*Official* #2 MICHIGAN WOLVERINES vs #1 OHIO ST BUCKEYES thread

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Yes, I would shut OSU out of the National Title game. If you can't manage to win your conference, you are undeserving of a shot a the National title.

Why? Why SHOULDN'T the second best team in the country get a shot at the title just because they are in the same conference as the best team in the country? In other sports those teams would meet in the playoffs. Unfortunately college football doesn't have playoffs.

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And yes, if OSU had lost that game on their HOME field I would have said they should be out of the NC. If you can't win a game against a team at home why should you get a chance to take a mulligan and play them again on a neutral field?

You're considering the home field advantage for OSU, but you won't give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and say they might have pulled it off if there weren't 100,000 people in the stands rooting against them?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Yes, I would shut OSU out of the National Title game. If you can't manage to win your conference, you are undeserving of a shot a the National title.

Why? Why SHOULDN'T the second best team in the country get a shot at the title just because they are in the same conference as the best team in the country? In other sports those teams would meet in the playoffs. Unfortunately college football doesn't have playoffs.

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And yes, if OSU had lost that game on their HOME field I would have said they should be out of the NC. If you can't win a game against a team at home why should you get a chance to take a mulligan and play them again on a neutral field?

You're considering the home field advantage for OSU, but you won't give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and say they might have pulled it off if there weren't 100,000 people rooting against them?

The fact that we're even discussing who was home and away in this game to determine if a team should be #1, #2, in the NC, etc. is yet another sad statement about the credibility of college football.

I'm done with this discussion because frankly it just pisses me off. I'm not pissed at anyone in this thread. I'm just ticked off that we even need these debates over such an opinonated system designed to generate the greatest $$$$ amount possible. Oh wait, it is because the students need to study.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Yes, I would shut OSU out of the National Title game. If you can't manage to win your conference, you are undeserving of a shot a the National title.

Why? Why SHOULDN'T the second best team in the country get a shot at the title just because they are in the same conference as the best team in the country? In other sports those teams would meet in the playoffs. Unfortunately college football doesn't have playoffs.

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And yes, if OSU had lost that game on their HOME field I would have said they should be out of the NC. If you can't win a game against a team at home why should you get a chance to take a mulligan and play them again on a neutral field?

You're considering the home field advantage for OSU, but you won't give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and say they might have pulled it off if there weren't 100,000 people rooting against them?

The fact that we're even discussing who was home and away in this game to determine if a team should be #1, #2, in the NC, etc. is yet another sad statement about the credibility of college football.

I'm done with this discussion because frankly it just pisses me off. I'm not pissed at anyone in this thread. I'm just ticked off that we even need these debates over such an opinonated system designed to generate the greatest $$$$ amount possible. Oh wait, it is because the students need to study.

Very good point... the system sucks.

It would be cool if the "computers" could compute the fact that the Wolverines D failed to board the bus to the Horseshoe...

Hate to say it but that alone should take them out of the picture (but it won't).

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Personally, I'd give Arkansas the nod if they run the table. They've beaten (ranked at the time): #2 Auburn, #13 Tennessee, #9 LSU(next week), and #4 Florida(SEC title game).

In all honesty, coming from an obvious Arkansas fan, I think OSU would very likely beat Arkansas. Arkansas is much improved this year, but their pass defense is still very suspect. Our corners get beat too often and even when they are in position they are often too short compared to the tall wide receivers many teams have. That said, I wasn't the least bit impressed with OSU or UM's defenses. I think they are overrated and both proved to be very weak against the run, which Arkansas does very well. I just don't think Arkansas could keep up offensively with OSU unless they could shorten the game by grinding out long time consuming drives running the ball. But I'd still like that to be proven on the field, a Michigan/OSU rematch would prove nothing.

I agree as well (coming from a Razorback fan as well)..

Arkansas's agressive "press" man coverage defense leaves them suspectable to the deep ball at times. Granted, they've improved this year from last year, they can still be beat in the air.

Yeah I would love to see Ark vs OSU shootout, winner takes all. I doubt OSU could stop Ark's run after seeing what Hart did to them, and doubtful Ark can stop OSU's dink and dunk passing (nobody in the nation can). It would be exciting.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I honestly don't care if Michigan is considered by the majority to be better than the rest of the 1-loss teams. Why? Because I've already watched the Michigan/OSU game. I don't want to watch it again. IMHO the national championship should be between two teams from two different conferences and both should be conference champions.

Of course my opinion on this would change if they had an 8 team playoff with reps from the 6 majors and 2 wild cards (so teams like Boise State and Michigan could get a shot).

There are 4 wild cards (5 BCS Bowls).
Bleh, Maisel projecting WVU to be in the Sugar now vs Arkansas. And Schlabach thinks Oklahoma will get an at large bid over WVU? ROFL.

Amazing that Maisel thinks the Rose will want to see a Michigan/Notre LAME rematch. That would ensure another 14 straight bowls that they lose, and nobody would watch that crap except ND fanboys.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2627844

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Very good point... the system sucks.

It would be cool if the "computers" could compute the fact that the Wolverines D failed to board the bus to the Horseshoe...

Hate to say it but that alone should take them out of the picture (but it won't).

The system sucks, but good reason (aside from not having playoffs, which is a not so good reason). A football season just isn't long enough to allow for enough mixing between teams to get a really good idea of which teams are the best. There's just too little room for error... one loss is one loss too many. One blocked pass on a two point conversion could keep USC out of the national championship. Louisville is where they are because someone jumped offsides and gave Rutgers a second chance at a field goal (although you could say the guy jumping offsides distracted the kicker). There's really no way to fix that.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Yes, I would shut OSU out of the National Title game. If you can't manage to win your conference, you are undeserving of a shot a the National title.

Why? Why SHOULDN'T the second best team in the country get a shot at the title just because they are in the same conference as the best team in the country? In other sports those teams would meet in the playoffs. Unfortunately college football doesn't have playoffs.

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And yes, if OSU had lost that game on their HOME field I would have said they should be out of the NC. If you can't win a game against a team at home why should you get a chance to take a mulligan and play them again on a neutral field?

You're considering the home field advantage for OSU, but you won't give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and say they might have pulled it off if there weren't 100,000 people rooting against them?

The fact that we're even discussing who was home and away in this game to determine if a team should be #1, #2, in the NC, etc. is yet another sad statement about the credibility of college football.

I'm done with this discussion because frankly it just pisses me off. I'm not pissed at anyone in this thread. I'm just ticked off that we even need these debates over such an opinonated system designed to generate the greatest $$$$ amount possible. Oh wait, it is because the students need to study.

These debates are part of what make college football great.