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Officer kills man through car door in his driveway

JEDIYoda

Lifer
So here we go again!! This is not shocking at all! It is beginning to be par for the course......especially the Police lying to cover their asses!! As in and I quote --
Edgefield County deputies who joined in the chase reported that Craven ran up to Satterwhite's parked car and fired several shots into the driver's side door, telling the other officers that Satterwhite tried to grab his gun.

What is troubling here is that Police can legally lie to the general public to get a conviction or to try to get you to confess to something you did not do...yet it is against the law for Joe Blow to lie to the Police??? What gives....
Also what`s this crap I fired at this unarmed elderly balck man because he tried to grab my gun????hmmmmmm

So let me ask you this....what would happen is there was a law that said -- no white people can become Policemen???

http://news.yahoo.com/sc-cop-indicted-shooting-shrouded-mystery-083958497.html

NORTH AUGUSTA, S.C. (AP) — Ernest Satterwhite was a laid-back former mechanic with a habit of ignoring police officers who tried to pull him over — an act of defiance that ultimately got him killed.

The 68-year-old black great-grandfather was shot to death after a slow-speed chase as he parked in his own driveway, by a 25-year-old white police officer who repeatedly fired through the driver's side door.

Investigators determined that North Augusta Public Safety Officer Justin Craven broke the law. A prosecutor, in a rare action against a police officer, sought to charge him with voluntary manslaughter, punishable by up to 30 years in prison. But the grand jury disagreed, indicting him on a misdemeanor.

The debate over how police use force against unarmed people has become a national issue since an unarmed 18-year-old black man was shot to death in August by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, where unrest still lingers.


But most police shootings make only local headlines, and just for a day or two. The refusal of authorities to release public information about these on-duty actions by taxpayer-paid officials is a big reason why. As with many such killings, Satterwhite's death in February remains shrouded in mystery.

Video can make a difference: South Carolina gained the national spotlight last week after a dashboard camera showed how in just a few seconds Trooper Sean Groubert went from asking motorist Levar Jones for his license for a supposed seat belt violation, to shooting at him repeatedly without provocation, even as Jones put his hands in the air. Jones was hit once and is recovering.

State Public Safety Director Leroy Smith called that shooting "disturbing," and Groubert was promptly fired and charged with felony assault.

Sometimes, the video can exonerate officers: In August, a South Carolina prosecutor refused to file criminal charges against a York County deputy who wounded a 70-year-old man after mistaking his cane for a shotgun during an after-dark traffic stop. Using video, the sheriff showed how the cane's shaft could be mistaken for a gun barrel in the dim light.

So far, 35 people were shot by police in South Carolina this year; 16 were killed. The state is on pace to surpass last year's total of 42 people shot by police.

In Satterwhite's case, prosecutors won't say why they sought a felony charge against Craven, who chased Satterwhite for 9 miles, beyond city limits and into Edgefield County.

Experts say it's the first time an officer was charged in a fatal shooting in roughly a decade. But the grand jury opted for "misconduct in office," a charge used for sheriffs who make inmates do their personal work, or officers who ask for bribes. Their single-page indictment, returned in August, contains no details other than accusing Craven of "using excessive force and failing to follow and use proper procedures."

Black leaders were astonished that an officially unjustified shooting of an unarmed man should merit such a light charge.

"It diminishes the nature of the violation — of the death. This man's life is only worth a misdemeanor?" said state Rep. Joe Neal, a Democrat who has spent decades speaking out against racism in law enforcement and demanding accountability through data and police cameras.

Neal, who is black, also wants authorities to release evidence more quickly in police-involved shootings. Authorities often say doing so could taint potential jurors. Neal says that doesn't give people enough credit.

The State Law Enforcement Division denied requests filed by The Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act to learn what evidence was gathered against Craven. Solicitor Donnie Myers, who is handling the case, didn't return phone calls. North Augusta Police, the Edgefield County Sheriff's Office and Craven's lawyer, Jack Swerling, declined to comment.

The few details released raised concerns among law enforcement experts. In the likely 10 to 15 minutes he trailed Satterwhite, Craven should have had time to learn he was headed home and had no violent incidents on his criminal record, said University of South Carolina criminology professor Geoffrey Alpert.

Police records show Satterwhite had been arrested more than a dozen times for traffic violations, most of them for driving under suspension or under the influence. Most of the charges led to convictions. He also was charged at least three times for failing to stop as officers tried to pull him over. But his record shows no evidence he ever physically fought with an officer.

Edgefield County deputies who joined in the chase reported that Craven ran up to Satterwhite's parked car and fired several shots into the driver's side door, telling the other officers that Satterwhite tried to grab his gun. The other officers couldn't get Satterwhite's door open, so they broke the passenger side window, unlocked that door and dragged him out.

"Why would he run up to the car like that?" asked Alpert. "Why would he put himself in a situation to use deadly force? Why would he put his gun close enough for him to grab it?"


Satterwhite's family then sued the North Augusta Department of Public Safety, Edgefield County and its sheriff's office.

The lawsuit alleges Craven ignored the Edgefield deputies' orders to stop and let them manage the chase when it entered their county, about 2 miles from Satterwhite's home. It claims Satterwhite never tried to grab the officer's gun when Craven fired five times, hitting him with four bullets — two in the chest.

The family says the officers yanked the mortally wounded man out of the car, restrained him and left him on the ground unattended until paramedics arrived.

Their lawyer, Carter Elliott, hopes to force authorities to release any video and other evidence.

North Augusta's Public Safety Department has refused to release any details about Craven's history. City officials didn't make him available for interviews, and he didn't respond to emails.

Police agencies hurt their own credibility when they withhold information, allowing rumors and speculation to fill the void, Alpert said.

"They work for us — the public," Alpert said. "You need to put as much accurate information out there as you can to get in front of the issue and create your own story."
 
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Ernest Satterwhite was a laid-back former mechanic with a habit of ignoring police officers who tried to pull him over — an act of defiance that ultimately got him killed.

I still can't figure out how it is perfectly OK to ignore / resist the police in some people's minds. The outcome is rather well known; you will probably get the shit beaten out of you and/or killed.

Yes, the police are lunatics,.. so, what now,.. you will give them a reason to turn on to you?

Why?

What could you possibly gain from aggravating a person who will take your life,.. AND try to make it look like it is your fault afterwards? Are these people seeking martyrdom?

Go ahead and turn this onto the cops (let us see how and when you'll get your perfect police officers who have infinite patience, can dodge bullets and safely disarm someone who is threat to people,...), but a good portion of these situations comes from the victim's refusal to defuse the situation.
 
But the grand jury disagreed, indicting him on a misdemeanor.
This is my 2nd year on my county's grand jury (next door to Edgefield County) We only get to true bill or no bill. Not assign a charge.
 
Go ahead and turn this onto the cops (let us see how and when you'll get your perfect police officers who have infinite patience, can dodge bullets and safely disarm someone who is threat to people,...), but a good portion of these situations comes from the victim's refusal to defuse the situation.

Yet as was posted in the story -- The few details released raised concerns among law enforcement experts. In the likely 10 to 15 minutes he trailed Satterwhite, Craven should have had time to learn he was headed home and had no violent incidents on his criminal record, said University of South Carolina criminology professor Geoffrey Alpert.

Police records show Satterwhite had been arrested more than a dozen times for traffic violations, most of them for driving under suspension or under the influence. Most of the charges led to convictions. He also was charged at least three times for failing to stop as officers tried to pull him over. But his record shows no evidence he ever physically fought with an officer.

Edgefield County deputies who joined in the chase reported that Craven ran up to Satterwhite's parked car and fired several shots into the driver's side door, telling the other officers that Satterwhite tried to grab his gun. The other officers couldn't get Satterwhite's door open, so they broke the passenger side window, unlocked that door and dragged him out.

"Why would he run up to the car like that?" asked Alpert. "Why would he put himself in a situation to use deadly force? Why would he put his gun close enough for him to grab it?"

My issues is not that this blackman had a hidtory of traffic violations.....
My problem is that he did not have a history of ever being violent towards the Police and that the Police essentially lied to justify the shooting, by claiming this man tried to grab his gun....c`mon...
 
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But the grand jury disagreed, indicting him on a misdemeanor.

This is my 2nd year on my county's grand jury (next door to Edgefield County) We only get to true bill or no bill. Not assign a charge.
Sure the grand Jury changed the charge....
The members of the grand Jury are NOT lawyers and as such especially if they were all white or a majority would side with the Police Officer......especially in that part of the Country......

The Prosecuting attorney would NOT have sought Felony charges if they did not believe they had a case.......IMO the Grand Jury was a good ole boys grand gury!!

In Satterwhite's case, prosecutors won't say why they sought a felony charge against Craven, who chased Satterwhite for 9 miles, beyond city limits and into Edgefield County.
 
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My issues is not that this blackman had a hidtory of traffic violations.....
My problem is that he did not have a history of ever being violent towards the Police and that the Police essentially lied to justify the shooting, by claiming this man tried to grab his gun....c`mon...

Again, cops are known to shoot 1st and think about how to justify why they gunned someone down later,... so, why piss them off?

If you have the deck stacked against you, why get into the game - especially when your life is on the line?

If this was some pissant traffic cop or mall security guard, go ahead, you be your badass rule breaking authority defying self.

But, when you have someone who represents a group of people, with questionable sanity who will shoot you if they feel (be it valid or not) threatened, place the 'tude away for 15 minutes - it will save your life.
 
Sure the grand Jury changed the charge....
The members of the grand Jury are NOT lawyers and as such especially if they were all white would side with the Police Officer......especially in that part of the Country......

The Prosecuting attorney would NOT have sought Felony charges if they did not believe they had a case.......IMO the Grand Jury was a good ole boys grand gury!!
And you're deluded about our system. Also, the prosecutor could direct indict the officer if he wanted to and circumvent the gj. So there could very well be some good ole boy business going on but it didn't come from the gj.
 
And you're deluded about our system. Also, the prosecutor could direct indict the officer if he wanted to and circumvent the gj. So there could very well be some good ole boy business going on but it didn't come from the gj.
In what ways am I deluded??? Please explain?? You say the prosecutor could have...yet you fail to explain why he did not...probably due to the prosecutor being elected...which they often are.....and the prosecutor knew that to directly indict this man would win him no brownie points......

In other words it is call JOB SECURITY!!
 
Again, cops are known to shoot 1st and think about how to justify why they gunned someone down later,... so, why piss them off?

If you have the deck stacked against you, why get into the game - especially when your life is on the line?

If this was some pissant traffic cop or mall security guard, go ahead, you be your badass rule breaking authority defying self.

But, when you have someone who represents a group of people, with questionable sanity who will shoot you if they feel (be it valid or not) threatened, place the 'tude away for 15 minutes - it will save your life.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing, hello Mr. Do Nothing. Do I have to type out the whole, "And when they came for me there was no one left to protest."
 
Sure the grand Jury changed the charge...
Deluded.

yet you fail to explain why he did not.
No idea but I did say...
So there could very well be some good ole boy business going on but it didn't come from the gj.
the prosecutor knew that to directly indict this man would win him no brownie points
I never knew that was a possibility and only found out when one of my customers (that works at the court house) told me after my 1st year. So I'm guessing the general public doesn't either.


I'm not agruing with you whether it's a good or bad case. I'm telling you the gj didn't change the charge and the solicitor could have indicted the cop if he wanted to.
 
It's not illegal to lie to the police. What idiot and/or police officer told you that?


EDIT: after reading that article man wtf is wrong with people where they just let cops go on rampages and murder citizens and never charge anybody. cops can't get away with this forever, they or their future coworkers will pay in blood for every last person they kill or harass today. it goes to show that everybody should get a dash cam and a cam for the inside of their car. Never know when Fatass McShootyourface is gonna beat you for asking his badge number.
 
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Again, cops are known to shoot 1st and think about how to justify why they gunned someone down later,... so, why piss them off?

If you have the deck stacked against you, why get into the game - especially when your life is on the line?

If this was some pissant traffic cop or mall security guard, go ahead, you be your badass rule breaking authority defying self.

But, when you have someone who represents a group of people, with questionable sanity who will shoot you if they feel (be it valid or not) threatened, place the 'tude away for 15 minutes - it will save your life.

As much as it shouldn't be this way, I have to agree with you.
 
Of which, 40% goes to the attorney.
That sucks for sure. The new 33% is 40%....
As much as it shouldn't be this way, I have to agree with you.
Again, cops are known to shoot 1st and
That isn't what happened. *Not justifying the shooting*....Satterwhite refused to stop, hit a couple of cars, had multiple driving offenses, ....

Anyway, the cop should have busted out his window and tased his ass.
 
I am a law abiding citizen , but when I see a cop I get paranoid , Even at traffic checks when I know I've broke no laws. This is sad , we should feel safe in the presents of law - enforcement.
 
I am a law abiding citizen , but when I see a cop I get paranoid , Even at traffic checks when I know I've broke no laws. This is sad , we should feel safe in the presents of law - enforcement.
Personal problem. I'm 51 and I get nervous when I see blue lights. Guess I shouldn't be cooking meth in the front seat...😛

You think you should feel safe? Do the cops feel safe when they stop people? That would be a "NOPE".

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/us/boston-officer-shot/
 
I still can't figure out how it is perfectly OK to ignore / resist the British red coats in some people's minds. The outcome is rather well known; you will probably get the shit beaten out of you and/or killed.

Yes, the red coats are lunatics,.. so, what now,.. you will give them a reason to turn on to you?

Why?

What could you possibly gain from aggravating a person who will take your life,.. AND try to make it look like it is your fault afterwards? Are these people seeking martyrdom?

Go ahead and turn this onto the British (let us see how and when you'll get your perfect British military officers who have infinite patience, can dodge bullets and safely disarm someone who is threat to people,...), but a good portion of these situations comes from the victim's refusal to defuse the situation.

I might be thinkin the founding fathers would present you with a one finger salute.
 
You think you should feel safe? Do the cops feel safe when they stop people? That would be a "NOPE".

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/us/boston-officer-shot/

Which leads me to question cops' ability to correctly assess danger and understand probability. Just because they can't think for themselves and buy into the whole "everyone hates you and any traffic stop could be your last and police safety comes first" line of BS doesn't mean that the rest of us should morally be relegated to fearing them.
 
Which leads me to question cops' ability to correctly assess danger and understand probability. Just because they can't think for themselves and buy into the whole "everyone hates you and any traffic stop could be your last and police safety comes first" line of BS doesn't mean that the rest of us should morally be relegated to fearing them.
So maybe you should stop your car if a cop has blue lighted you...just maybe.


Or not and your fam can get $1.2M for your idiocy.

Edit: And put your hands on the wheel and turn on the dome light.


...?common sense....
 
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Again, cops are known to shoot 1st and think about how to justify why they gunned someone down later,... so, why piss them off?

If you have the deck stacked against you, why get into the game - especially when your life is on the line?

If this was some pissant traffic cop or mall security guard, go ahead, you be your badass rule breaking authority defying self.

But, when you have someone who represents a group of people, with questionable sanity who will shoot you if they feel (be it valid or not) threatened, place the 'tude away for 15 minutes - it will save your life.

Because, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
 
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