worse every year it seems. His YPC was down last year and they are going to be facing even more 8 man fronts with Dalton instead of Palmer. Also, keep an eye on Starks for later in the year (or even week 1 if some news comes out before then) -- he could end up being a guy you would even want to start as your RB2.

 

[GregGreen]

Since everyone was posting their teams, I thought I'd put up a few of mine as well. All of them have some minor issues here or there (and all have different issues) but I'm pretty confident in them in comparison to the other squads. Any suggestions or comments are welcome. I won't include kicker or defenses on here -- they aren't that important to me and will largely be done by picking a new one off the waiver wire each week.

1st Team (12 Teams, Standard Scoring, Non-PPR, 1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1WR/RB, 1TE, 6 Bench)
QB: Matt Schaub
QB: Matt Cassel
WR: Greg Jennings
WR: Mike Wallace
WR: Santonio Holmes
WR: Mike Sims-Walker
WR: Braylon Edwards
RB: Chris Johnson
RB: Knowshon Moreno
RB: Fred Jackson
RB: Jonathan Stewart
RB: Kendall Hunter
TE: Zach Miller

I'm trying to trade Jennings for Fitzgerald here, but I don't know if the guy will accept. He autopicked him a few picks before Jennings but has told me he doesn't like Fitzgerald that much so we will see.

2nd Team (12 Teams, Standard Scoring, PPR, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 5 Bench)
QB: Tony Romo
WR: Roddy White
WR: Calvin Johnson
WR: Danny Amendola
WR: Davone Bess
WR: Andre Roberts
RB: DeAngelo Williams
RB: Beanie Wells
RB: Jahvid Best
RB: Fred Jackson
RB: Ben Tate (picked up off waiver wire after dropping Stevan Ridley)
TE: Antonio Gates

3rd Team (10 Teams, Standard Scoring, Non-PPR, 1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1WR/RB, 1TE, 7 Bench)
QB: Michael Vick
QB: Matt Stafford
WR: Roddy White
WR: Brandon Lloyd
WR: Miles Austin
WR: Austin Collie
WR: Braylon Edwards
WR: Danny Amendola
RB: Darren McFadden
RB: Jahvid Best
RB: Shonn Greene
RB: Joseph Addai
RB: Kendall Hunter
TE: Brandon Pettigrew

4th Team (12 Teams, Standard Scoring, Non-PPR, 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 6 Bench)
QB: Michael Vick
QB: Vince Young
WR: Brandon Lloyd
WR: Dwayne Bowe
WR: Austin Collie
WR: Braylon Wedwards
WR: Danny Amendola
RB: LeSean McCoy
RB: DeAngelo Williams
RB: Marshawn Lynch
RB: Daniel Thomas
RB: Kendall Hunter
TE: Ben Watson (Had Moeaki from KC, but he went to IR)

 

[slayer202]

in a non ppr, what do you guys think of

McFadden for Beanie Wells + Big Ben?

 

[dougp]

in a non ppr, what do you guys think of

McFadden for Beanie Wells + Big Ben?

who has DMC, you or the other guy? If you have DMC, who is your QB?

 

[KeithTalent]

Man, the auctions are all so different. Just completed the 8 team, 2 QB (and 3 starting WR) keeper draft, standard scoring (non-PPR); what do you guys think?

Ponderous
Budget $250
1. (5) Jamaal Charles(KC - RB) $48
2. (7) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR) $49
3. (8) Michael Vick (Phi - QB) $45
4. (13) Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB) $44
5. (18) Greg Jennings (GB - WR) $30
6. (43) DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB) $16
7. (80) Detroit (Det - DEF) $1
8. (88) Josh Brown (StL - K) $1
9. (96) Reggie Bush (Mia - RB) $3
10. (100) Greg Olsen (Car - TE) $2
11. (118) Malcom Floyd (SD - WR)$1
12. (121) Cedric Benson (Cin - RB) $2
13. (124) Colt McCoy (Cle - QB) $1
14. (127) Fred Jackson (Buf - RB) $2
15. (129) James Starks (GB - RB) $1
16. (133) Lance Moore (NO - WR) $1
17. (136) C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB) $2
18. (137) Mike Sims-Walker (StL - WR) $1

TE is kind of weak, but I feel ok elsewhere. Definitely went stars & scrubs. We'll see.

KT

 

[SunnyD]

in a non ppr, what do you guys think of

McFadden for Beanie Wells + Big Ben?

I assume you're giving up McFadden? Do it.

Oh wait, you'll ignore my advice especially since Ben is a TD machine and will be throwing them left and right this year, and Bush is Oakland's goalline TD vulture. But what do I know...

 

[slayer202]

who has DMC, you or the other guy? If you have DMC, who is your QB?

I assume you're giving up McFadden? Do it.

Oh wait, you'll ignore my advice especially since Ben is a TD machine and will be throwing them left and right this year, and Bush is Oakland's goalline TD vulture. But what do I know...

Team 1 has Tony Romo with Matt Cassel backing him up. Chris Johnson and McFadden as RBs, Maclin in the flex

Team 2 has Big Ben with Matt Ryan backing up him. Jamaal Charles and Mendenhall as RBs, Beanie in the flex


I think we can be more impartial without knowing which team is which ()

 

[slayer202]

uh oh, apparently peyton manning needs another "procedure" on his neck. out "indefinitely"

fuck

 

[SunnyD]

Team 1 has Tony Romo with Matt Cassel backing him up. Chris Johnson and McFadden as RBs, Maclin in the flex

Team 2 has Big Ben with Matt Ryan backing up him. Jamaal Charles and Mendenhall as RBs, Beanie in the flex


I think we can be more impartial without knowing which team is which ()

Jamaal Charles is worthless this year. Haley stated already that Charles will be getting LESS touches this year than last year. Who knows why?

IMHO, Beanie is a fucking HUGE downgrade from McFadden, who is going to have a monster year. Ben is also going to have a huge year, as the Steelers have committed to a pass-first offense (and with Ben at the helm, why the fuck not?). That leaves Mendenhall in a lurch, obviously. Romo will be lucky if he doesn't break yet another collar bone behind that very offensive line - pun intended.

All in all it looks like the trade would be "even" on paper. Better QB/Worse RB for Worse QB/Better RB.

 

[slayer202]

I'm the side trying to get McFadden there. I have him on my other 3 teams, why not. I don't mind giving up one of my two qbs who I value very similarly to upgrade beanie. I think the trade is even but i'm not sure it's with it for the guy that already has romo. We'll see. Do you have a source for that Charles/Haley touches info? Hadn't heard that one

 

[SunnyD]

I'm the side trying to get McFadden there. I have him on my other 3 teams, why not. I don't mind giving up one of my two qbs who I value very similarly to upgrade beanie. I think the trade is even but i'm not sure it's with it for the guy that already has romo. We'll see. Do you have a source for that Charles/Haley touches info? Hadn't heard that one

Here's one from a fantasy perspective.

And here's Haley's comment.

"We led the league in rushing,'' Haley said, "and all I ever hear is how we don't run the ball the right way because Jamaal's not getting it 25 times a game. It's anti-TEAM. The way fans looked at what we did on offense was so fantasy football driven. You know, the curse of the NFL -- the scroll on the bottom of the screen, with all the individual stats. Fortunately for us, Jamaal's such a good team player. He says, 'Coach, I get it. Whatever you want me to do, I'm here.'''

The Chief's backfield is kinda crowded with Charles, Jones and McCluster. From what I hear, Haley is going to try to get McCluster more into the running game this year (He was injured for a good portion of last season).

Pretty sure you can see why I'm not high on Charles now. From a PPR perspective, a high YPC is useless as well. Plus, I don't think the Chiefs will do nearly as well this season in general. They totally fell apart at the end of last season, and no one can seem to pin down why. Not even the coaches.

 

[slayer202]

I guess we can disagree here as well lol. Sure, he might be more risky than apete, but he's got the talent and ability to finish first overall, and he did pretty damn well last year with limited carries.

 

[SunnyD]

I guess we can disagree here as well lol. Sure, he might be more risky than apete, but he's got the talent and ability to finish first overall, and he did pretty damn well last year with limited carries.

(Please note, this is just an opinion)

See, this is your problem, slayer. You're looking at it from a PLAYER ONLY perspective. You really need to look at the whole team dynamic perspective. Yes, Charles has talent, I'm not disagreeing with that. But watching the preseason games, going by what the coach has said, and looking at all the offseason moves, collectively as a whole Jamaal Charles - barring any major shift in the team dynamic (injuries again) - is going to have a WORSE year than last year. Period.

This was my point about Cedric Benson from our league (no, I'm not trying to sell it anymore, just making a point). Yes, Benson is a between-the-tackles runner with a lower YPC average. But look at the team dynamic: Cinci is starting a rookie QB, a rookie WR, and a what - second year vet on the other side? They're going to carry 3 tight ends. And their backfield ISN'T a committee. Can you guess how the play calling in Cinci is going to go? More than that, Benson got in offseason trouble AGAIN. He's going to be playing to keep his NFL career. Watching the preseason games, Cinci still has enough talent on their o-line to move defenses. Why wouldn't they run it? They'd be stupid not to. After all, it's why Cinci made the playoffs two years ago.

You see the analysis there? It's not JUST about the player. You have to look past the names and realize player talent is only part of the puzzle.

That said, I'd much rather have McFadden on my team this year than Jamaal Charles. You're going to get more fantasy points with McFadden, period. You just have to look at the other side of the trade to see if it's "enough" for you. Given you have Matt Ryan as your "backup", I don't see what the problem would be. Ryan has a new #2 wideout and a solid O-Line. He's going to have a big year. Not quite as big as Ben will, but it'll be good enough for me to start him.

Just remember, "Talent" and "Ability" doesn't mean jack if it's not going to get used.

 

[slayer202]

We couldn't disagree more I guess. I haven't read one positive thing about Benson this preseason, everything is very negative. What I read about Charles is positive, aside from the obvious risk involved because of Haley. You can predict anything you want, but that doesn't mean it's going to play out like you think. Am I stupid to listen to the vast majority of the experts as opposed to you? So be it, I'll take that chance.

Here is rotoworld's update from september 1st, with a Haley comment

Jamaal Charles expressed no concern over his light preseason workload.
Charles has just six carries 16 yards heading into tonight's preseason finale, but he made it clear he's not injured in any form. And coach Todd Haley reiterated that he believes there's room for Charles to grow. "That's exciting when you see a guy do some of the things he did last year and then you're saying he could potentially be better, which I believe he can," Haley said. We're expecting around 20 total touches per game this season for Charles.

This year he will be the "starter" and thomas jones is going to be even shittier than last year.

Back from Jun 3

Coach Todd Haley suggested that Jamaal Charles will have a bigger workload in 2011, making it clear that the explosive back is under the spotlight to "take the next step."

Haley isn't putting a number on the backfield breakdown, but he does want Charles to be ready for more carries this year. Haley also revealed that Thomas Jones is slimming down, in part because his carries will go down after running on fumes late last season. Our early projections have Charles ranked comfortably at No. 4 among running backs, and there's a legit argument to be made for him to go first overall as the offensive focus in 2011.

And may 29

Jamaal Charles earned positive yardage on 89 percent of last season's runs, with nearly half of his carries going for at least five yards.

Charles can't be categorized as a boom-or-bust runner because he so rarely busts. He and Adrian Peterson were the two backs to finish with a positive Pro Football Focus "run rating" on over 45 percent of their plays. Charles made big plays on six percent of his runs compared to four percent for Peterson. Thomas Jones finished with the lowest run rating in the NFL, an ominous sign heading into his age-33 season. We fully expect Charles to touch the ball more consistently in 2011.

The dude can play. I think you look *too* much at the rest of the team. The way I see it, Charles will be just as good and probably better, and bowe isn't going to catch as many TDs as he did last year. Jones won't steal as many either.

And then you made a strange comment about YPC not being useful in ppr? I don't really understand that. It matters equally in non ppr and ppr. The higher YPC means he can do his damage with less work, if needed.


Benson on the other hand will get his carries, sure. He'll get TDs, but with how shitty the bengals will be, who knows how many. He will get a very vanilla "x" amounts of points a game and that's that. He's barely a starting RB in a 12 team ppr.

 

[SunnyD]

Thus is the game of Fantasy Football. I give up, you're right, I'm wrong. So be it.

I have a question for you... why do you bother "asking" for advice if you're not willing to even consider listening to it? Wait wait, don't bother answering that. Rhetorical question, since I know the answer will just be thrown back in my face as "You don't know shit about shit."