Office Workstation - AMD based

NickC_UK

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Any suggestions where to start.

Need to buy/built a few office workstations. Main use is simply to run Win 8.1 & Office 2013 at a reasonable speed. No need for fast graphics for gaming or anything like that.

Previously my preference has always been for AMD based machines with nVidia graphics. Problem is there seem to be so many AMD CPUs about at the moment I don't know where to start.
 

Enigmoid

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Budget?

The pentium line will easily run office tasks. From amd stay away from the kabini chips as they are for tablets. The igp in any modern processor will easily be enough.
 
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I would just go with pentium also. Only real selling point for AMD is the igpu, which is not a big advantage for the tasks you listed. Intel has better single or lightly threaded cpu performance and is more efficient.
 

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Pouring money on low end GPUs these days are a waste of money because integrated video has advanced to the point that (very many, if not all) 1080p videos play stutter-free. Buy a bunch of $300-350 machines. Buy an SSD, clone the hard drive install to the SSD(or use your own Windows image and license), and call it a day.

For AMD CPUs, the affordable ones with sufficient desktop grunt are from the Trinity/Richland gen and the latest Kaveri chips.
 

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Budget?

The pentium line will easily run office tasks. From amd stay away from the kabini chips as they are for tablets. The igp in any modern processor will easily be enough.

In the UK so working in £ but say approx $1000 for each machine hardware.
 

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Pouring money on low end GPUs these days are a waste of money because integrated video has advanced to the point that (very many, if not all) 1080p videos play stutter-free. Buy a bunch of $300-350 machines. Buy an SSD, clone the hard drive install to the SSD(or use your own Windows image and license), and call it a day.

For AMD CPUs, the affordable ones with sufficient desktop grunt are from the Trinity/Richland gen and the latest Kaveri chips.
So if we go for an AMD with integrated GPU are there native Windows 8 drivers for that GPU? Really wanted to avoid all proprietary ATI drivers if possible, they have just caused too many headaches in the past. I had intended to go for a separate nVidia graphics card but maybe the time has come to consider an AMD with integrated GPU (just so long as there are none of those bloody ATI drivers involved).

If the HDD is cloned to an SSD won't windows 8 detect the different hardware and require a new OEM license?

My other concern is with SSD having only a limited number of writes. For a workstation that is in use all day every day how long will it be before the SSD wears out? I wonder if it is possible to use an SSD as some sort of hot sector / read cache only.
 

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Are you just doing basic office tasks? If so then you can cut down the budget quite a bit. $1000 is greatly in excess for a office machine.

Windows won't be able to tell the difference. Win 7 was locked to the motherboard, windows 8 is even less locked.

A ssd will last more than long enough. If you are terribly concerned then buy a MLC drive, not a TLC drive.
 

NickC_UK

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So are there any pre-built or barebones systems which would do the job here or do we need to do a whole build from scratch?
 

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So if we go for an AMD with integrated GPU are there native Windows 8 drivers for that GPU? Really wanted to avoid all proprietary ATI drivers if possible, they have just caused too many headaches in the past. I had intended to go for a separate nVidia graphics card but maybe the time has come to consider an AMD with integrated GPU (just so long as there are none of those bloody ATI drivers involved).

If the HDD is cloned to an SSD won't windows 8 detect the different hardware and require a new OEM license?

My other concern is with SSD having only a limited number of writes. For a workstation that is in use all day every day how long will it be before the SSD wears out? I wonder if it is possible to use an SSD as some sort of hot sector / read cache only.
The concern of using SSDs stem from sudden death and flaky operation; this could be due to bad power, bad memory controller, faulty silicon, faulty firmware, etc. Memory wear is only a red herring. Flash memory wears out when data is actually written to the memory. No writes, no wear. For a computer that apparently is just using Microsoft Office, the biggest source of data writes will likely be Windows Update updates.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/samsung-ssd-840-testing-the-endurance-of-tlc-nand
As you can see in the conclusion section of the linked article, if one assumes 10 gibibytes of data are written to a 128 GB SSD per year, the estimate lifespan is about 35 years if using MLC and 11.7 years if using TLC NANd. A gibibyte is only slightly less than a gigabyte. I doubt a computer dedicated to just Microsoft Office will have even 1 GiB written to it every day.

For office tasks, installing drivers are not strictly necessary since the most people are going to do is take time off to watch 1080p Youtube. The generic Windows drivers will indeed suffice.

Intel IGPs also have a driver that is available through Windows Update.

Cloned drives will detect the change in drives in 7 and 8 but that is all that will happen. The computer will still behave like nothing has changed. OEM licenses are tied to the motherboard, not the hard drive. Indeed, making images of hard drives is a good practice because if a hard drive does break, you can use the hard drive image to restore the system to a new hard drive.

Most business pre-built offerings don't seem to offer AMD APUs. Going Intel will not be problematic from a performance standpoint; even a Pentium G3220 will outperform many dual cores from 2010 and earlier. But if AMD is the way you want to go, the Lenovo ThinkCentre M78 SFF does offer an AMD APU and Windows 8.1.
 

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Well this is what I have come up with so far, any comments:

CPU - AMD A8 6500
Mobo - Asus F2A85-V PRO
RAM - 8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600mhz)
SSD - 128GB Crucial M550 SATA III SSD, 20nm MLC-Flash
HDD - 3Tb SATA internal 3.5”
DVD - LiteOn IHAS122-14 22x DVD±R, 8x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12
PSU - 520W Seasonic Bronze S12II-520
Case - Cooler Master N300 Black Mid Tower
Monitor - 22" iiyama ProLite E2278HSD-GB1
DVI Cable
KeyB - Microsoft Wired Keyboard 400 for Business USB
Mouse - Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business

Windows 8.1 Professional, 64-bit
Microsoft Office 2013, Home & Business edition
Any thoughts or suggestion on the above?
 
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Still think you should go with a pre-built or celeron/pentium unless prices are much different than ours in the US. That apu is over 100.00 while a pentium is 60.00. You seem determined to go AMD though, so knock yourself out.

In any case, the power supply is way overkill. For an office build a good quality 350 watt unit should be more than sufficient.
 

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Why do you want win 8.1? You could buy a half dozen refurbs with win 7 pro for a grand. They would run office just fine.
 

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You could get half a dozen off lease C2D machines for 1k which are more than enough for office. Pre built Celeron or Pentiums would be even better Sandybridge+
 

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how much are dells in the UK? here you can get an inspiron with a haswell something or other (pentium usually, sometimes i3) for $400 any day of the week. gobs of ram and SSDs aren't needed for basic office machines.

RAM - 8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600mhz)
SSD - 128GB Crucial M550 SATA III SSD, 20nm MLC-Flash
HDD - 3Tb SATA internal 3.5”
PSU - 520W Seasonic Bronze S12II-520
every one of these things is vast overkill for MS office.