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Official 2011-2012 NBA Playoffs Thread

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The triple threat that BDiddy experienced (ACL, MCL, patella tendon) is career threatening and has nothing to do with his on court performance. The Knicks finished the year strong and have good prospects going forward.

That strong finish was when they featured Melo and Lin was injured for much of the stretch. Go figure!
 
The triple threat that BDiddy experienced (ACL, MCL, patella tendon) is career threatening and has nothing to do with his on court performance. The Knicks finished the year strong and have good prospects going forward.

That strong finish was when they featured Melo and Lin was injured for much of the stretch. Go figure!

Good prospects going forward? I'll have to disagree sir. Maybe if they could get rid of Melo and Amare. Maybe then. I could roll with a Lin, Shumpert, Chandler core.
 
watson now getting death threats 😀 pathetic bulls fans.

hey hendrix, another nice call on baron davis 😀😀😀 . too bad he was completely useless and absolute trash down the stretch as a starter, as i told you months ago. melo / JR iso ball flamed out in craptacular fashion as well. so predictable.

looks like another easy stroll to the finals for the heat, and an easy championship. that is, unless lebron gifts it to the other team like last year.

Gifts it? lol. Dirk took them to school.

And good luck with the western conf champ. Thunder and Spurs are strong.
 
baron hasn't been healthy for years. but you were dumb enough to claim he was the solution to new york's backcourt problem before lin arrived. another wrong call, as even with the starting gig, baron was atrocious down the stretch and benched in most 4th quarters by woodson. LOL! this was when melo found his shot down the stretch, and smith took over PG duties, by the way.

the "strong finish" was a gameplan of melo-ball and novak/smith jacking up 3s, all of which were non existant when the heat shut down melo for the first 3 games by throwing battier and james at him at every opportunity, along with continuously sticking a man on novak so he couldn't even get a shot off.

/inc hendrix posting about how "melo doesn't get shut down, and only has bad games" LOL! exposed.
 
Gifts it? lol. Dirk took them to school.

And good luck with the western conf champ. Thunder and Spurs are strong.

no doubt, the heat gifted it. even deshawn called out lebron for "mentally checking out". dirk was dirk, but lebron didn't do jack down the stretch in any of those games.

edit: not sure why you're telling me "good luck with the western conf." i'm not rooting for any team at this point. though it's about time lebron stepped up and delivered.
 
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Good prospects going forward? I'll have to disagree sir. Maybe if they could get rid of Melo and Amare. Maybe then. I could roll with a Lin, Shumpert, Chandler core.

amare averaging 8-9 shots a game. can't post up. with terrible defense. with bad knees. with melo refusing to play defense most of the time and orchestrating mutinies when the offense doesn't run through him :biggrin:

with tyson chandler calling out melo at the end of the heat series about having to "elevate other teammates".

it's fun to watch!
 
I take it you didn't watch the series then. Melo proved he is right up there with Durant as the most lethal scorer in the world.

why did you completely duck the baron davis callout? duck duck duck.

the heat threw double teams at melo the first 3 games, and look at the result. they backed off the final 2, and melo went to work, but it was predictable and the entire knick offense stood around. why else would tyson call him out?
 
Bdiddy played well and his return from injury coincided with their 18-6 finish. Woodson pretty much doubled his minutes during that stretch. The way the Knicks are built they really really need a good PG who can distribute the ball and hit open shots. They don't need someone who gets into the lane, as it is already crowded with Melo, STAT and Chandler.

Without major roster changes, the Knicks will always play as well or as poorly as their PGs. That is true regardless of what Tyson thinks, his amazing 6 and 9 averages for the series notwithstanding.
 
Bdiddy played well and his return from injury coincided with their 18-6 finish.

baron had already returned from injury well before woodson was head coach. LOL at you giving baron any credit for that run. he was atrocious, both with the eye test and statistics.

Woodson pretty much doubled his minutes during that stretch. The way the Knicks are built they really really need a good PG who can distribute the ball and hit open shots. They don't need someone who gets into the lane, as it is already crowded with Melo, STAT and Chandler.

baron couldn't do any of those 3, hence the benching in the final month. you might be an idiot, but at least you have more guts than lebron showed in the finals. you REALLY stuck your neck out for that baron call.

Without major roster changes, the Knicks will always play as well or as poorly as their PGs. That is true regardless of what Tyson thinks, his amazing 6 and 9 averages for the series notwithstanding.

yeah, amare getting 8 shot attempts compared to melo's 30 was the point guard's fault! even i won't throw that on baron. LOL! tyson is a proven winner and leader. what he thinks about melo's piss poor play holds more weight than your par for the course atrocious analysis.
 
baron had already returned from injury well before woodson was head coach. LOL at you giving baron any credit for that run. he was atrocious, both with the eye test and statistics.

Read what I said, his minutes doubled when they Woodson took over and they went on that hot streak. I already covered that. Try and dispute it but the numbers are true.

yeah, amare getting 8 shot attempts compared to melo's 30 was the point guard's fault! even i won't throw that on baron. LOL! tyson is a proven winner and leader. what he thinks about melo's piss poor play holds more weight than your par for the course atrocious analysis.

Melo should be getting more shots than STAT, he is more efficient especially against a defense that doesn't really allow for easy shots.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/can-anthony-lead-knicks-to-title
 
Read what I said, his minutes doubled when they Woodson took over and they went on that hot streak. I already covered that. Try and dispute it but the numbers are true.

baron's minutes doubled, and so what? he played like dog shit.
try and dispute his atrocious numbers. knicks fans were calling for starbury to return 😀. the knicks were rolling despite baron's shit play.

starting march 21st - baron's points/assists/turnovers:

vs PHI: 5/1/3
vs TOR: 5/8/4
vs DET: 5/2/4
vs MIL: 13/7/9
vs ORL: 11/6/2
vs ATL: 4/4/4
vs CLE: 6/5/1
vs IND : 6/3/0
vs ORL: 5/5/1
vs CHI: 2/4/1
vs CHI: 8/6/4
vs MIL: 5/3/5
vs WAS: 18/2/3
vs MIA: 3/4/5
vs BOS: 0/1/2
vs ATL: 13/10/4
vs LAC: 12/1/1

These stats aren't even worthy of the D-League 😀 It certainly explains why knicks fans/blogs were calling on bibby to replace baron. try and dispute it but the numbers are true.


Melo should be getting more shots than STAT, he is more efficient especially against a defense that doesn't really allow for easy shots.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/can-anthony-lead-knicks-to-title

tyson certainly changed his mind after that beatdown with his "leadership" and "elevating teammates" comments, didn't he? 😀 even barkley and shaq of all piss poor analysts called out anthony for not getting anyone else involved. while melo should be getting more shots than amare, there's no possible way you can justify a 3 to 1 shot attempt differential. then again, you are a disingenuous liar who won't admit baron has been ineffective and played like dogshit.
 
Keep ducking. You said he had nothing to do with the 18-24 start followed by the 18-6 finish. I claimed that turnaround happened when Woodson took over and immediately gave Davis about twice the minutes as he was getting before. That is true. It simply is.

I said the Knicks should give Davis more minutes and run the offense through Melo back when Linsanity was popular. Woodson came in and did just that and they played .750 ball. It isn't a huge revelation, and I nor Woodson deserve some accolade for what is simply the painfully obvious thing to do given the roster. Obvious to most people, though not all evidently.

Was he dropping 20-10 a night? No. He wasn't playing 35 minutes a night to begin with, nor did he need to put up those kinds of stats for the Knicks to be successful. What were his +/- numbers during that stretch?

Melo isn't a facilitator. It isn't up to him to get STAT shots. If he were working on reducing his shots in favor of getting STAT shots, he isn't being as effective as he can be. Melo the scorer is better and more valuable than Melo the distributor. Just like Durant, he shouldn't waste his time limiting his results to play a role he isn't suited for.
 
I'm really liking the body language of the 76ers tonight. They are playing with confidence but not being careless. Anytime one of them hits the deck, three of them come running to help them up.

During the halftime show the guys were saying that the Celtics weren't playing well but were still keeping it close. I guess they missed that stretch where the 76ers missed 12 shots in a row so they haven't really been on fire either.
 
Keep ducking. You said he had nothing to do with the 18-24 start followed by the 18-6 finish. I claimed that turnaround happened when Woodson took over and immediately gave Davis about twice the minutes as he was getting before. That is true. It simply is.

there's been no ducking on my part. though you've been continually ducking for months from other threads 😀. baron played like dog shit the entire season. the stats prove it, woodson benching davis in all 4th quarters proved it, knicks nation clamoring for bibby and stephon flippin' marbury to return proved it. the turnaround had absolutely nothing to do with baron "geo metro" davis. you're a liar and a pussy who doesn't have the guts to admit that. 😀😀😀 must be the 50th time i've stated this: you have zero credibility and have the worst analytical ability of anyone on this board behind dougp. the turnaround occurred solely because the knicks started playing defense, along with more playing time for novak and JR Smith. Lin and melo controlling the offense took them to a 6-1 record at the start of woodson's tenure, with lin dominating big road wins against the pacers (twice) and 76ers.

let's post this one more time because you ducked baron's shit play the first 100 times:

starting march 21st - baron's points/assists/turnovers:

vs PHI: 5/1/3
vs TOR: 5/8/4
vs DET: 5/2/4
vs MIL: 13/7/9
vs ORL: 11/6/2
vs ATL: 4/4/4
vs CLE: 6/5/1
vs IND : 6/3/0
vs ORL: 5/5/1
vs CHI: 2/4/1
vs CHI: 8/6/4
vs MIL: 5/3/5
vs WAS: 18/2/3
vs MIA: 3/4/5
vs BOS: 0/1/2
vs ATL: 13/10/4
vs LAC: 12/1/1

These stats aren't even worthy of the D-League 😀 It certainly explains why knicks fans/blogs were calling on bibby to replace baron. try and dispute it but the numbers are true.

I said the Knicks should give Davis more minutes and run the offense through Melo back when Linsanity was popular. Woodson came in and did just that and they played .750 ball. It isn't a huge revelation, and I nor Woodson deserve some accolade for what is simply the painfully obvious thing to do given the roster. Obvious to most people, though not all evidently.

baron doesn't even deserve 10 minutes a game, and woodson caught on by benching him in all 4th quarters the final month for playing like dog shit. the only reason he received more than 10 a game was due to lin's injury. LOL at you citing ".750 ball" when dog shit baron had absolutely nothing to do with those wins. here's lin and melo under woodson: .860 winning percentage. clearly, lin was the better choice using your ridiculous methodology. and LOL at you still advocating baron force feeding melo ball, which got them blown out of 3 straight playoff games until the heat took it down a notch in game 4. no need to even mention baron's invisibility there. hahaha.


Was he dropping 20-10 a night? No. He wasn't playing 35 minutes a night to begin with, nor did he need to put up those kinds of stats for the Knicks to be successful. What were his +/- numbers during that stretch?

baron couldn't play 35 minutes a game if his life depended on it. he's a bench warmer at best this point in his career. why you couldn't see that from the start of the season speaks for your intelligence. +/- means absolutely nothing as i pointed out in this thread, which you've ducked for almost a month now: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33354779&postcount=1214


Melo isn't a facilitator. It isn't up to him to get STAT shots. If he were working on reducing his shots in favor of getting STAT shots, he isn't being as effective as he can be. Melo the scorer is better and more valuable than Melo the distributor. Just like Durant, he shouldn't waste his time limiting his results to play a role he isn't suited for.

and that's the problem. melo is a one dimensional "scorer" that is easily shut down with good defenders on him or when a double team is thrown at him. the heat did both the first 3 games, and completely took him out of his game. it's no coincidence the hottest player in the last month of the season got shut down during this time. i didn't see as many doubles and frontings in games 4, and 5, which is when melo finally made a contribution. he had absolutely no business quitting/orchestrating a mutiny or demanding the ball run through him. that, plus the fact he's out of shape and had woodson call him out on it. you got your wish with baron davis starting, and look where that got the knicks. 3 straight blowouts with baron doing jack shit as usual. what's the point of having $20 mill amare on the floor when baron or melo won't even give him touches? LOL! one of your boys gets the blame, but nobody here is expecting you to man up to it.
 
you're still ducking.

Look, I'll simplify it for you. I said in the Linsanity thread that the Knicks would be best served by giving BDiddy more minutes and running the offense through Melo. They were 18-24 not doing that, then went 18-6 when Woodson took over and made exactly those changes.

You refuse to look up or even accept the validity of +/- numbers for Davis. You think they are meaningless. Ok, then the only discussion you and I can have over the matter is whether or not the Knicks were more successful when they did the things I prescribed. To me those win/loss numbers are clear.

If you believe there were other factors that contributed to the drastic change, I would love to hear it. You can try and argue correlation versus causation, but it seems that giving Melo the ball and giving Davis more minutes were a huge cause for the resurgence under Woodson.
 
I'm watching, great game... I am a big time laker hater...

Game is close now but we all know what's gonna happen at the end... Kobe's 3 point barrage... there's not way laker's gonna loose...
 
GG Denver. Im a big time Homer, can't deny that. But I think any honest Laker fan can admit that Pau and AB need to step it up or it will be a complete slaughter by OKC........

Don't dismiss Denver just because it went to game 7. Yes they have no "superstar", but they were the highest scoring team in the league.
 
I'm watching, great game... I am a big time laker hater...

Game is close now but we all know what's gonna happen at the end... Kobe's 3 point barrage... there's not way laker's gonna loose...

Kobe made one 3 that just set the tone for the closer. Funny seeing Justin Timberlake go crazy and pat Kobe on the back.

That being said, now that's how Gasol needs to be playing every game!
 
I hope the Southern US at least buys SoCal dinner before...uhhh...making love to us from behind in round 2! (that is if Clips dont get beat out tomorrow, which seams likely)
 
Look, I'll simplify it for you. I said in the Linsanity thread that the Knicks would be best served by giving BDiddy more minutes and running the offense through Melo. They were 18-24 not doing that, then went 18-6 when Woodson took over and made exactly those changes.

and as pointed out to you before, which you've repeatedly ducked, melo ball was a lottery bound 7-16 before lin took it away from him. 😀 running the offense through melo had zero to do with the 18-6 record, as Lin was still running the offense going 6-1 at the start of woodson's tenure. funny how you've once again repeatedly ducked such a basic fact. what woodson did provide was a solid defensive foundation, such as giving shumpert & smith more time, along with completely benching bibby,walker, and douglass. he also forced melo to begin playing average defense, who inexcusably quit under danphoney. a proven quitter indeed. at the end of the season, there were stats indicating the knicks were giving up 10 points less per game under woodson. /inc hendrixfan arguing defense doesn't matter.

You refuse to look up or even accept the validity of +/- numbers for Davis. You think they are meaningless. Ok, then the only discussion you and I can have over the matter is whether or not the Knicks were more successful when they did the things I prescribed. To me those win/loss numbers are clear.

+/- are highly flawed. you have repeatedly cherry picked games where baron had better +/- numbers against terrible second units. since you've repeatedly ducked and chickened out of acknowledging baron's dog shit games when he had the starting gig (see statistics i posted above where you've predictably ducked), let's play your ridiculous game of citing only +/- statistics. open wide.

taken several weeks ago:

jeremylinplusminus.png



better yet, end of year statistics:


lin outplaying baron, and it's not even close.
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplay...summary&sortnumber=94&sortorder=DESC&team=NYK

again with more +/- stats, it's not even close. Lin > baron by a landslide. that's just downright embarrassing for your idiotic baron call LOL! 😀
http://www.82games.com/1112/1112NYK1.HTM


If you believe there were other factors that contributed to the drastic change, I would love to hear it. You can try and argue correlation versus causation, but it seems that giving Melo the ball and giving Davis more minutes were a huge cause for the resurgence under Woodson.

"other factors" have been pointed out numerous times. you've just chosen to duck and refuse to acknowledge them because you are a liar and a coward.

see here for "other factors" hendrixfan has ducked since last month 😀😀
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33354779&postcount=1214

here's a copy and paste of baron's dog shit games again, just because we all enjoy watching hendrix continually duck his failure of a call:

starting march 21st - baron's points/assists/turnovers:

vs PHI: 5/1/3
vs TOR: 5/8/4
vs DET: 5/2/4
vs MIL: 13/7/9
vs ORL: 11/6/2
vs ATL: 4/4/4
vs CLE: 6/5/1
vs IND : 6/3/0
vs ORL: 5/5/1
vs CHI: 2/4/1
vs CHI: 8/6/4
vs MIL: 5/3/5
vs WAS: 18/2/3
vs MIA: 3/4/5
vs BOS: 0/1/2
vs ATL: 13/10/4
vs LAC: 12/1/1

These stats aren't even worthy of the D-League 😀 It certainly explains why knicks fans/blogs were calling on bibby to replace baron. try and dispute it but the numbers are true.
 
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